(26 Jul 2023, 6:43 pm)glen wrote Alx300 man's and transbus that 7 buses withdrawn now we'll that mean Stockton depot need more buses then? To replace them.

(27 Jul 2023, 12:34 pm)tyresmoke wrote You are aware Stockton have just seen a load of service cuts that has seen a cut in the daily PVR hence withdrawing older vehicles as a result…


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(27 Jul 2023, 5:18 pm)Lollist wrote There was only majour cuts to the 52 doesnt need 7 buses or so withdrawn absolutely redicoulous

(28 Jul 2023, 12:12 am)glen wrote Is 27809 at enter service yet at Stockton depot yet?

(28 Jul 2023, 6:25 pm)Jimbo wrote i just heard that Stagecoach Stockton depot starting the 6/6A  Stockton-Ingleby-Barwick-Yarm-Teesside Airport-Darlington-Hurworth

(28 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm)Storx wrote If that's true there's some stupid things but that would take a beating. How would that even work without competing against a commercial service (17A).

I slag councillors and Nexus up here, but it really feels like Houchon and his Tory cronies have gone on a full on war with Arriva and they're biting back aswell. They, at the end of the day, blocked the 1/2 service and seem to be refusing the rebursement for pensioners aswell from words mentioned in one of the latest Tees Valley news. It's starting to turn ugly down there lately and it won't end well for the public.

(28 Jul 2023, 8:15 pm)tyresmoke wrote The idea is it replaces the 17 between Ingleby & Yarm and then the 12 between Airport, Darlington & Hurworth (which Arriva are currently running on emergency tender). Assume it’ll run direct via Stockton & Ingleby via QE Way, so as not to compete with the 15 too much. It doesn’t cover any of the 17a though?!


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(28 Jul 2023, 8:26 pm)Storx wrote My apologies got the numbers mixed up, meant the 15.

Even then though it seems a bit silly to run an express against a commercial route. I could understand if it ran Ingleby (doing the loop) then to Yarm and beyond or even going elsewhere where services don't exist currently (it's the idea of them) ie across to Coulby Newham or somewhere. Not sure what the demand would be like but the A174 is clogged everynight so suggests some are heading that way and it's arguably better use of funds.

(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke wrote I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest

All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.


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(28 Jul 2023, 9:06 pm)Storx wrote Aye some fair points there, mind if they had 30 minutes. Wonder if they could've bolted it onto the 17 at the Darlington side, so it done the 12 route then run onto the 17 route. Seems a better use of money.

Assuming it'll be coming up for tender at the same time and the current 17 bus is sitting around doing nothing for 30 minutes by the looks of it.

(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke wrote I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest

All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.


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(28 Jul 2023, 11:06 pm)Stuartphin1639 wrote By all accounts the 17/18 are staying with Arriva, I’m sure there would be a way of interworking them albeit very hard to work out

(28 Jul 2023, 8:49 pm)tyresmoke wrote I am guessing once you’d done all the route upto Ingleby and you have half hour (presuming, I’ve not seen the timetable!) spare then where do you send it. The 17 goes to Middlesbrough so Stockton is your next best option. They might have even extended it commercially to allow driver changes to be done? I don’t know to be honest

All of the demand from the A174 corridor would be towards Middlesbrough I would imagine, I’ve looked at an express from up there but it’s justifying it vs everything else that is ran.


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(28 Jul 2023, 6:57 pm)Storx wrote If that's true there's some stupid things but that would take a beating. How would that even work without competing against a commercial service (17A).

I slag councillors and Nexus up here, but it really feels like Houchon and his Tory cronies have gone on a full on war with Arriva and they're biting back aswell. They, at the end of the day, blocked the 1/2 service and seem to be refusing the rebursement for pensioners aswell from words mentioned in one of the latest Tees Valley news. It's starting to turn ugly down there lately and it won't end well for the public.

(29 Jul 2023, 5:50 pm)col87 wrote I agree something is not right I wonder if we might see this so called agreement ripped up and have the bus wars back because if I was Arriva I would be feeling more than a bit annoyed right now as this is very likely going to be a potential commercial service in the future. Ben will likely be doing this as another ego boost as once again like with the 1 and 2 it’s mostly duplicating a commercial service or in this case quite a few ( the 7, 15, X66/X67) while at the same time areas desperately in need of a service ( Stillington, Dalton Piecy) got next to nothing still.