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RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 14 Aug 2022
Here's a potentially unpopular opinion, no service needs a frequency higher than 30 minutes.
The only reasons to have a higher frequency is to increase capacity, or if it's providing a direct link between two interchanges ie. between Metrocentre and Gateshead or Newcastle.
IMO, a single decker operation with a frequency higher than 30 minutes is a waste, it should be upgraded to a decker before they increase the frequency. Obviously in cases like the 49 where there's a low bridge on the route I can make exceptions. But other than that, I can't see any valid reason.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 14 Aug 2022
(14 Aug 2022, 10:59 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Here's a potentially unpopular opinion, no service needs a frequency higher than 30 minutes.Doesn't a higher frequency really make people more want to use the bus?
The only reasons to have a higher frequency is to increase capacity, or if it's providing a direct link between two interchanges ie. between Metrocentre and Gateshead or Newcastle.
IMO, a single decker operation with a frequency higher than 30 minutes is a waste, it should be upgraded to a decker before they increase the frequency. Obviously in cases like the 49 where there's a low bridge on the route I can make exceptions. But other than that, I can't see any valid reason.
e.g my friend uses the 20, well used to however when it went to every 15 mins they just stopped and starting getting the car. I feel like every 12-20 mins is what most buses should run at, also with double deckers on evenings when buses are at less capacity they will waste more money on double deckers with the fuel.
I don't know I just feel like less often a bus is the more that people wouldn’t want to wait for it, I know I would be the same.
(14 Aug 2022, 10:32 pm)Storx wrote He's only moaning as he wants a 30 minute service to his house in Hadrian Park. I'd be glad for an hourly service when there's plenty of places similar to Hadrian Park which are awkward loops which aren't exactly picking up hundreds of passengers like Eighton Banks which have no service at all.Maybe, however he does have a point, nobody wants to wait 50 mins in the dark especially coming to Winter GNE could be a bit better at timings.
The rest is irrational ie moving the service back 30 minutes, people would just have to wait 50 minutes to go to Newcastle instead... Not that I can imagine there's exactly many (if any) of people going to Seaton Sluice and Blyth, the 54 covering to Whitley at 29 mins past.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - L469 YVK - 15 Aug 2022
(14 Aug 2022, 10:32 pm)Storx wrote He's only moaning as he wants a 30 minute service to his house in Hadrian Park. I'd be glad for an hourly service when there's plenty of places similar to Hadrian Park which are awkward loops which aren't exactly picking up hundreds of passengers like Eighton Banks which have no service at all.Hadrian Park definitely doesn't need a half hourly service during the evenings. But pre Jan 2020 (before the 311), this is what operated:
The rest is irrational ie moving the service back 30 minutes, people would just have to wait 50 minutes to go to Newcastle instead... Not that I can imagine there's exactly many (if any) of people going to Seaton Sluice and Blyth, the 54 covering to Whitley at 29 mins past.
309 ex Newcastle:
19:45, 20:45, 21:45, 22:50 (last one W.Bay only)
310 ex Newcastle:
20:15, 21:15, 22:20, 23:20
* Last 3 via Hadrian Park when 57 was Wardley to NCL only after 20:30
309 ex Blyth:
19:40, 20:40, 21:47
Cobalt @ 20:16, 21:16, 22:21
310 ex North Shields:
19:30, 20:30, 21:30, 22:30, 23:30
* Both 21:30 and 22:30 via Hadrian Park, 23:30 to Norham Road only
To sort it out, this is all GNE need to do:
309 ex Newcastle:
19:49, 20:49, 21:55*, 22:55*
* to W.Bay Cemetery only
310 ex Newcastle:
19:25, 20:22, 21:22, 22:25, 23:30*
* to Norham Road / Verne Road only
309 ex Blyth:
19:39, 20:50, 22:40*
* from W.Bay Cemetery only
310 ex North Shields:
19:29, 20:29, 21:29, 22:06*, 23:11**
* Operates via A191 New York Road and Cobalt Park, omits Hadrian Park and High Farm
* * To Norham Road only
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Adrian - 15 Aug 2022
(14 Aug 2022, 10:59 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Here's a potentially unpopular opinion, no service needs a frequency higher than 30 minutes.
The only reasons to have a higher frequency is to increase capacity, or if it's providing a direct link between two interchanges ie. between Metrocentre and Gateshead or Newcastle.
IMO, a single decker operation with a frequency higher than 30 minutes is a waste, it should be upgraded to a decker before they increase the frequency. Obviously in cases like the 49 where there's a low bridge on the route I can make exceptions. But other than that, I can't see any valid reason.
I'd have agreed with you at one time, but I'd disagree now. At one time, somewhere like Old Durham Road in Gateshead had dozens of express services going down, between there and Newcastle, giving a combined frequency of every 10 minutes or so, but the individual services would be hourly/half hourly at best and branched off after the Galleries. So the main corridor was well-served and the fringe areas had a decent level of service.
If you do that now, then you end up bottlenecking the main corridor with people from Newcastle towards Wrekenton or Washington, leaving those further afield with a wait for the next one. As we've seen when there's been X1s missing or a Sunday timetable implemented on a Saturday.
Even services like the 4 in Washington worked similar. Core service between Heworth and Washington, but several variants covered and various terminus points after the Galleries.
(15 Aug 2022, 2:45 am)L469 YVK wrote Hadrian Park definitely doesn't need a half hourly service during the evenings. But pre Jan 2020 (before the 311), this is what operated:
309 ex Newcastle:
19:45, 20:45, 21:45, 22:50 (last one W.Bay only)
310 ex Newcastle:
20:15, 21:15, 22:20, 23:20
* Last 3 via Hadrian Park when 57 was Wardley to NCL only after 20:30
309 ex Blyth:
19:40, 20:40, 21:47
Cobalt @ 20:16, 21:16, 22:21
310 ex North Shields:
19:30, 20:30, 21:30, 22:30, 23:30
* Both 21:30 and 22:30 via Hadrian Park, 23:30 to Norham Road only
To sort it out, this is all GNE need to do:
309 ex Newcastle:
19:49, 20:49, 21:55*, 22:55*
* to W.Bay Cemetery only
310 ex Newcastle:
19:25, 20:22, 21:22, 22:25, 23:30*
* to Norham Road / Verne Road only
309 ex Blyth:
19:39, 20:50, 22:40*
* from W.Bay Cemetery only
310 ex North Shields:
19:29, 20:29, 21:29, 22:06*, 23:11**
* Operates via A191 New York Road and Cobalt Park, omits Hadrian Park and High Farm
* * To Norham Road only
So you want the last bus to Blyth to be at 20:49 from the town, and the same coming the other way? Who benefits from the service you're proposing to take away from Blyth?
Also, where do you propose to turn a bus around at Whitley Bay Cemetery?
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - MurdnunoC - 15 Aug 2022
(14 Aug 2022, 11:09 pm)Unber43 wrote Doesn't a higher frequency really make people more want to use the bus?
e.g my friend uses the 20, well used to however when it went to every 15 mins they just stopped and starting getting the car. I feel like every 12-20 mins is what most buses should run at, also with double deckers on evenings when buses are at less capacity they will waste more money on double deckers with the fuel.
I don't know I just feel like less often a bus is the more that people wouldn’t want to wait for it, I know I would be the same.
No. I'd argue a higher frequency does not make more people want to use a bus. Why would it? If you're using your car to get to work then you're probably going to continue to use your car as it offers more utility than the bus. The only way that might change is if public transport was either cheap or free; then that might convince people to leave the car at home and accept a longer, less convenient journey.
In the example you've provided, you're friend, presumably a bus user, decided to use car because the frequency of their was reduced from, I'm guessing every ten minutes to every fifteen minutes? Now, I don't know the particulars of your friend, but why were they using the bus to begin with? Did they have already have a car? Have they recently passed their driving test? Ditching the bus because the frequency has been reduced from six (or five, if every twelve minutes) to four buses an hour seems a little bit whimsical as having a bus every fifteen minutes is still a decent frequency, in my opinion. Reading between the lines, there seems to be more which has influenced their decision to take the car instead.
(15 Aug 2022, 9:43 am)Adrian wrote So you want the last bus to Blyth to be at 20:49 from the town, and the same coming the other way? Who benefits from the service you're proposing to take away from Blyth?
Also, where do you propose to turn a bus around at Whitley Bay Cemetery?
Don't understand that either, plus, on another note, who are all these people who are still working in Cobalt at 11pm? The bulk of people who work there are away by 6pm, hence why it is a pinchpoint for traffic around that time.
On the second point, buses used to terminate at Whitley Bay Cemetery regularly. However, it is not really possible now as the road layout as changed and I'm not sure the caravan park (another old terminus) would want buses in and out of the site late at night.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Adrian - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 10:01 am)MurdnunoC wrote No. I'd argue a higher frequency does not make more people want to use a bus. Why would it? If you're using your car to get to work then you're probably going to continue to use your car as it offers more utility than the bus. The only way that might change is if public transport was either cheap or free; then that might convince people to leave the car at home and accept a longer, less convenient journey.
In the example you've provided, you're friend, presumably a bus user, decided to use car because the frequency of their was reduced from, I'm guessing every ten minutes to every fifteen minutes? Now, I don't know the particulars of your friend, but why were they using the bus to begin with? Did they have already have a car? Have they recently passed their driving test? Ditching the bus because the frequency has been reduced from six (or five, if every twelve minutes) to four buses an hour seems a little bit whimsical as having a bus every fifteen minutes is still a decent frequency, in my opinion. Reading between the lines, there seems to be more which has influenced their decision to take the car instead.
I'd say journey time is a more important factor than cheap (or frequency, for that matter)
Go North East pretty much reduced all their fares last Summer for an extended period of time, to a point where some on here were arguing that they were too cheap. Irrespective of that, it hasn't done much to encourage people back on board, as we're still told passenger levels are still only around 80% of pre-pandemic levels.
No one with access to a car, in their right mind, is going to commute to Durham on the 50 for example. It now takes 50 minutes from Washington to Durham, and 25 of that is spent getting from Washington to Chester-le-Street, via a route that could have only been devised by giving a toddler some crayons and a map.
(15 Aug 2022, 10:01 am)MurdnunoC wrote Don't understand that either, plus, on another note, who are all these people who are still working in Cobalt at 11pm? The bulk of people who work there are away by 6pm, hence why it is a pinchpoint for traffic around that time.
On the second point, buses used to terminate at Whitley Bay Cemetery regularly. However, it is not really possible now as the road layout as changed and I'm not sure the caravan park (another old terminus) would want buses in and out of the site late at night.
They'd have to go up to Seaton Sluice now, which seems a bit of a waste to turn a bus around.
I can't see Whitley Bay Cemetery needing more than a skeleton service, to be honest...
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - MurdnunoC - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 10:13 am)Adrian wrote I'd say journey time is a more important factor than cheap (or frequency, for that matter)
Go North East pretty much reduced all their fares last Summer for an extended period of time, to a point where some on here were arguing that they were too cheap. Irrespective of that, it hasn't done much to encourage people back on board, as we're still told passenger levels are still only around 80% of pre-pandemic levels.
No one with access to a car, in their right mind, is going to commute to Durham on the 50 for example. It now takes 50 minutes from Washington to Durham, and 25 of that is spent getting from Washington to Chester-le-Street, via a route that could have only been devised by giving a toddler some crayons and a map.
Yes, which why I said the utility the car offers is far more important than frequency. You could up the frequency of the 50 to every five minutes, but if the journey time to Durham is fifty minutes compared to a twenty-minute journey by car, then I can't see many people wanting to switch, irrespective of frequency.
Also, utility takes into account other things which aren't really possible by bus nowadays. For example, on your way home from work, you can use your car to go shopping; or pick up a click and collect order from a supermarket en-route.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Storx - 15 Aug 2022
(14 Aug 2022, 10:59 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Here's a potentially unpopular opinion, no service needs a frequency higher than 30 minutes.
The only reasons to have a higher frequency is to increase capacity, or if it's providing a direct link between two interchanges ie. between Metrocentre and Gateshead or Newcastle.
IMO, a single decker operation with a frequency higher than 30 minutes is a waste, it should be upgraded to a decker before they increase the frequency. Obviously in cases like the 49 where there's a low bridge on the route I can make exceptions. But other than that, I can't see any valid reason.
Disagree with that personally, depending on the route. imo a 15/20 minute service single decker operation is better than a 30 minute double decker operation because of timings.
Say if some bus is 27 and 57 per hour and someone clocks off at 00 the hour they've got a 25 minute wait every day, 5 days a week that's 2.5 hours wasted doing nothing. Wherever that is there's always going to be someone impacted by that. If it's the same going the opposite direction in the morning it's now upto 4 hours or so.
Once you get to 15/20 minutes then I'd agree as there's very little difference between a 15 and 20 minute wait or 12 and 15 minute wait really.
It all depends on the route though, as routes splitting out at the end like the X21/X22, 43/44/45, X10/X11 is better than the 21 being every 10 minutes and everyone 5 minutes off the route having to travel on slow routes via everywhere.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Storx - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 2:45 am)L469 YVK wrote Hadrian Park definitely doesn't need a half hourly service during the evenings. But pre Jan 2020 (before the 311), this is what operated:
309 ex Newcastle:
19:45, 20:45, 21:45, 22:50 (last one W.Bay only)
310 ex Newcastle:
20:15, 21:15, 22:20, 23:20
* Last 3 via Hadrian Park when 57 was Wardley to NCL only after 20:30
309 ex Blyth:
19:40, 20:40, 21:47
Cobalt @ 20:16, 21:16, 22:21
310 ex North Shields:
19:30, 20:30, 21:30, 22:30, 23:30
* Both 21:30 and 22:30 via Hadrian Park, 23:30 to Norham Road only
To sort it out, this is all GNE need to do:
309 ex Newcastle:
19:49, 20:49, 21:55*, 22:55*
* to W.Bay Cemetery only
310 ex Newcastle:
19:25, 20:22, 21:22, 22:25, 23:30*
* to Norham Road / Verne Road only
309 ex Blyth:
19:39, 20:50, 22:40*
* from W.Bay Cemetery only
310 ex North Shields:
19:29, 20:29, 21:29, 22:06*, 23:11**
* Operates via A191 New York Road and Cobalt Park, omits Hadrian Park and High Farm
* * To Norham Road only
See personally if the operators are all working altogether and there was a ticket for the 309/310/311/306/308/54(Blyth to Cobalt only)
I'd do this instead or as close as possible because of timetabling reasons:
Leaving Newcastle
Last 309: 20:37
310: 20:57, 21:57, 22:57
311: 21:27, 22:27, 23:27
308: 21:12, 22:12, 23:12
306: 21:42, 22:42, 23:42
54: 20:45, 21:45, 22:45 (last 2 54's extended to Blyth to compensate for the loss of 309 and to get back to the depot)
Routes:
310, omits Hadrian Park but additionally does the whole Cobalt loop
311, extended from Hadrian Park to Northumberland Park via 309 route to Village then direct to Northumberland Park to compensate for the lack of the 19 at night.
Arguably having the 54 running extra boards would offer more connections than having the 309 duplicating the 308 pretty much through Seaton Sluice etc and you've now got the 19 running all night (last bus is currently 8pm'ish)
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Ambassador - 15 Aug 2022
There isn't demand or the need for a half hourly service to meet demand from a business park of an evening where the vast majority are working 1-2 days a week from the office.
The current peaks with the X39 are well loaded and are all that's needed in reality - its one area I can't criticise GNE in - the X39 is reliable and well patronised. It meets a need.
If someone was missing a bus and waiting an hour - my advice would be - speak to your manager - see if it is possible for you to work 10 minutes at the start of your shift or ten minutes off lunch to finish to allow you to catch a bus. It's a policy that I have in place for all of our Colleagues and it's not abused and it works well.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 10:01 am)MurdnunoC wrote No. I'd argue a higher frequency does not make more people want to use a bus. Why would it? If you're using your car to get to work then you're probably going to continue to use your car as it offers more utility than the bus. The only way that might change is if public transport was either cheap or free; then that might convince people to leave the car at home and accept a longer, less convenient journey.They were using the bus because it was quite often every 10 mins, so they could basically turn up and go, however now its every 15 mins, the 20's when they were using them were constantly late, it wasn't so bad if the 20 was late cos there would be another one in 10 mins, but you you have to wait 30 mins, they did have a license the reduction pushed them to get a car. I do agree every 15 mins is a decent frequency but for other service its a reduction the 20 went from 6>4 buses per hour in 2 years that's a 90 seat reduction a 15 min frequency is only good if your route has been like that forever e.g 61. I'm pretty sure I saw people complain that the X1 was being reduced to every 15 mins people were complaining of the frequency
In the example you've provided, you're friend, presumably a bus user, decided to use car because the frequency of their was reduced from, I'm guessing every ten minutes to every fifteen minutes? Now, I don't know the particulars of your friend, but why were they using the bus to begin with? Did they have already have a car? Have they recently passed their driving test? Ditching the bus because the frequency has been reduced from six (or five, if every twelve minutes) to four buses an hour seems a little bit whimsical as having a bus every fifteen minutes is still a decent frequency, in my opinion. Reading between the lines, there seems to be more which has influenced their decision to take the car instead.
For me its about the convenience of bus the frequency, price and length, for me no service should be any less than every 30 mins Monday-Sat Daytime and they must have an evening/sunday service.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Aaron21 - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 9:43 am)Adrian wrote I'd have agreed with you at one time, but I'd disagree now. At one time, somewhere like Old Durham Road in Gateshead had dozens of express services going down, between there and Newcastle, giving a combined frequency of every 10 minutes or so, but the individual services would be hourly/half hourly at best and branched off after the Galleries. So the main corridor was well-served and the fringe areas had a decent level of service.They do that anyway. They turn around at the Roundabout near the Holiday Park
If you do that now, then you end up bottlenecking the main corridor with people from Newcastle towards Wrekenton or Washington, leaving those further afield with a wait for the next one. As we've seen when there's been X1s missing or a Sunday timetable implemented on a Saturday.
Even services like the 4 in Washington worked similar. Core service between Heworth and Washington, but several variants covered and various terminus points after the Galleries.
So you want the last bus to Blyth to be at 20:49 from the town, and the same coming the other way? Who benefits from the service you're proposing to take away from Blyth?
Also, where do you propose to turn a bus around at Whitley Bay Cemetery?
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 15 Aug 2022
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/service-changes-3-september HOLY
How many of these "temporary" changes are going to be permanent, shock GNE can't get enough staff for all the stupid school routes and metro routes which they are running.
39A/B & 60, 65 are going to massively struggle especially the 65 whenever I see that its rammed hopefully deckers will be allocated.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - MurdnunoC - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 11:57 am)Unber43 wrote They were using the bus because it was quite often every 10 mins, so they could basically turn up and go, however now its every 15 mins, the 20's when they were using them were constantly late, it wasn't so bad if the 20 was late cos there would be another one in 10 mins, but you you have to wait 30 mins, they did have a license the reduction pushed them to get a car. I do agree every 15 mins is a decent frequency but for other service its a reduction the 20 went from 6>4 buses per hour in 2 years that's a 90 seat reduction a 15 min frequency is only good if your route has been like that forever e.g 61. I'm pretty sure I saw people complain that the X1 was being reduced to every 15 mins people were complaining of the frequency
For me its about the convenience of bus the frequency, price and length, for me no service should be any less than every 30 mins Monday-Sat Daytime and they must have an evening/sunday service.
So they had a licence, but no car? Have they ever owned a car? How old is your friend? The reason I ask is because, if they're the same age as you (early-to-mid twenties, I'm presuming), then owning a car was probably always an ambition of theirs, long-term, otherwise what would be the point of taking your test? I have friends who have never owned a car because they've never taking their driving test, but I can't think of one person whom I know who has passed their test but has never owned a car. Also, I know people who have been previous car owners, but not one who has chosen to get rid of their car voluntarily.
September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 15 Aug 2022
I think they're fairly sensible changes tbh.
Great to hear they're changing the QAQB back to just the Q3, I hope whoever came up with that name has been given the sack!
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RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:17 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I think they're fairly sensible changes tbh.Im glad to hear that too. However I wouldn't call them all sensible it means Durham road capacity has been halved in 6 weeks. 39/39B which do get okay passenger numbers has been slashed. 60/65 which are notoriously quite busy. I can't see why the haven't reduced the X66 to 15 mins, the 8's been reduced to hourly. Who wants an hourly service no one.
Great to hear they're changing the QAQB back to just the Q3, I hope whoever came up with that name has been given the sack!
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Its a step back in customer confidence. THis is all because of the stupid school routes GNE should not be able to bid for services if they can't run their normal services without any frequency reduction.
Any guesses which ones are permanent? How long are these temporary changes permanent? "Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution"
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - KingSlayerRBLX - 15 Aug 2022
Did not expect to see the X20 to be temporarily withdrawn. Another X-Lines down the drain :|
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:28 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote Did not expect to see the X20 to be temporarily withdrawn. Another X-Lines down the drain :|But, but its only temporary and like all other GNE temporary withdraws/frequency changes it will permanent.
i must say I am absolutely sick of GNE im getting my license.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - KingSlayerRBLX - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:29 pm)Unber43 wrote But, but its only temporary and like all other GNE temporary withdraws/frequency changes it will permanent.Yeah, X22 same thing and never came back.
X20 was a nice route!
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Jack Gill - 15 Aug 2022
Most of these changes I think are a "good" move. I personally can't see the X20 returning after this, and them sticking with the 20/20A and just eventually in future increasing the frequency of these. At least with these changes there shouldn't be much cancellations (although that was said with the last changes and it's still been bad) and hopefully the changes what are "temporary" do go back to their original timetable once GNE are a bit more stable.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:31 pm)KingSlayerRBLX wrote Yeah, X22 same thing and never came back.Wonder if 10/53/54/60/39B/A will come back to every 10/12/15 mins. I doubt it, 53/54/60/65/39A/B. 39A/B should get the X20 buses, with the 65 getting deckers.
X20 was a nice route!
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Jack Gill - 15 Aug 2022
It is a shame to see the 10/A/B reduced to every 15 minutes, these services are always busy.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:29 pm)Unber43 wrote But, but its only temporary and like all other GNE temporary withdraws/frequency changes it will permanent.So you constantly post about the short notice cancellations, complaining that there's too many.
i must say I am absolutely sick of GNE im getting my license.
They introduce a temporary timetable to alleviate it and whinge even more.
Christ, why don't you either magic up some drivers, or just be quiet for a bit!
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RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:34 pm)streetdeckfan wrote So you constantly post about the short notice cancellations, complaining that there's too many.Any cancellation is too many, but they haven't been that bad especially around Deptford & Riverside only a few per day. Its Washington which is bad.
They introduce a temporary timetable to alleviate it and whinge even more.
Christ, why don't you either magic up some drivers, or just be quiet for a bit!
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Also GNE were magically getting loads of drivers, this reduction is for the upcoming contracts and nothing else, when does the Metro Flow project finish? We will probably see some increased frequency’s there as GNE rip drivers from local routes for contracts?
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - MurdnunoC - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:34 pm)streetdeckfan wrote So you constantly post about the short notice cancellations, complaining that there's too many.
They introduce a temporary timetable to alleviate it and whinge even more.
Christ, why don't you either magic up some drivers, or just be quiet for a bit!
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Once he gets his licence, he may give up buses for good.
If that's the case, there's no real reason for him to post here anymore as he won't be affected by anything he whinges about it.
Feel sorry for the owners forum for whatever car he chooses to buy though.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 15 Aug 2022
Instead of the X20 from Sunderland to Doxford why don't they just bring in a new service X39 Sunderland - Doxford in peak times it would make more sense.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - streetdeckfan - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:37 pm)MurdnunoC wrote Once he gets his licence, he may give up buses for good.Having visited a few owners forums in the past, I'd say he's fit right in!
If that's the case, there's no real reason for him to post here anymore as he won't be affected by anything he whinges about it.
Feel sorry for the owners forum for whatever car he chooses to buy though.
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RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Wybus - 15 Aug 2022
How many different big batches of service changes have they had now since the ‘Buses fit for the future’ brochure was published?
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - busmanT - 15 Aug 2022
(15 Aug 2022, 12:32 pm)Jack Gill wrote Most of these changes I think are a "good" move. I personally can't see the X20 returning after this, and them sticking with the 20/20A and just eventually in future increasing the frequency of these. At least with these changes there shouldn't be much cancellations (although that was said with the last changes and it's still been bad) and hopefully the changes what are "temporary" do go back to their original timetable once GNE are a bit more stable.The problem with reducing frequency is that each remaining bus gets busier, which makes the drivers job harder. Also as each bus is busier journeys need more running and layover time (to cope with the extra time it takes to load and unload a busier bus) but GNE rarely increase these.
RE: September 2022 Service Changes - Unber43 - 15 Aug 2022
65 will struggle with reliability they are regularly 15-25 mins late during the day M-S.