(30 Aug 2021, 4:05 pm)citaro5284 wrote Bus Service Improvement Plan

(30 Aug 2021, 4:13 pm)Keeiajs wrote Thanks. 
anyone get any more info on what that will entail

(30 Aug 2021, 4:13 pm)Keeiajs wrote Thanks. 
anyone get any more info on what that will entail

(30 Aug 2021, 4:18 pm)citaro5284 wrote https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/985379/bus-service-improvement-plans-guidance-to-local-authorities-and-bus-operators.pdf

(30 Aug 2021, 10:45 am)DeltaMan wrote Sunderland is very good example of where you are disenestivised for even thinking of using a bus if you want to visit the city centre. If you park at the multi story you walk undercover a few meters and you are in the centre. Get the bus and the main facility is 1/4 of a mile away, uncoverd to the elements and seagull excrement.

Car users can travel where and when they want, buses by there very nature have a timetable, so aren't  as flexible. So make car users walk further when accessing these popular facilities. No doubt the usual motor opinion formers would say this is a "war on motorists" though

I think GNE would be better served showing parts of Sunderland on its network map they don't serve with the Stagecoach routes with an add for the Day Rover or Smartzone, at least that way they may get some additional revenue if they buy it from GNE! That would cost nothing to do

(30 Aug 2021, 3:55 pm)Keeiajs wrote I mean, Idk whether there is much there is some. However I think it would be more to take on the E's On Sunderland to South Sheilds as GNE do have cheaper fares especially for under 18's than SC or Arriva

Also BSIP?

(30 Aug 2021, 5:47 pm)logidoodah wrote GNE's student ticketing is not cheaper however is covered by a significantly larger area, and not for students either....
Ticketing for child/students....

GNE (5-25) - £1.20 Single (U19 Only), £4.50 Day, £17 Week 
Stagecoach (5-19) - £1.20 Single, £2.90 Day, £9.50 Day  
Arriva (5-19) - Adult Single, £3.30 Day, £13.30 Week (Tyne & Wear)

(30 Aug 2021, 5:32 pm)Adrian wrote Similar to the example of Market Street East in Newcastle, it is literally a 5 minute walk from the middle of Market Square, which arguably is the centre of all the shops. 

If people can muster up the energy to walk around shops all morning, then surely they can manage the short walk to and from the bus station. Bags of shopping or not.

(30 Aug 2021, 5:47 pm)logidoodah wrote GNE's student ticketing is not cheaper however is covered by a significantly larger area, and not for students either....
Ticketing for child/students....

GNE (5-25) - £1.20 Single (U19 Only), £4.50 Day, £17 Week 
Stagecoach (5-19) - £1.20 Single, £2.90 Day, £9.50 Day  
Arriva (5-19) - Adult Single, £3.30 Day, £13.30 Week (Tyne & Wear)

(30 Aug 2021, 2:56 pm)Dan wrote Aside from Drifter60's example (which is just one case, on one day), is there really much of a demand for a through service from Parkside and Seaham through to Seaburn and South Shields? I don't understand the growing obsession with this proposed route.

Leisure facilities at Seaburn are growing (Stack, pubs, restaurants, etc), and whilst you could say a proactive operator would be capitalising on this, I really don't think extending the 60 is the right option. There needs to be more than just leisure to warrant this kind of thing (i.e. with the extension of the 21 to Brandon, there's leisure at Arnison Centre, education at New College, and work).

No doubt I'll be shot down for saying this, but there can't be a bus provided for every eventuality. With the impending BSIP, it'd be more likely to expect an enhancement to Network One ticketing and better integration of existing services.

(30 Aug 2021, 6:06 pm)Storx wrote There's the Arriva Teen Card for singles which is valid after 6pm / all day weekends and holidays for a £1 or half a single (whatever is cheaper).

There's also the Nexus CAT aswell which is 60p per single or £1.10 a day in Tyne and Wear for Under 16's if you have the POP Card which will be the majority of people in Sunderland Interchange.

(30 Aug 2021, 7:44 pm)logidoodah wrote Yes, I know about all these examples however was just specifying the ones advertised by the individual bus companies rather than the shared ones as the person who I quoted was talking about individual operators. Also don't forget the PoPBlue Card which is discounted for metro, but can be used as a currency/top up card for the buses (which is what I used). 
But thanks anyways Storx

(30 Aug 2021, 7:56 pm)Storx wrote Yeah no worries man, the Teen Card is a hard one to find and is pretty hidden especially on the awful new Arriva site. Aye the POP Cards are a bit of a mess imo as there's way to many, they just need one imo like Oyster which can have everything including Network One loaded on, hopefully one day but no doubt it'll not happen.

(30 Aug 2021, 8:06 pm)logidoodah wrote Change the 311 to do this route. (Could be called either 41 or 311)

I'm not sure how popular this would be however it would make use of (what some would say) "redundant" 311 as well as the "useless" 41/41A. 
This would be operated by Single Deckers every 20 Min? 
It basically does the whole 41/41A route as well as the whole 311 route. It would do the opposite way round once an hour for example, (like the 41A from 5th Sep)

Newcastle --> Battle Hill --> Hadrian Park --> Howdon --> Wallsend --> Newcastle (x2)
OR 
Newcastle --> Wallsend --> Howdon --> Hadrian Park --> Battle Hill --> Newcastle (x1)

This is just an idea I had I am a little skeptical of it myself. Opinions are welcomed....

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 EXACTLY. 
But I agree it won't happen not with nexus in charge

(30 Aug 2021, 8:18 pm)Storx wrote I always thought about that route but it has a massive flaw that it cuts the main link between Battle Hill and Wallsend unless you go around the world through Howdon so probably wouldn't be too popular. The other side is pretty much the old 305 - https://www.northeastbuses.co.uk/bygone/assets/uploads/GoC305January26th1997.jpg which would be popular but you'd have to keep the other site somehow and it's been scrapped before. If you could somehow drop the 311 down to half hourly and restore the 305 over the 311/41 (Howdon side) it would work (but keep the 41 between Wallsend and Hadrian Park). It would mess the rest of the Coast Road timetable up though.

Agreed tbh on Nexus they only care about the Metro though imo.

(30 Aug 2021, 8:28 pm)V514DFT wrote I always thought that the problem was that the 42/A was always not far behind the 40 or 41,so now the 42/A is no longer an issue i'd revert the 41 back to its pre March 2020 route,the 40 going 1 way and the 41 doing the other,but maybe just drop them both to every half an hour,including the Wallsend-Hadrian Park section,tbh does the 41 really NEED to be every 15 mins when the 311 shares the same route as the 41 from the Coast Road?

(30 Aug 2021, 8:40 pm)Keeiajs wrote How bad is the 42/42A they always have uncomfortable buses, but they go to NCL so I would think it would be a lot more popular.

(30 Aug 2021, 10:07 pm)V514DFT wrote NCL,is that code for Newcastle,cus if so,neither go there

(31 Aug 2021, 8:00 am)Keeiajs wrote NCL is the code for Newcastle International Airport. Which the 42A does serve.

(02 Sep 2021, 10:26 am)Keeiajs wrote We all know GNE is under going massive re-painting and Re branding, but I thought why isn't the 50 or The 49/A/C. They are quite popular services and I do think they should be branded. Also I do think the 12/6/9/5 should be branding I know they interwork however I think they both deserve brandings same with the 9&5. I mean if the 12 & 6 does get the streetlites they should be branded. And why isn't the 49, it should be.

Also when the 50 gets newer buses (maybe 15' Plate Streelites or 5369-5376) when they do that should be branded.

(02 Sep 2021, 10:26 am)Keeiajs wrote We all know GNE is under going massive re-painting and Re branding, but I thought why isn't the 50 or The 49/A/C. They are quite popular services and I do think they should be branded. Also I do think the 12/6/9/5 should be branding I know they interwork however I think they both deserve brandings same with the 9&5. I mean if the 12 & 6 does get the streetlites they should be branded. And why isn't the 49, it should be.

Also when the 50 gets newer buses (maybe 15' Plate Streelites or 5369-5376) when they do that should be branded.

(02 Sep 2021, 10:30 am)Thomas12 wrote The 50 will be interworking with the 26 so branding wouldn't work unless it was very generic.

Likewise with the 6 and 12, they are completely different routes so it is hard to have a brand for them - the only sort of branding that would work is something along the lines of the old 'Toon Link' branding.

(02 Sep 2021, 10:42 am)streetdeckfan wrote The 49 used to have the half arsed 'The 49' brand, but that was removed a year or two back, prior to that it was Blaydon Racers, which I quite liked

I think the less said about the previous 50 branding the better!

(02 Sep 2021, 11:18 am)54APhotography wrote Given the need for Euro 6 at Riverside for extras etc, it makes more sense to swap the Omnicities that will remain from Washington with Citaros for the 50/26.

That covers the 6/12 as well plus the capacity to carry on with the extras at peak times, albeit with less capacity than a B7 or Omnidekka.

(02 Sep 2021, 10:42 am)streetdeckfan wrote The 49 used to have the half arsed 'The 49' brand, but that was removed a year or two back, prior to that it was Blaydon Racers, which I quite liked

I think the less said about the previous 50 branding the better!

(02 Sep 2021, 11:23 am)Kuyoyo wrote Except the Omnicities on the 50 converted to Euro6 spec were done using funding in corporation from.......South Tyneside Council. And I'm sure Dan has mentioned in the past, as a result of that, the Omnicities can only be replaced on the 50 by vehicles of similar Euro rating - which basically means the Citaros can't replace them as they are only Euro5 (or Euro4).

(02 Sep 2021, 11:18 am)54APhotography wrote Given the need for Euro 6 at Riverside for extras etc, it makes more sense to swap the Omnicities that will remain from Washington with Citaros for the 50/26.

That covers the 6/12 as well plus the capacity to carry on with the extras at peak times, albeit with less capacity than a B7 or Omnidekka.

(02 Sep 2021, 11:23 am)Kuyoyo wrote Except the Omnicities on the 50 converted to Euro6 spec were done using funding in corporation from.......South Tyneside Council. And I'm sure Dan has mentioned in the past, as a result of that, the Omnicities can only be replaced on the 50 by vehicles of similar Euro rating - which basically means the Citaros can't replace them as they are only Euro5 (or Euro4).

(02 Sep 2021, 10:30 am)Thomas12 wrote The 50 will be interworking with the 26 so branding wouldn't work unless it was very generic.

Likewise with the 6 and 12, they are completely different routes so it is hard to have a brand for them - the only sort of branding that would work is something along the lines of the old 'Toon Link' branding.