(16 May 2022, 12:25 pm)cbma06 wrote The 55 was always getting set up to be withdrawn when there doubled the frequency of the x1 to Peterlee, and there’s other bus services following the same corridor.

I wonder if the proposed 24 is standalone service, I would of thought that the 26 would of been better extended from shields to Sunderland on the 20 route, would of opened up new connections without change of bus, or extending the 60 or 61 to shields


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(16 May 2022, 12:30 pm)Chris 1 wrote Quite a brutal list there, though remains to be seen which proposals don't materialise following discussions with Nexus/Local Authorities.

(16 May 2022, 12:35 pm)MurdnunoC wrote I think the splitting of the 20 is the most amusing change.

 For years, GNE tried to convince passengers that the long established 35 (or 535/536 in its previous form) was no good and customers would be better served by extending the 20 to South Shields. IiRC, this was rejected by passengers a few times when consulted, only for GNE to force the change through when that particular avenue was exhausted. So now what do they propose? To split the 20 into two different services. I guess extending the 20 wasn't the best option after all ?? 

(16 May 2022, 12:32 pm)Andreos1 wrote Nexus and DCC are being thrown over the barrel by GNE here.
Do they bail out a failing private operator unable to do anything other than cut, curtail and repaint or do they look at alternatives?

(16 May 2022, 12:52 pm)Wybus wrote Maybe Gateshead Central Taxis would win any new tenders? When that happens that usually goes down well here

I’m guessing that GNE are under pressure from head office as many of these new brands have barely been given chance to succeed, they haven’t even had a full normal post-Covid year to let passenger volumes increase.

(16 May 2022, 12:56 pm)DeltaMan wrote Isn't it more an issue that GNE have a load of new buses bought just before and delivered just before the pandemic and passenger numbers nationally havent returned to 100%, hence a shortfall? 

I notice ANE and SNE have not as yet made the same amount of changes and they have older buses.

(16 May 2022, 12:56 pm)Wybus wrote Interesting they chose to announce the service cuts today after the feel good open day yesterday!

(16 May 2022, 12:35 pm)MurdnunoC wrote I think the splitting of the 20 is the most amusing change.

For years, GNE tried to convince passengers that the long established 35 (or 535/536 in its previous form) was no good and customers would be better served by extending the 20 to South Shields. IiRC, this was rejected by passengers a few times when consulted, only for GNE to force the change through when that particular avenue was exhausted. So now what do they propose? To split the 20 into two different services. I guess extending the 20 wasn't the best option after all ??

(16 May 2022, 1:10 pm)Rob44 wrote ! see the 1 is returning to wreckton. Bit like when the rook returns to ( fill in here with wherever the event is)
Ive filled in the form but doubt will do any good.  Never though i'd say this but id rather GCT got nexus contract than this bunch of cowboys. HOW MUCH THEY SPENT ON PAINT AGAIN?  Shocking

(16 May 2022, 1:22 pm)Unber43 wrote No real service between Sunderland and Peterlee other 1 hour express people will defo be going back to their cars

(16 May 2022, 1:08 pm)Andreos1 wrote You're looking at an operator who has stagnated and not evolved to suit changing needs.

(16 May 2022, 1:08 pm)Andreos1 wrote Undoubtedly the pandemic has played a part. But this fall in numbers isn't a new thing.
The pandemic is something easy to attach the blame to.

You're looking at an operator who has stagnated and not evolved to suit changing needs.
Cutting an early morning run or the back end of a route doesn't increase numbers and doesn't take in to account the changes in where passengers want to go.

(16 May 2022, 1:41 pm)Wybus wrote Can you explain what this actually means?

Surely the changing needs, are that customers have less of a need to use the bus, rather than a specific new need?

What is this new obvious requirement that they are missing out on? 

(16 May 2022, 2:00 pm)Andreos1 wrote The evolution of business parks and retail parks happened well before the pandemic. Yet what sort of public transport offer do we see to these areas? Either before the pandemic started or since? 

How easy is it to get from Birtley to Team Valley for work or retail? They're literally 1 or 2 junctions apart, but a trip out on public transport involves heading off in the wrong direction.
Ditto Washington. 

How many buses bypass Newcastle Business Park or Quorum? But go straight in to the City Centre? 

How easy is it to get from Howdon to Cobalt using the bus?

You've had people cut off from hospital appointments because the 25 needed to be sent via Harlow Green. Now those same people potentially don't have a bus service at all.

There's slip roads being improved at Seaton and Doxford International. They're one junction apart on the A19. But people couldn't get a bus prior to the pandemic and certainly can't now. 

Millions spent improving traffic flows at Testos and Silverlink. Not because of bus lanes and the upsurge in demand for public transport. But for cars needing to get from A-B, without having to go via X, Y and Z.

These aren't new, obvious things. They're things which are needed and have been ignored for decades.

(16 May 2022, 2:10 pm)Ambassador wrote I think there's something to the areas that we're seeing massive changes too. All of these are areas where massive new build estates have been popping up over a number of years (Birtley, Hebburn, Ouston and many other areas) that are designed for car owners, approved by planners without a single thought of providing any form of public transport outside of the existing network (which in the case of Birtley near 4 massive new build estates they are axing the 25 and 82)

on the changes -
GNE are essentially cutting off Kibblesworth and Ouston with the demise of the 28s - who'd have thought the long meandering never ending route to town (with exception of the 28) and the awful terminus point at Market Street wouldn't grow numbers?

Nexus will no doubt step in to save Kibblesworth but with Ouston you could easily extend the 34 down into Birtley (like the old 734) to maintain links and flog a few 'piece of cake' tickets

Why send the 1 back to Wrekenton to the no doubt detriment of passengers down route.