(09 Oct 2021, 3:56 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Could GNE buy any Enviro 200 or 400 XLB's?
Are there any services other than the connections4 that get really busy but go under a low bridge?

Service 60 can get busy but is limited to single deckers as far as Seaham/Noses Point and the 2/2A are also limited to single deckers due to the low bridge at Penshaw/Shiney Row. Neither are as busy as they were pre-covid from my experience as a driver.

(09 Oct 2021, 4:09 pm)54APhotography wrote They are better than anything Bamford can produce but Go-ahead don't have the advantage Stagecoach has of part ownership....

(09 Oct 2021, 4:55 pm)streetdeckfan wrote The new StreetDecks are miles ahead of the E400s in terms of quality, ride comfort and refinement. The only edge the E400s have now is in power with them being 6 cylinder, but realistically they're overkill for most routes

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(10 Oct 2021, 6:28 am)54APhotography wrote Better Quality? top deck windsreens with sealant that looks like its been applied by a 3 year old..   I expected you to challenge my opinion. each to their own.

(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan wrote I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.

Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.

The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.

Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.


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(10 Oct 2021, 10:36 am)streetdeckfan wrote Presumably the StreetDecks off the road longer because of the longer wait for parts since they're based in Northern Ireland, and the backlog of both COVID and the fact they went bust.

Whereas the ADL factory is just down the road (relatively speaking anyway)

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(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan wrote I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.

Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.

The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.

Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.


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(09 Oct 2021, 4:55 pm)streetdeckfan wrote The new StreetDecks are miles ahead of the E400s in terms of quality, ride comfort and refinement. The only edge the E400s have now is in power with them being 6 cylinder, but realistically they're overkill for most routes

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(10 Oct 2021, 12:51 pm)L469 YVK wrote I'd say out of GNE's current route network, the only routes I'd say (not taking into account interworking patterns) a 6-Cylinder would be beneficial are:

- 10/10A/10B
- 47/47A
- X1 - questionable?
- X9/X10 - now coaches
- X21
- X70/X71/X72
- X84/X85

The rest of the decker routes are more than suited to 4 Cylinder operation. B9TLs overkill on some routes but this will no doubt change if EV bids are successful and B9TLs (309/310/311) are replaced and additionally, the Angel StreetDecks also cascading onto something (perhaps the 56).

(10 Oct 2021, 7:10 am)Dan wrote I’d imagine most of the windscreens have been replaced by now (especially those based at Consett), so this wouldn’t be classed as a manufacturer build quality issue.

Most internally would even agree that the StreetDecks have proven far superior in terms of build quality than the ADL Enviro400s.

The latter rattle like mad, whereas the former are much more solidly built. Whilst the StreetDecks are known to have long periods off service when they are off service, the ADL E400s are off service far more frequently albeit for shorter durations each time.

Now the issues with retarders have been fixed (a year or so later!) drivers prefer the ADLs, but that’s probably moreso due to the increased power and speed.


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(10 Oct 2021, 12:51 pm)L469 YVK wrote I'd say out of GNE's current route network, the only routes I'd say (not taking into account interworking patterns) a 6-Cylinder would be beneficial are:

- 10/10A/10B
- 47/47A
- X1 - questionable?
- X9/X10 - now coaches
- X21
- X70/X71/X72
- X84/X85

The rest of the decker routes are more than suited to 4 Cylinder operation. B9TLs overkill on some routes  but this will no doubt change if EV bids are successful and B9TLs (309/310/311) are replaced and additionally, the Angel StreetDecks also cascading onto something (perhaps the 56).

(10 Oct 2021, 3:39 pm)Andreos1 wrote Unless youre referring to the ex-X1 allocation.
No idea what was done to them, but their engines struggle on the smallest of inclines.

(10 Oct 2021, 4:47 pm)Keeiajs wrote What are GNE EV bids?

(10 Oct 2021, 1:04 pm)Train8261 wrote What would the 309/310/311 need like

(10 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK wrote Electric vehicles for:
- 309/310/311
- 21
- X5/X15
- Tynedale local service?

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Well, there's an EV bid been submitted for the 21, 309/310/311, X5/X15 and a Tynedale Local Service.

At a minimum, a successful bid for the 21 alone would likely see the StreetDecks off to Percy Main subsequently cascading the B9TLs elsewhere within GoNE/EY or GAG.

If both the 21, 309/310/311 are successful, Percy Main's B9TLs by default would be replaced. As for the current Angel StreetDecks, they could perhaps end up at Deptford for the 56 or other plans that GNE decide on.

(10 Oct 2021, 5:32 pm)L469 YVK wrote Electric vehicles for:
- 309/310/311
- 21
- X5/X15
- Tynedale local service?

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Well, there's an EV bid been submitted for the 21, 309/310/311, X5/X15 and a Tynedale Local Service.

At a minimum, a successful bid for the 21 alone would likely see the StreetDecks off to Percy Main subsequently cascading the B9TLs elsewhere within GoNE/EY or GAG.

If both the 21, 309/310/311 are successful, Percy Main's B9TLs by default would be replaced. As for the current Angel StreetDecks, they could perhaps end up at Deptford for the 56 or other plans that GNE decide on.

(10 Oct 2021, 7:08 pm)Keeiajs wrote Why did they do X5/X15 & 310/309/311 they aren't that busy.

(10 Oct 2021, 7:38 pm)Train8261 wrote If you think the 309/310/311 are not busy then I really don't know. Every time I've been on all 3. They have all been busy

(10 Oct 2021, 7:38 pm)Train8261 wrote If you think the 309/310/311 are not busy then I really don't know. Every time I've been on all 3. They have all been busy

(10 Oct 2021, 7:55 pm)Keeiajs wrote When I have seen them they have been dead, especially 311.

(10 Oct 2021, 7:59 pm)Train8261 wrote I only put the 311 there in case someone says that the 311 is busy. 
Ive seen the 309/310 be quite busy leaving town. Its mainly before or after the coast road where the 309 & 310 are busy. But once they hit the coast road. In comes the 306/308/51/52/38 and then that's where they start being less popular

(10 Oct 2021, 8:08 pm)Keeiajs wrote So really they busy for the first 15 mins...

(10 Oct 2021, 7:59 pm)Train8261 wrote I only put the 311 there in case someone says that the 311 is busy. 
Ive seen the 309/310 be quite busy leaving town. Its mainly before or after the coast road where the 309 & 310 are busy. But once they hit the coast road. In comes the 306/308/51/52/38 and then that's where they start being less popular

(10 Oct 2021, 8:11 pm)mb134 wrote So when you said "Every time I've been on all 3. They have all been busy", that was some bizarre lie?

(10 Oct 2021, 8:11 pm)Train8261 wrote I've seen the 309/310 packed leaving town quite a few times. But that's like all services. Most of the days they can be dead as hell but one day they get busy for some reason yet next day dead as owt again

(10 Oct 2021, 8:19 pm)Train8261 wrote I've seen the 311 busy once. That was only because a 310 didn't turn up

(11 Oct 2021, 8:09 am)NewcastleOne wrote I can’t account for the 310 or 311 don’t go on them frequently, however what I can say for the 309 I can get busy up to Cobalt especially in the peak times and fills up (not completely) towards Newcastle. Those are my experiences. On Weekends and off peak times it will of course be less busy. I think it’s really not about your experiences on whether a service is busy or not but what the data is across multiple vehicles on the service at the same time. You can see a vehicle isn’t busy but what are variable factors to do. What time have you seen them and where and what date. It’s a hard thing to determine which GNE has come to the conclusion that this is a service they believe they can upgrade and make a profit.

(11 Oct 2021, 9:23 am)Storx wrote I could imagine the reason they picked those services is it's a joint bid between Northumberland, Durham and GNE. It wouldn't make much sense upgrading the 56 for example which doesn't touch either of the areas. 

It's all about pollution spots aswell which the Coast Road is really bad and I believe Durham is trying to do something to try and make their area net zero. The P&R are part of it aswell and the 21, X5 and X15 are the main services to serve Durham which are deckers which are ran by GNE.