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RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Unber43 - 08 Aug 2022
So there seems to be 23 Euro 6 E400 presumably mostly for schools, wonder if any would go to Percy Main.
Does anyone have the full list of contracts which GNE have won?
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Rapidsnap - 08 Aug 2022
The Enviro 400 are for the Heworth to South Shields Metro Replacement contract to start off with.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Unber43 - 08 Aug 2022
(08 Aug 2022, 9:36 pm)Rapidsnap wrote The Enviro 400 are for the Heworth to South Shields Metro Replacement contract to start off with.That is classed for 1 contract, so what about the other 59/60 buses going to use, atleast 50% probably are school routes, GNE are going to need A LOT more drivers.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - stagecoachbusdepot - 08 Aug 2022
(08 Aug 2022, 9:11 pm)citaro5284 wrote https://twitter.com/LondonBusWorks/status/1556743230225539072?s=20&t=SBuD69E-tnbGhirGtlcL9Q
Does anyone know what the Scania is in the background? From the reg looks like former 5244 NK56KHO but confused why it's white and seemingly with GNE logos applied
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - wibblejunior - 08 Aug 2022
That'll be 5236 (NK56 KHD).
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Rapidsnap - 08 Aug 2022
(08 Aug 2022, 9:16 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Interesting that the advertising frame extends past the first window, I don't think I've seen, or at least noticed, that before
It's a mega T advert. Stagecoach North East have a few buses with them - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/52198665993
Not all of the ex London E400s have them though.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - stagecoachbusdepot - 08 Aug 2022
(08 Aug 2022, 9:41 pm)wibblejunior wrote That'll be 5236 (NK56 KHD).
Thanks!
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - streetdeckfan - 08 Aug 2022
(08 Aug 2022, 9:43 pm)Rapidsnap wrote It's a mega T advert. Stagecoach North East have a few buses with them - https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photogenic/52198665993
Not all of the ex London E400s have them though.
Wonder if they'll conveniently turn up the day after MG leaves given his opinion on covering windows!
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Malarkey - 08 Aug 2022
(08 Aug 2022, 9:40 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Does anyone know what the Scania is in the background? From the reg looks like former 5244 NK56KHO but confused why it's white and seemingly with GNE logos applied
5236, it was repainted by Go-Ahead East Yorkshire for use by them as a Driver Trainer a few years ago before transferring back to Go North East within the last year or so.
RE: Go North East's New Enviro 400's - atlantean560 - 09 Aug 2022
(28 Jul 2022, 6:54 am)GNE6312 wrote Think that's 2 & 3 as the 1st one has logos on it afaik. I imagine they'll be alot more getting done in the next few weeks with it being the school holidays and September and the new school contracts only being afew weeks away.They have a very similar look to the Go South Coast morebus livery, not at all like GNE standard livery.
RE: Go North East's New Enviro 400's - lxbical - 09 Aug 2022
(09 Aug 2022, 3:28 pm)atlantean560 wrote They have a very similar look to the Go South Coast morebus livery, not at all like GNE standard livery.
The blue front only looks decent on ADL vehicles in my opinion
RE: Go North East's New Enviro 400's - ne14ne1 - 09 Aug 2022
(09 Aug 2022, 3:28 pm)atlantean560 wrote They have a very similar look to the Go South Coast morebus livery, not at all like GNE standard livery.
I thought they look very Morebus from the front too with the replacement panel vibe.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - ne14ne1 - 10 Aug 2022
(14 Jun 2022, 7:52 pm)ne14ne1 wrote https://flic.kr/p/2ns3SDZ
(14 Jun 2022, 7:57 pm)JP6004 wrote Ugh...keep forgetting how ugly gasket glazing is
(14 Jun 2022, 8:25 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Yeah, it looks bloody awful
They probably should have painted in between the windows black to help hide it
(14 Jun 2022, 8:50 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Agreed. Even Stagecoach North East have done it on all their repaints and their vehicles look much better for it.
So although it does look like that first one had red window frames is seems all the ones photographed recently have black frames, thankfully.
https://twitter.com/londonbusworks/status/1556743230225539072?s=21&t=3H-0pBIIqC-qoKcSFq_VMw
https://twitter.com/martijngne/status/1557402129840672773?s=21&t=3H-0pBIIqC-qoKcSFq_VMw
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Aaron21 - 10 Aug 2022
Still seems werid GNE now following the other two companies
Stagecoach & Arriva have had ADL Enviro 400&400MMC for a while now and gne seems to have jumped on the trend
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - ALavery - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 6:44 pm)Aaron21 wrote Still seems werid GNE now following the other two companies
Stagecoach & Arriva have had ADL Enviro 400&400MMC for a while now and gne seems to have jumped on the trend
I’m pretty sure stagecoach has some sort of deal with ADL? They don’t have many wright vehicles at all.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - F114TML - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 7:26 pm)ALavery wrote I’m pretty sure stagecoach has some sort of deal with ADL? They don’t have many wright vehicles at all.I think it goes further - didn't/doesn't someone really high up in Stagecoach hold shares in ADL?
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - GNE6312 - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 7:37 pm)F114TML wrote I think it goes further - didn't/doesn't someone really high up in Stagecoach hold shares in ADL?That would be Co-founder Brian Souter
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - ALavery - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 7:37 pm)F114TML wrote I think it goes further - didn't/doesn't someone really high up in Stagecoach hold shares in ADL?
Thats it I think, I remember seeing something about a deal or shares but it’s not just a coincidence that most their vehicles are from them.
Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Dan - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 6:44 pm)Aaron21 wrote Still seems werid GNE now following the other two companies
Stagecoach & Arriva have had ADL Enviro 400&400MMC for a while now and gne seems to have jumped on the trend
We’re nearing some of the last available diesel buses out of London - from 2012ish onwards, there was a big drive on hybrid buses, then electric.
Go North East have no intention of bringing further hybrids into their fleet, so it’s very much a case of take everything that’s available to reduce average fleet age and improve air quality (almost all diesel buses in London now are Euro 6).
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RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - streetdeckfan - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 8:41 pm)Dan wrote We’re nearing some of the last available diesel buses out of London - from 2012ish onwards, there was a big drive on hybrid buses, then electric.
Go North East have no intention of bringing further hybrids into their fleet, so it’s very much a case of take everything that’s available to reduce average fleet age and improve air quality (almost all diesel buses in London now are Euro 6).
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Speaking of hybrids, I take it the plan to remove the hybrid systems from the B5Hs has been put on hold?
Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Dan - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 8:44 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Speaking of hybrids, I take it the plan to remove the hybrid systems from the B5Hs has been put on hold?
I wouldn’t expect GNE to convert the rest of them until the first one manages a week in service. To date, that hasn’t happened. It’s back down at East Yorkshire for further modifications at the moment.
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RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Unber43 - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 8:44 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Speaking of hybrids, I take it the plan to remove the hybrid systems from the B5Hs has been put on hold?I feel like with 6064 being off every other month since it came back, then since January its been off, however I believe there were some photos of it on a test drive I doubt it.
However I think something was said about Hybrids being allowed in newcastle was something that could be happening due to the amount which SC have
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Rapidsnap - 10 Aug 2022
6064 hasn't been off every other month, it has been off constantly since January.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Unber43 - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 9:29 pm)Rapidsnap wrote 6064 hasn't been off every other month, it has been off constantly since January.it was off every other month when it came back, then it January like I said its been off since.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - ALavery - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 8:49 pm)Dan wrote I wouldn’t expect GNE to convert the rest of them until the first one manages a week in service. To date, that hasn’t happened. It’s back down at East Yorkshire for further modifications at the moment.
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Would it be more expensive to convert them to fully electric? It’s a possibility and that would do some good for allocating around the CAZ
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - streetdeckfan - 10 Aug 2022
(10 Aug 2022, 11:28 pm)ALavery wrote Would it be more expensive to convert them to fully electric? It’s a possibility and that would do some good for allocating around the CAZ
Given the cost of batteries, and the amount they'd need to give them a somewhat decent range, I reckon they'd be lucky to get change from £100k per bus for the conversion.
The StreetDeck Electroliner comes with a 340kWh or 450kWh battery, which would be around £50k or £70k for the battery alone. Then you've got the cost of the motor which would probably be another £10K, all the electronics to control it, the modifications to the chassis to handle the weight etc.
Plus, the problem with converting them to electric would be finding somewhere to put the batteries given the chassis wasn't designed for it.
Ideally they need to be spread evenly across the axles, and while the B5Hs do have the space at the front where the old batteries were (Lead acid I assume, so there's probably a fair bit of space), I doubt it would be enough to get any useable range out if it.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Storx - 10 Aug 2022
Is there not any reason why they can't just keep them as a hybrid or send them elsewhere where there's no LEZ (if that's the reason why). Seems a waste of money and time converting 10 year old buses especially with the hassle they're going through. I'm sure there's enough 61 plate Enviro's leaving London soon enough they can get instead if they really need more buses.
RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - ne14ne1 - 23 Aug 2022
Next two:
https://twitter.com/londonbusworks/status/1561810085332000770?s=21&t=jySYl1ztTo1UM2CY_P_IPA
Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - Tiger5105 - 26 Aug 2022
A couple of E400's have appeared at Consett
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RE: Go North East's New Ex GAL Enviro 400's - ne14ne1 - 26 Aug 2022
And Percy Main(?):
https://flic.kr/p/2nGxBQj