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RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Dan - 05 Jan 2020
Whilst on the subject of contracts, Nexus have also invited operators to tender for a number of services in May.
Tender award will be weighted as follows:
- 90% price
- 7% provision of Euro 6 or greater emissions
- 3% provision of enhanced customer experience (Wi-Fi, Next Stop Announcements, etc).
Services 68, 92, 927, 937, 93A, 83A
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, that does not exceed 8.9m in length
Services 81/82/83/84
3x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings
Services 85/86
2x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings
Service 168
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 23, that does not exceed 8.5m in length, Mon-Sat.
Service 516
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sat
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - OrangeArrow49 - 05 Jan 2020
(05 Jan 2020, 5:57 pm)Michael wrote If you know who the 13/84/84A has gone to, care to share?
The 13, I only know GCT have lost it and the 84/84A has been gained by GCT. I have also posted this in the Gateshead Central Taxis operator thread. I expect Arriva has acquired the 13 and 33/33A.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - OrangeArrow49 - 05 Jan 2020
(05 Jan 2020, 6:12 pm)Dan wrote Whilst on the subject of contracts, Nexus have also invited operators to tender for a number of services in May.
Tender award will be weighted as follows:
- 90% price
- 7% provision of Euro 6 or greater emissions
- 3% provision of enhanced customer experience (Wi-Fi, Next Stop Announcements, etc).
Services 68, 92, 927, 937, 93A, 83A
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, that does not exceed 8.9m in length
Services 81/82/83/84
3x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings
Services 85/86
2x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings
Service 168
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 23, that does not exceed 8.5m in length, Mon-Sat.
Service 516
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sat
I expect the 516 will stay with Gateshead Central Taxis, it wasn't that long ago they got it off GNE.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - OrangeArrow49 - 08 Jan 2020
Who has been awarded the 6 and 553? What has Arriva gained?
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - OrangeArrow49 - 09 Jan 2020
SERVICE SUGGESTION
Merge the 6 and 553: Regent Centre - Gosforth - Jesmond - Newcastle - Shieldfield - Walkergate - Wallsend - Battle Hill
Also notice the 553 is quicker between Wallsend and Gosforth than on the Q3, but I do like the Q3 providing a link to Newcastle Quayside for Wallsend passengers. This is why I think GNE could take on Stagecoach, and Stagecoach likewise take on GNE, just offer something different and gain some passengers on the shared corridors, like Wallsend.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - GuyParkRoyal - 02 Feb 2020
(05 Nov 2019, 5:04 pm)GuyParkRoyal wrote Nexus have issued the invitation to tender for Planned Metro Replacement Bus Services. The contract will be issued on a framework basis to several operators (maximum of 10) and will cover a period of 12 months with the option for Nexus to extend contract for upto a further 24 months.Contracts have now been awarded for the Planned Metro Rail Replacement Bus Services. The contracts are with Go North East, JH Coaches and Stagecoach.
Tenders are now being reviewed for Metro Emergency Replacement services.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Michael - 02 Feb 2020
(02 Feb 2020, 5:11 pm)GuyParkRoyal wrote Contracts have now been awarded for the Planned Metro Rail Replacement Bus Services. The contracts are with Go North East, JH Coaches and Stagecoach.
Tenders are now being reviewed for Metro Emergency Replacement services.
Stagecoach seem to be digging in to these kinda contracts lately (School, 939, Metro replacement), wonder if they're struggling on normal services?
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Dans_bus_photos - 02 Feb 2020
(02 Feb 2020, 5:20 pm)Michael wrote Stagecoach seem to be digging in to these kinda contracts lately (School, 939, Metro replacement), wonder if they're struggling on normal services?
Possibly just different management that want to try and earn some extra money with the contracted services, so have possibly reduced their overheads to win some of the contracts. Surprised Arriva haven't won any of the Metro contracts
Tender Discussion Thread - Dan - 02 Feb 2020
(02 Feb 2020, 6:12 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote Possibly just different management that want to try and earn some extra money with the contracted services, so have possibly reduced their overheads to win some of the contracts. Surprised Arriva haven't won any of the Metro contracts
Understand Arriva didn’t put in for the planned or emergency work for Metro - despite there being no obligation to provide buses for either.
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RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Adrian - 02 Feb 2020
(02 Feb 2020, 5:20 pm)Michael wrote Stagecoach seem to be digging in to these kinda contracts lately (School, 939, Metro replacement), wonder if they're struggling on normal services?I kind of understand, if there was to have been a reluctance to bid for this work.
Nexus, like with almost all contracts now, are only offering 12 months. That doesn't provide operators with much security in order to acquire or retain vehicles that may be required, should Metro come calling.
There may be an option to extend for 24, but the cards appear to be solely in the hands of Nexus there. Not many banks will give you cash to gamble...
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RE: Tender Discussion Thread - OrangeArrow49 - 03 Feb 2020
Has Go North East been awarded the 33/33A again? Who has been awarded the 13? So far only the 84/84A has changed operator in Newcastle. GCT have been awarded lots of contacts in North Tyneside.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - park5354 - 03 Feb 2020
(03 Feb 2020, 1:23 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Has Go North East been awarded the 33/33A again? Who has been awarded the 13? So far only the 84/84A has changed operator in Newcastle. GCT have been awarded lots of contacts in North Tyneside.CToG have kept it
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - park5354 - 10 Feb 2020
(05 Jan 2020, 5:46 pm)Dan wrote I understand this group of services is being put out to tender again.
Any of the services which weren't listed in my previous post have had their contracts extended.
Anyone have the new 335 contract document they could share.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - GuyParkRoyal - 01 Mar 2020
Nexus have issued the invitation to tender for Miscellaneous Workings / School Services with a contract start date of 1st September 2020 for a duration of 12 months. Euro 4 vehicles with a capacity of 44, 60 or 84 are specified.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Andreos1 - 01 Mar 2020
Another interesting opportunity to appear is this one.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - GuyParkRoyal - 05 Mar 2020
(05 Jan 2020, 6:12 pm)Dan wrote Whilst on the subject of contracts, Nexus have also invited operators to tender for a number of services in May.Four tenders were received for this procurement with the contract awarded to Central Taxis of Gateshead on a contract value of £455,628.34 excluding VAT.
Tender award will be weighted as follows:
- 90% price
- 7% provision of Euro 6 or greater emissions
- 3% provision of enhanced customer experience (Wi-Fi, Next Stop Announcements, etc).
Services 68, 92, 927, 937, 93A, 83A
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, that does not exceed 8.9m in length
Services 81/82/83/84
3x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings
Services 85/86
2x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings
Service 168
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 23, that does not exceed 8.5m in length, Mon-Sat.
Service 516
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sat
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Andreos1 - 26 Mar 2020
An interesting one has appeared on NEPO.
Would love to know what they're thinking or looking at.
Nissan? Doxford Park?
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Dan - 26 Mar 2020
(26 Mar 2020, 9:39 am)Andreos1 wrote An interesting one has appeared on NEPO.
Would love to know what they're thinking or looking at.
Nissan? Doxford Park?
I was at a conference a while back, where expansion of the Tyne & Wear Metro to Follingsby Park and onward to Nissan was discussed.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - GuyParkRoyal - 26 Mar 2020
(26 Mar 2020, 9:39 am)Andreos1 wrote An interesting one has appeared on NEPO.Part of the Metro Flow Project some information in the link below.
Would love to know what they're thinking or looking at.
Nissan? Doxford Park?
https://www.railwaygazette.com/projects-and-planning/tyne-and-wear-metro-extensions-to-be-studied/55972.article
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Michael - 11 Apr 2020
(05 Mar 2020, 8:01 am)GuyParkRoyal wrote Four tenders were received for this procurement with the contract awarded to Central Taxis of Gateshead on a contract value of £455,628.34 excluding VAT.
Are these still going ahead in May?
(01 Mar 2020, 3:50 pm)GuyParkRoyal wrote Nexus have issued the invitation to tender for Miscellaneous Workings / School Services with a contract start date of 1st September 2020 for a duration of 12 months. Euro 4 vehicles with a capacity of 44, 60 or 84 are specified.
Any news on these?, or have these been stopped too?
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Michael - 15 Jun 2020
(01 Mar 2020, 3:50 pm)GuyParkRoyal wrote Nexus have issued the invitation to tender for Miscellaneous Workings / School Services with a contract start date of 1st September 2020 for a duration of 12 months. Euro 4 vehicles with a capacity of 44, 60 or 84 are specified.
Any news on these??
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Rob44 - 15 Jun 2020
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/bus-north-east-councils-control-18396702
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Andreos1 - 15 Jun 2020
(15 Jun 2020, 12:58 pm)Rob44 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/bus-north-east-councils-control-18396702
I'm all for “adding unnecessary delays and complexity”, if it brings passengers the sort of service passengers in Reading have.
Reading Transport of course being Martijns former stomping ground and a division of Reading Council.
The levels of funding and subsidy may be higher than they've ever been, yet the operators are more than willing to do their very best Oliver Twist impression when taking it.
Dunno about you, but I'm getting a bit fed up of it.
Tender Discussion Thread - cbma06 - 15 Jun 2020
(15 Jun 2020, 12:58 pm)Rob44 wrote https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/bus-north-east-councils-control-18396702
A bit more info than just a link:
Bus bosses hit back at calls for North East councils to take control over routes and ticket prices.
Gateshead Council leader Martin Gannon complained that the bus industry has become almost entirely public-funded, but local authorities continued to have minimal say over services
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RE: Tender Discussion Thread - streetdeckfan - 15 Jun 2020
I honestly don't get what they're complaining about.
Do the councils want control over the businesses that took part in the furlough scheme as well?
Do they want part of the airlines that were also 'bailed out' during this crisis?
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Rob44 - 15 Jun 2020
why would they want part of the airlines? Do the local authorities mentioned in the news artical give money to the airlines to to fly specific routes???
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - streetdeckfan - 15 Jun 2020
(15 Jun 2020, 2:00 pm)Rob44 wrote why would they want part of the airlines? Do the local authorities mentioned in the news artical give money to the airlines to to fly specific routes???
But, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't the additional money that the bus operators have received comes from central government rather from the local councils?
So using the argument that they're receiving money from government to want control locally is a bit silly.
The councils do have control over the tendered routes, which is what they're paying for.
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Andreos1 - 17 Jun 2020
(15 Jun 2020, 2:28 pm)streetdeckfan wrote But, correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't the additional money that the bus operators have received comes from central government rather from the local councils?
So using the argument that they're receiving money from government to want control locally is a bit silly.
The councils do have control over the tendered routes, which is what they're paying for.
Nexus, Northumberland County Council and Durham County Council continue to maintain concessionary fare and tendered bus service payments to bus operators at pre-pandemic levels as a result of a government request.
This quote from Tobyn Hughes puts it in to some perspective.
“Prior to the Covid-19 crisis, 61% of funding came from passenger fares, 33% from local authorities and 6% from central government. Since the emergency funding measures were put in place, only 5% comes from passenger fares, 54% from local authorities and 42% from central government.”
Indeed, payments for the four weeks from 17 March were based on an average of the operator’s four-weekly commercial BSOG live kilometres operated in 2017/18. The DfT then used an assumed service level of 50% during the period that the first payment will cover, and the initial pence per kilometre rate, to calculate the first sum to be transferred to the operator.
Rightly or wrongly, operators have a slightly bigger begging bowl at the moment and if their network reduced in the period since 2017/18, they clicked big style
RE: Tender Discussion Thread - streetdeckfan - 17 Jun 2020
(17 Jun 2020, 11:23 am)Andreos1 wrote Nexus, Northumberland County Council and Durham County Council continue to maintain concessionary fare and tendered bus service payments to bus operators at pre-pandemic levels as a result of a government request.So they haven't actually increased the amount, it's just the fact that passenger fares have decreased has increased the proportion (and only temporarily) that local authorities contribute.
This quote from Tobyn Hughes puts it in to some perspective.
It'd be interesting to see how this proportion changes over the next few weeks with passenger numbers starting to increase
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RE: Tender Discussion Thread - Andreos1 - 17 Jun 2020
(17 Jun 2020, 11:30 am)streetdeckfan wrote So they haven't actually increased the amount, it's just the fact that passenger fares have decreased has increased the proportion (and only temporarily) that local authorities contribute.
It'd be interesting to see how this proportion changes over the next few weeks with passenger numbers starting to increase
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Does the pre-0930 acceptance of passes not lead to increased payments like?
This condition placed up on the LA's as a result of the CBSSG, is just one example of the amount increasing.