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RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - Storx - 12 Sep 2021 (11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding wrote I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routes Never seen it discussed but I'd say the reason the 22 is done is for operational reasons more than anything. The 23 wouldn't have anything to operate with since a 23 -> 24 -> 24 -> 23 would take around 5 hours. They operate on a 22 -> 23 -> 24 or vice versa. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - BusLoverMum - 12 Sep 2021 (11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding wrote I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routesThe X21 did run to Sunderland, for many years, until very recently. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - 54APhotography - 13 Sep 2021 (11 Sep 2021, 7:40 pm)Yorkshire Pudding wrote I like the "simplicity" of the 22/23/24, providing a fifteen minute service from Peterlee to Sunderland/ Durham/ Hartlepool but the 22 seems a bit of an oddity compared to the other two routesThe X21 ran hourly onwards from Peterlee to Sunderland until 2020. It used the MAN Gas buses from Darlington. The links you speak of were used less and less because of the absolute stagger that an X21 was. I doubt it will ever run beyond Peterlee again. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - Yorkshire Pudding - 13 Sep 2021 Thanks everyone - I hadn't realised that the 22/23/24 interworked or that the X21 had previously run through to Sunderland The current 22/23/24 are both pleasingly simple (providing a fifteen minute service on each side of Peterlee, quite easy for passenger to understand, providing direct links) and very frustrating (given the awkward diversions to cover what were previously "Town Services" in Peterlee) and the massive dog-leg required to get from Durham to Sunderland on Arriva (rather than the GNE 20/X20) There seem to be a number of places where routes are being chopped up to improve time keeping and also places where routes are added together to trim down the number of drivers/vehicles required and also tick a few boxes by being seen to provide a direct link (the GNE 42As from Wallsend to Kingston Park!) RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - ASX_Terranova - 15 Sep 2021 Does anyone remember the United 236/336. Were they busy? When did they stop running? Does any of the route exist today? Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - cbma06 - 16 Sep 2021 (15 Sep 2021, 4:31 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Does anyone remember the United 236/336. What was the route for the 236/336? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - ASX_Terranova - 16 Sep 2021 (16 Sep 2021, 5:34 am)cbma06 wrote What was the route for the 236/336?https://northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/item.php?id=1869 Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - cbma06 - 16 Sep 2021 (16 Sep 2021, 8:57 am)ASX_Terranova wrote https://northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/item.php?id=1869 Arriva just forcing passengers for onward travel via Durham now, all for profit now than passengers, all Arriva services south of Hartlepool were given to Stagecoach when there purchased Hartlepool transport and in turn parts of Cleveland were given to Arriva as an exchange Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - Jimmi - 16 Sep 2021 (15 Sep 2021, 4:31 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Does anyone remember the United 236/336.The Arriva 57/57A now collectively cover much of the route between Trimdon Village & Hartlepool whilst the Bishop Auckland to Ferryhill (via Coundon) leg is covered by the 56 to Durham. The route as described existed between Chilton/Ferryhill and Hartlepool in close to that form until April 2011 as service 33 when it was then diverted from Ferryhill via Bishop Middleham to replace the long standing 69 on that stretch, Chilton was still covered on service 8A from Darlington to Ferryhill (effectively current 8 route) then continue through to Hartlepool as the 33. In October 2012 when Durham County Council made more service revisions with tendered services the 33 (now 113) was cut to run Ferryhill to Sedgefield (via Fishburn) with Scarlet Band winning the contract whilst Arriva introduced the 57A from Durham to Hartlepool via the Trimdons taking the Trimdon Village to Hartlepool leg of the 33. From what I've gathered the numbers in later years were pretty mediocre between Ferryhill and Hartlepool and I think part of the 33/57A was also supported at least in part. Doubt the demand is really there to make it work as Hartlepool isn't that much of a draw these days to attract the numbers. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - col87 - 22 Sep 2021 (16 Sep 2021, 5:46 pm)Jimmi wrote The Arriva 57/57A now collectively cover much of the route between Trimdon Village & Hartlepool whilst the Bishop Auckland to Ferryhill (via Coundon) leg is covered by the 56 to Durham.Been from Hartlepool unfortunately I have to agree. The 236 or 33 in its final years was a good ride out. However having a service between two places whos town centres are slowly dying with no where of interest just a few villages in between it clearly won’t work. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - V514DFT - 15 Oct 2021 Noticed the 44 has been mentioned a few times for its link to Whitley Bay, since the 306 has been going there a few years now (clearly makes money) then what about this 306 Hazlerigg-Whitley Bay obviously it won't be the same route as the route the 44 took,possibly start it off with an hourly frequency to Hazlerigg RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - Rob44 - 15 Oct 2021 (15 Oct 2021, 6:40 pm)V514DFT wrote Noticed the 44 has been mentioned a few times for its link to Whitley Bay, since the 306 has been going there a few years now (clearly makes money) then what about this doesn't the 44 interwork with the 43 and 45. otherwise i think its a cracking idea..... they should never have changed the 44 in the fisrt place but from what i was told it was all to do with delays going through the city centre, especially on the wbay to hazlerigg route. Need to think about that oo RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - L469 YVK - 15 Oct 2021 (15 Oct 2021, 7:18 pm)Rob44 wrote doesn't the 44 interwork with the 43 and 45. otherwise i think its a cracking idea..... they should never have changed the 44 in the fisrt place but from what i was told it was all to do with delays going through the city centre, especially on the wbay to hazlerigg route. Need to think about that ooIf Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle. Could get away with using boneshakers (as long as Euro 6) as that's how GNE started out with the X21 and then if there's growth, look at newer vehicles. The big advantage ANE would have of course depending on vehicle type used would be the ability to interwork with other services in Blyth. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - Train8261 - 16 Oct 2021 (15 Oct 2021, 10:45 pm)L469 YVK wrote If Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle.It would be nice to see Arriva do some major services changes RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - peter - 16 Oct 2021 (15 Oct 2021, 10:45 pm)L469 YVK wrote If Arriva do a "big change MK3" next year (last ones in 2010, 2012) and reduce the 306 & 308 to every 20 mins each, there'd be potential scope for an X38 running every 30 mins Mon-Sat. Same route as 308 from Blyth to Coast Road / Norham Road then non stop to Newcastle. You've been making this suggestion of an X38 service for about 6 years now, and 6 years later we've still yet to see it materialise...talk about a dog with a bone! The fact that Arriva haven't made any major changes suggests network consistency is their present strategy, which I certainly can't see changing. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - PH - BQA - 16 Oct 2021 (16 Oct 2021, 12:54 am)Train8261 wrote It would be nice to see Arriva do some major services changes For what reason? To appease some enthusiasts? The current network has been quite stable for a number of years now, changing it for no reason at a time like this will only cause confusion and potentially lose passengers. Having lived in a city where the main operator changed the network frequently, Arriva's approach of stability and familiarity is far better. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - Train8261 - 16 Oct 2021 (16 Oct 2021, 1:18 am)mb134 wrote For what reason? To appease some enthusiasts?So you think the Arriva network is stable The only major network of bus routes stable is Stagecoach. They haven't made a major service change in years RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - L469 YVK - 16 Oct 2021 (16 Oct 2021, 1:13 am)peter wrote You've been making this suggestion of an X38 service for about 6 years now, and 6 years later we've still yet to see it materialise...talk about a dog with a bone! The fact that Arriva haven't made any major changes suggests network consistency is their present strategy, which I certainly can't see changing.No reason it couldn't work though. The old 44 used to get decent loadings particularly on Saturdays. If anything, a slight reduction to the 306 & 308 and the introduction of an express counterpart to the 308 would be very welcomed by punters. GNE tried it with the X21 and look where that is now. Same with the 20 & X20 more recently too with the latter now full size single decks. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - Jimmi - 16 Oct 2021 (16 Oct 2021, 1:18 am)mb134 wrote For what reason? To appease some enthusiasts?Whilst I think there is some room for improvement and new links to be made within Arriva's network, the stability of routes & timetables (until recently where cuts were made on higher frequency routes) its much more reassuring to passengers having as little changes as possible to keep things simple, feel for some of GNE's passengers where things keep changing quite dramatically in some cases that messes up everyone's travel arrangements for employment, education and leisure purposes potentially making journeys no longer possible or unattractive. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - V514DFT - 16 Oct 2021 (15 Oct 2021, 7:18 pm)Rob44 wrote doesn't the 44 interwork with the 43 and 45. otherwise i think its a cracking idea..... they should never have changed the 44 in the fisrt place but from what i was told it was all to do with delays going through the city centre, especially on the wbay to hazlerigg route. Need to think about that ooIt does,but the 44 could be left as is if the 306 was hourly (16 Oct 2021, 2:08 am)Train8261 wrote So you think the Arriva network is stableIf you look closely though Stagecoach arent as 'stable' as you think,take Newcastle for example,the last major change was 2003,when they restructured the network,now look at it,reliability issues all over the place (even before Covid),and whats SC's answer, 'we dont plan to make and route changes anytime soon',the only service they run that hasnt changed much is the 100,so that says to me they're happy with the way it is and frankly dont give a s**t about their punters and the experience(s) they have RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - PH - BQA - 16 Oct 2021 (16 Oct 2021, 2:08 am)Train8261 wrote So you think the Arriva network is stable Point me to the last big shake up of Arriva services, particularly north of the Tyne. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - ASX_Terranova - 22 Oct 2021 In Durham make a 56X or X56 that is faster between Durham, Ferryhill & Bishop Auckland. It would go Durham, Shincliffe, Bowburn then A688 to Metal Bridge, Ferryhill, Chilton, then A689 to Bishop Auckland RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - omnicity4659 - 27 Oct 2021 Just been looking into the new TransPennine Express services to/from Widdrington, and how they connect with buses to/from Ashington. I'd suggest that Arriva retime the 1525 #1 from Widdrington Station (Grange Road) to leave at 1530 instead, reaching the railway station at 1533 (previously 1528). Not only will this connect with the 1529 TPE arrival from Edinburgh and Berwick and provide connections to Ellington, Cresswell, Lynemouth and Ashington, it'll factor into account the delays the 1525 would have faced when the level crossing barriers dropped for the TPE train anyway. Using the existing bus timetable and the upcoming TPE timetable, the following bus-train connections are possible:
There are later trains, but depending on popularity of the services connecting buses could be added at a later date. I'd also suggest adding a "Ashington Bus" station option for National Rail ticketing, enabling the bus and train journeys to be done on one ticket. Essentially doing the same as what Arriva and CrossCountry have done for Belford and Seahouses from Berwick station. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - ian foster - 28 Oct 2021 (16 Oct 2021, 8:47 pm)mb134 wrote Point me to the last big shake up of Arriva services, particularly north of the Tyne.that was a huge disaster RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - omnicity4659 - 21 Dec 2021 Some suggestions for Northumberland services... 2: Blyth - Bedlington Station - Bedlington - Guide Post - Stobhill - Morpeth - Kirkhill
X20: Alnwick - Amble - Widdrington - Ashington - North Seaton - Newcastle
X21: Newcastle - Nedderton - Bedlington - Bedlington Station - Milburn Road - Ashington - Wansbeck Hospital - Newbiggin
X22: Newcastle - Bedlington - Guide Post - Stakeford - Fallowfield - Ashington
35: Morpeth - Pegswood - Ashington - North Seaton - Newbiggin - Woodhorn
43: Newcastle - Wideopen - Seaton Burn - Dudley - Cramlington - Bedlington - Morpeth
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RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - Storx - 22 Dec 2021 (21 Dec 2021, 9:54 pm)omnicity4659 wrote Some suggestions for Northumberland services... Don't think they're actually a bad idea tbf. Only missing link is Morpeth to Cramlington but not sure if it's really needed. Going to add some to cover the other side of the SE Northumberland. X7: Additionally serve Amersham Drive (Every 20 Minutes)
X8: Withdrawn, replaced by X12 and 43A.
X9: Withdrawn, replaced by 43 and 58
X10: No Change (Every 30 Mins) X11: No Change (Every 30 Mins) X12 - Newcastle -> Regent Centre -> DIRECT -> Cramlington -> High Pit -> Eastfield -> Shankhouse -> Bebside -> Blyth (Every 30 Mins)
43: Newcastle -> Regent Centre -> Dudley -> Cramlington -> Beacon Hill (Every 30 Minutes).
58: New Hartley -> East Cramlington -> High Pit -> Cramlington -> Nedderton -> East Hartford -> South Beach -> Blyth (Every 60 Minutes)
PVR's (I believe) X7/X8/X9 - 7 (14). X12 - 5 (-) 57/57A - No Change 58 - 2 (1) 43/43A - 8 (7) Positives
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RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - solsburian - 26 Dec 2021 (22 Dec 2021, 1:53 pm)Storx wrote X7: Additionally serve Amersham Drive (Every 20 Minutes) Anything like the old X36 would be good, though with the current COVID situation I can imagine such a market has more or less evaporated for the time being. With HM Government moving departments up to Darlington etc. I wonder if a Newcastle-Durham-Darlington express service would work? Perhaps it could replace the northern portion of the X12 which always seems quiet (pre pandemic too). RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - ASX_Terranova - 27 Dec 2021 What about a service between Durham & Oakenshaw. RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - L469 YVK - 28 Dec 2021 At Haymarket waiting for mate and queue for 1545 X22 is big. Could Arriva not do a 20 minute frequency between Ashington & Newcastle on Sundays & Bank Holidays (2x X21ph, 1x X22 ph)? RE: Arriva North East: Service Suggestions - omnicity4659 - 29 Dec 2021 (28 Dec 2021, 3:44 pm)L469 YVK wrote At Haymarket waiting for mate and queue for 1545 X22 is big. I think it's about time that services on Bank Holidays that aren't heavily followed run to a normal timetable. I didn't know, along with many others, that there were two Bank Holidays this week! I noticed that Arriva were duplicating certain journeys on the X21 yesterday though. |