(16 Jun 2026, 9:08 am)tvd wrote I wonder if Arriva North East and Arriva Yorkshire are missing a trick by not jointly running a service to compete with Transdev's 840 from Leeds to Whitby?

The first 840 from Whitby doesn't leave until 11:15, meaning a day out in York or Leeds is not really possible.  There's also limited journeys throughout the day and early finishes.

If Arriva used one bus from Whitby, and one from perhaps Selby depot, they could work something that gave an earlier departure and later last bus to/from Whitby.  They could run a similar route or make it a bit quicker, going to York & Leeds or even just York & Selby.

With the popularity of tourist travel to the coast, I'm surprised Arriva haven't considered something like this.

(16 Jun 2026, 9:08 am)tvd wrote I wonder if Arriva North East and Arriva Yorkshire are missing a trick by not jointly running a service to compete with Transdev's 840 from Leeds to Whitby?

The first 840 from Whitby doesn't leave until 11:15, meaning a day out in York or Leeds is not really possible.  There's also limited journeys throughout the day and early finishes.

If Arriva used one bus from Whitby, and one from perhaps Selby depot, they could work something that gave an earlier departure and later last bus to/from Whitby.  They could run a similar route or make it a bit quicker, going to York & Leeds or even just York & Selby.

With the popularity of tourist travel to the coast, I'm surprised Arriva haven't considered something like this.

(17 Jun 2026, 7:47 pm)HarryHarry wrote As far as im aware there are currently no Arriva's in Sunderland , few ideas.
79-Replace Already existing route X1 to Doxford park but go A19 way and then turn left to go through Seaham way to Doxford.
21-Extended 20 Service across Hylton Grange Interchange up to Boldon ASDA.
X25-Kind of Like X24 but into Washington up into the Team Valley and into Newcastle.
X2- Express-Sunderland East End-Whitburn Rackly Way turning circle but would not run School Morning Times due to the Turning circle being right next to Whitburn Academy.
558A-558 Extended Into Sunderland Stockton Road Or Park Lane Interchange
A19-Follows A19 from Sunderland Park Lane Coach Station-Hartlepool Interchange (runs every hour)
S1-Sunderland Fawcett to Roker Marina.

Thats All

(16 Jun 2026, 9:25 am)tyresmoke wrote Think you’ve answered your own question there… the passenger flow is primarily towards the coast which Transdev cater for. The section between Whitby & Malton is council supported (possibly just in the winter) suggesting it’s not a goldmine.

(18 Jun 2026, 6:36 am)HarryHarry wrote South Shields Arriva Buses
There ae no buses Arriva in South Shields
12-South Shields To Cleadon Park Terminal Runs every Half Hour and after 6:30 PM limits route to Redwell Lane , VIA Horsley Hill Square
12A-South Shields To The Lonnen Runs every hour untill 10:00 PM VIA Lizard Lane
X19 South Shields-Washington Galleries Runs every 15 minutes until 23:45 VIA Boldon ASDA Waterview Park and Concord

(18 Jun 2026, 6:36 am)tvd wrote Yes, but those passengers do need to return from the coast.  An earlier departure from Whitby and tweaking the route would open up a possibility for new passengers too. 

I’m just surprised they’ve never given it a go, same as they’ve never tried running south of Scarborough to serve the holiday parks or Bridlington in summer.
When the X94 was introduced some years ago, it was a success (albeit only a variation of the X93), but it does show its worth giving something new a try.

(18 Jun 2026, 12:19 pm)Storx wrote Imo if your looking at buses to down Whitby way I'd be looking at restoring the X60 instead from Newcastle going the opposite way, even if it followed the X12 route via Durham.

If you were clever you could run it from one of the Northumbria depots and swap the E400MMC's around so they're not getting rattled on the X93/X94 24/7 and give them a longer life.

Would solve the issue for Stockton only being to do minor works on Decker's aswell.

(18 Jun 2026, 12:52 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Apart from the depots being on different licences meaning you’d have to have the vehicle with ‘on hire’ constantly - and the likelihood of there being any Arriva Northumbria depots in a few years time means it is pointless. Indeed, the reason the X60 and X61 were binned 14 years ago was down to them being pensioner expresses therefore too costly to operate.

(18 Jun 2026, 12:52 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Apart from the depots being on different licences meaning you’d have to have the vehicle with ‘on hire’ constantly - and the likelihood of there being any Arriva Northumbria depots in a few years time means it is pointless. Indeed, the reason the X60 and X61 were binned 14 years ago was down to them being pensioner expresses therefore too costly to operate.

(18 Jun 2026, 6:36 am)tvd wrote Yes, but those passengers do need to return from the coast.  An earlier departure from Whitby and tweaking the route would open up a possibility for new passengers too. 

I’m just surprised they’ve never given it a go, same as they’ve never tried running south of Scarborough to serve the holiday parks or Bridlington in summer.
When the X94 was introduced some years ago, it was a success (albeit only a variation of the X93), but it does show its worth giving something new a try.

(19 Jun 2026, 1:38 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Just curious, has there ever been Arriva buses anywhere in South Tyneside?

(19 Jun 2026, 3:16 pm)LVK 404L wrote Years ago there was Nexus secured services on the Sunderland - Bolton - Heworth service.  Cannot remember which incarceration it was at the time 

Also many moons ago there was an X16 Sunday only service which went Stokesley - Middlesbrough - South Shields on a morning and returning in the afternoon.

(19 Jun 2026, 1:38 pm)OrangeArrow49 wrote Just curious, has there ever been Arriva buses anywhere in South Tyneside?

(19 Jun 2026, 6:33 pm)V514DFT wrote Some hike from Heworth- Bolton, then apparently gets incarcerated, so thats Prison then...

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Yes Arriva ran the short 319 on Sundays from Jarrow to Cramlington, would of been around 2005/2006, not sure if they ran it up to the point it was withdrawn in 2007

(20 Jun 2026, 10:50 am)Arlo400H wrote Something needs to be done with the Tyne tunnel service as it’s practically useless not going on to Sunderland anymore and a second one, even if it was hourly to wallsend would be nice because if you are trying to get from wallsend to South Tyneside ur best bet is basically just walk to Jarrow through the tunnel