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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 03 Sep 2016
PB0002717/16 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and New Brancepeth given service number 48 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/165 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Metrocentre given service number X24 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/211 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Bishop Auckland given service number 5A/5 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/219 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Peterlee given service number X21 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/289 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stanhope and Durham given service number X46 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/335 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Middlesbrough and Peterlee given service number X22 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/380 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Peterlee and Sunderland given service number X21 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/409 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Whitby Park & Ride and Whitby Park & Ride given service number P1/P2 effective from 31-Oct-2016.
Competition between GNE and Arriva?
I take it, X21 - Sunderland - Peterlee - then X22 Middlesbrough or X21 to Darlington?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 03 Sep 2016
Looks like a renumber of the 21/21A to X21/X22 - potentially the first step to them becoming Max services too? They're not exactly express though...
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - biglugs@yahoo.com - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:34 am)tyresmoke wrote Looks like a renumber of the 21/21A to X21/X22 - potentially the first step to them becoming Max services too? They're not exactly express though...
Will Stockton run the x22 peak journeys
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 10:59 am)Michael wrote I take it, X21 - Sunderland - Peterlee - then X22 Middlesbrough or X21 to Darlington?
Looks like they are just renumbering the 21 as X21 and 21A as X22 between Darlington/Middlesbrough and Peterlee.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:34 am)tyresmoke wrote Looks like a renumber of the 21/21A to X21/X22 - potentially the first step to them becoming Max services too? They're not exactly express though...
Ah right, can we not have something different? haha
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:34 am)tyresmoke wrote Looks like a renumber of the 21/21A to X21/X22 - potentially the first step to them becoming Max services too? They're not exactly express though...
46 isn't really an express and it's being renumbered as X46 and becoming MAX.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:53 am)Jimmi wrote 46 isn't really an express and it's being renumbered as X46 and becoming MAX.
It's a brand that's really lost its identity, then, isn't it?
My understanding of MAX was that it was designed for interurban express services - putting an 'X' in front of the route number doesn't make it an express service.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:55 am)Dan wrote It's a brand that's really lost its identity, then, isn't it?
My understanding of MAX was that it was designed for interurban express services - putting an 'X' in front of the route number doesn't make it an express service.
The X itself has become part of the brand now. Branding the 21/21A and 46 just makes it clear that it is designed for any interurban service. Shires and Yorkshire are both big users of the brand too and it seems to work in terms of growing passenger numbers so why not. Definitely not just express any more, though!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 03 Sep 2016
Wonder what the route and timetables changes are for the X21?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Cock Robin - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 11:55 am)Dan wrote It's a brand that's really lost its identity, then, isn't it?
My understanding of MAX was that it was designed for interurban express services - putting an 'X' in front of the route number doesn't make it an express service.
Agreed!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - James101 - 03 Sep 2016
If I've read it correctly there's going to be a lot of confusion between the 22 and X22. Heading southbound a passenger will be very lost if they mix them up.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 8:17 pm)James101 wrote If I've read it correctly there's going to be a lot of confusion between the 22 and X22. Heading southbound a passenger will be very lost if they mix them up.
If I remember correctly they're 5 mins apart in Peterlee, off the same stand.
However one is a Sapphire bus, heading for Durham, and one is a Max bus (or will be) heading for Middlesbrough...
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - BusLoverMum - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 10:59 am)Michael wrote PB0002717/16 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and New Brancepeth given service number 48 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/165 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Durham and Metrocentre given service number X24 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/211 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Bishop Auckland given service number 5A/5 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/219 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Darlington and Peterlee given service number X21 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/289 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Stanhope and Durham given service number X46 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/335 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Middlesbrough and Peterlee given service number X22 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/380 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Peterlee and Sunderland given service number X21 effective from 30-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/409 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Whitby Park & Ride and Whitby Park & Ride given service number P1/P2 effective from 31-Oct-2016.
Competition between GNE and Arriva?
I take it, X21 - Sunderland - Peterlee - then X22 Middlesbrough or X21 to Darlington?
The 21A never had an X21 stretch - only the 21 extended to Sunderland.
Unless there's significant changes to the routes, having the X tag beterrn Peterlee and Darlo or Boro is laughable, though. We're talking around 80 minutes for the journey!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - BusLoverMum - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 8:17 pm)James101 wrote If I've read it correctly there's going to be a lot of confusion between the 22 and X22. Heading southbound a passenger will be very lost if they mix them up.
I would say no one would be that stupid, but someone did stand in the queue for the 22 at DBS, the other day, then rush over to the X22, complaining that it had arrived in the wrong stand. They got on it and went off in it, so I really hope they didn't get a nasty surprise when they ended up travelling through CLS!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 8:23 pm)BusLoverMum wrote The 21A never had an X21 stretch - only the 21 extended to Sunderland.
Unless there's significant changes to the routes, having the X tag beterrn Peterlee and Darlo or Boro is laughable, though. We're talking around 80 minutes for the journey!
When the X21 first started, there was a X21 that ran onto the 21A from Peterlee operated by Stockton depot.
![[Image: 15455977077_fb873e8366.jpg]](https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5616/15455977077_fb873e8366.jpg)
Arriva North East 4658 / NK05 GXN by Matthew Jimmison, on FlickrThere was also an additional Sunderland - Peterlee weekday afternoon journey ran by Belmont which worked off the 24X.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Mark P - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 8:17 pm)James101 wrote If I've read it correctly there's going to be a lot of confusion between the 22 and X22. Heading southbound a passenger will be very lost if they mix them up.The 22 will be a pale blue sapphire bus, the X22 will be a dark blue max bus and the 23 will be a green eco bus. What could possibly go wrong [FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE AND WINKING EYE][FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE AND WINKING EYE][FACE WITH STUCK-OUT TONGUE AND WINKING EYE]
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RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - BusLoverMum - 03 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 8:28 pm)Jimmi wrote When the X21 first started, there was a X21 that ran onto the 21A from Peterlee operated by Stockton depot.
There was also an additional Sunderland - Peterlee weekday afternoon journey ran by Belmont which worked off the 24X.
I sit corrected (and miss the omnicities on that route)
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - James101 - 03 Sep 2016
Sounds like the best thought out plan since the incredibly useful Peterlee - Thornaby link:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/stagecoachuk/19945029102
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Cock Robin - 05 Sep 2016
(03 Sep 2016, 8:23 pm)tyresmoke wrote If I remember correctly they're 5 mins apart in Peterlee, off the same stand.
However one is a Sapphire bus, heading for Durham, and one is a Max bus (or will be) heading for Middlesbrough...
Assuming the Sapphire service always has a Sapphire bus and the Max service always has a Max bus.....
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - omnicity4659 - 06 Sep 2016
4th September service changes -
X20: Additional peak time service from Newcastle to Ashington in the evening is now run by Jesmond
X30: This service has transferred from Jesmond to Blyth
494: This service has transferred from Jesmond to Ashington
494 runs off a 35A from Woodhorn to Longbenton.
Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Jimmi - 06 Sep 2016
PB0002717/238 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Newcastle given service number X12 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/239 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Middlesbrough and Durham given service number X12 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/382 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Sunderland given service number 22 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/383 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Hartlepool given service number 24/24X effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - PH - BQA - 06 Sep 2016
(06 Sep 2016, 3:04 pm)GX03 SVC wrote 4th September service changes -
X20: Additional peak time service from Newcastle to Ashington in the evening is now run by Jesmond
X30: This service has transferred from Jesmond to Blyth
494: This service has transferred from Jesmond to Ashington
494 runs off a 35A from Woodhorn to Longbenton
Wouldn't like to be on that Jesmond operated X20, pretty much guaranteed to be allocated a Solo.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 06 Sep 2016
(06 Sep 2016, 3:14 pm)Jimmi wrote PB0002717/238 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Newcastle given service number X12 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/239 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Middlesbrough and Durham given service number X12 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/382 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Sunderland given service number 22 effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
PB0002717/383 - ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted by SN: Operating between Durham and Hartlepool given service number 24/24X effective from 02-Oct-2016. To amend Route and Timetable.
Wonder what the change is?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 06 Sep 2016
(06 Sep 2016, 5:42 pm)Michael wrote Wonder what the change is?
Services reverting to their usual timetables - the roadworks in Durham should be complete by 1st October.
The PVR of Go North East's 20 service will reduce by one vehicle with extra layover in Durham removed, from the same date.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 06 Sep 2016
(06 Sep 2016, 5:46 pm)Dan wrote Services reverting to their usual timetables - the roadworks in Durham should be complete by 1st October.
The PVR of Go North East's 20 service will reduce by one vehicle with extra layover in Durham removed, from the same date.
Oh i thought it was later in the year not October for the roadworks to be complete, they've gone quick.
I take it Deptford will lose a bus because of this?
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 06 Sep 2016
(06 Sep 2016, 5:54 pm)Michael wrote Oh i thought it was later in the year not October for the roadworks to be complete, they've gone quick.
I take it Deptford will lose a bus because of this?
Yes, they will.
The outstanding transfer as a consequence of one of the two new red Streetlites entering service will go ahead.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 06 Sep 2016
(06 Sep 2016, 5:55 pm)Dan wrote Yes, they will.
The outstanding transfer as a consequence of one of the two new red Streetlites entering service will go ahead.
Hopefully a Scania will move out.
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - biglugs@yahoo.com - 06 Sep 2016
(06 Sep 2016, 5:59 pm)Michael wrote Hopefully a Scania will move out.
5215 was supposed to
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Cock Robin - 06 Sep 2016
This is the ARRIVA page!
RE: Arriva North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 06 Sep 2016
(06 Sep 2016, 9:11 pm)Cock Robin wrote This is the ARRIVA page!
Sherlock has arrived.
It is but it happens in other area's of the forum...