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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 6:16 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Independence. Independence from what? A complete withdrawal from the EU? Given that picking and choosing the best bits is highly unlikely to be an option... UKIP also want out of the EFTA and the EEA. This stops foreign workers having the freedom to work in the UK, but people quickly forget that it prevents us from working in the EU. They've also made a manifesto commitment to abolish the Department of Culture, Media and Sport, as well as the Department of Energy and Climate Change. I understand people may not see the latter as a big issue, but this policy is nuts... On student fees. They're saying students from the EU would pay the same as International students, but there's no mention in the manifesto of lower fees for UK students. They massively support the creation of 'Free Schools' (sigh... read up on them...), that uphold 'British Values'. I remember a well known dictator who once wanted to impose his country's values on people... Two others: 1) "UKIP will withdraw from the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights" 2) "We will repeal the Human Rights Act and replace it with a new British Bill of Rights. The interests of law-abiding citizens & victims will always take precedence over those of criminals. " Well and truly a return to the dark ages of inequality... RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - LeeCalder - 09 Mar 2015 UKIP's immigration policy. An Australian based model: I'm always called a racist for supporting them but what's racist about that RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 6:31 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Oh I see...................#fail. Well that's embarrassing. Just to jump in on this, some of the most loyal, hardworking people I have worked with, alongside or 'for me', have been Polish. Always exceptions to the rule, but I am sure our insiders would agree with the main part of the sentiments. Particularly when they do the jobs locals won't or don't want to do. Bus operators wouldn't have recruited Polish people, if the natives wanted to do it and do it well. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - S813 FVK - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 5:32 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Oh I see...................#fail. Well that's embarrassing. Now i see why you said what you said below, mind you, i wouldnt have a clue either: (09 Mar 2015, 6:31 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Don't think I've ever made a good presence in this thread RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - LeeCalder - 09 Mar 2015 Everyone says UKIP won't let anyone in! That is untrue, people who can benifit the country (eg Polish hard workers) canc RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 6:41 pm)leestransportphotos wrote Everyone says UKIP won't let anyone in! That is untrue, people who can benifit the country (eg Polish hard workers) canc But that's not true is it? Where does it say that in their manifesto? "UKIP will leave the EU, and take back control of our borders. Work permits will be permitted to fill skills gaps in the UK jobs market." It's not based on hard working, or where you're from, it's whether we require your skill. Different thing completely. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - LeeCalder - 09 Mar 2015 It's very true. Various point have been raised on there manifesto and Facebook etc RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - R852 PRG - 09 Mar 2015 Think I'll just steer clear of politics from now on. If I try to voice my own views, be they misguided or not - it turns into a shark attack. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 6:57 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Think I'll just steer clear of politics from now on. You'll never be able to completely avoid politics. They always exist, no matter what the situation, or wherever you are. If you have views on something, I encourage you to stick by them, but it's always wide to read in depth at exactly what the said policies are. Politics are controlled by spin doctors, who put a great media spin on whatever a political party are trying to push for. The great thing about politics is that we all have our own views, and it's always interesting to debate them. I used to get the 'shark attack' feeling at Labour meetings, because my views on some matters can be too left wing for them. Try this - https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/. See what you get? RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 11:08 am)Andreos1 wrote Two things annoying me today, but sticking them in here, due to the nature of them. Would not surprise if abuse went right to the heart of No.10 with Dennis Thatcher involved in some way... How would a Pan-European Armed Force work, would it be like the UN when they do peacekeeping, would each country keep there own Forces or would they all be absorbed by the EU Armed Forces... Is this just Juncker sabre rattling in Russias face, if it went ahead, would EU members be obligated to join and would future entries into the EU be made to join the Pan European Forces as a condition for EU Membership... (09 Mar 2015, 5:32 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Don't think I've ever made a good presence in this thread, so now may be the time. I have a politically-interested friend who informs me of a lot things, and he is a Conservative-obsessed guy. Very intelligent too, could prove you wrong in a situation he has little knowledge of. A lot of lives were ruined by Thatcher in the Miners Strike, families split up and lifelong friendships smashed by what seemed Thatcher using divide and conquer tactics and communities suffered and paid a hefty price, those of us who are older will have witnessed the demise of once proud mining communities...Thatcher was never going to be beaten by the Miners, if she was gonna get beat, I reckon if she were to be beaten she would have taken the country down with her. As for school on a Saturday, I used to goto school for half day on Saturdays when I went to Choristers in Durham, but anything that deprives Citaro of a Marcus review is bad for bus companies takings, lol (09 Mar 2015, 6:16 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Independence. So I guess you are Euro-Sceptic in your beliefs. I am almost sure Farage has no further education or university degree, bit he did goto a top Independent School, Dulwich College I think. He went from there to work in the City of London, just because someone never went to college or got a degree would not stop me voting for someone. I personally think Farage is fcukwit and utter c***t, a total ballbag and bell end I could probably use every swear word known to man to describe what I feel about Big Nige...But I think the same of most politicians RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 6:57 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Think I'll just steer clear of politics from now on. Not sure anyone turned it into a shark attack like. Just people sharing their experiences and the bigger picture. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Tom - 09 Mar 2015 Politics bores me. I don't know the foggiest about it! RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - PH - BQA - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 5:32 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote Don't think I've ever made a good presence in this thread, so now may be the time. I have a politically-interested friend who informs me of a lot things, and he is a Conservative-obsessed guy. Very intelligent too, could prove you wrong in a situation he has little knowledge of. I wish I was a year older, and I'd be able to vote this year If I could, I'd vote Labour. I don't like anything the Conservatives stand for, and doing history this year has made me realise that in the early 1900's if it wasn't for the emergence of Labour, the Liberals probably wouldn't have brought about the reforms, after 1906. If it wasn't for that Britain as a country would have been totally unprepared for war, in 1914. The state of the country was appalling after years of the Conservatives looking after only themselves and the upper, landed classes. The NHS will be nothing like we know it currently is if the Conservatives get in this year again, and I fear that the opinion that many have of Ed Miliband will hinder Labour a little, but at least he never left his kid in a pub... RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:04 pm)MrFozz wrote Would not surprise if abuse went right to the heart of No.10 with Dennis Thatcher involved in some way... No idea how the EU army would work. Probably not thought out at all. Nowt would surprise me about the establishment back in the 80's. They always looked after their own and still do. (09 Mar 2015, 7:06 pm)Tom wrote Politics bores me. QCS is politics . RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:03 pm)aureolin wrote Try this - https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/. See what you get? RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:04 pm)MrFozz wrote A lot of lives were ruined by Thatcher in the Miners Strike, families split up and lifelong friendships smashed by what seemed Thatcher using divide and conquer tactics and communities suffered and paid a hefty price, those of us who are older will have witnessed the demise of once proud mining communities...Thatcher was never going to be beaten by the Miners, if she was gonna get beat, I reckon if she were to be beaten she would have taken the country down with her. A lot of strike breakers smashed friendships. I've friends and family that went through extremely difficult times in 84/85, but they made the choice to go hungry, rather than to scab on their mates. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:03 pm)aureolin wrote You'll never be able to completely avoid politics. They always exist, no matter what the situation, or wherever you are. If you have views on something, I encourage you to stick by them, but it's always wide to read in depth at exactly what the said policies are. Politics are controlled by spin doctors, who put a great media spin on whatever a political party are trying to push for. I just did that Policy Survey my results were 60% for the Tories 😯 Politics (and other political stuff) - R852 PRG - 09 Mar 2015 I got 40% UKIP, 30% Labour, 30% Green. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:31 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote I got 40% UKIP, 30% Labour, 30% Green. UKIP to Green, via Labour. That's some political spectrum you have there mind Marcus. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:23 pm)aureolin wrote A lot of strike breakers smashed friendships. I've friends and family that went through extremely difficult times in 84/85, but they made the choice to go hungry, rather than to scab on their mates.I have a lot of respect for those who starved and suffered in 84/85, and I respect those who saw it through to the bitter end, I dont agree with strike breaking or have any kind of feeling for scabs(I hate that word btw), it was there own fault for the treatment they have recieved, but some must have been so desperate to feel they had no other choice but to go back to work. I will never forget what one person told about Scabs...To call someone a scab is akin to calling someone a Murderer, Rapist or Nonce, those guys were literally the lowest of the low...That is why I find it an awful word, only c**t is a worse word in my opinion Politics (and other political stuff) - R852 PRG - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:37 pm)aureolin wrote UKIP to Green, via Labour. That's some political spectrum you have there mind Marcus. Keep it bus-related. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:41 pm)MrFozz wrote I have a lot of respect for those who starved and suffered in 84/85, and I respect those who saw it through to the bitter end, I dont agree with strike breaking or have any kind of feeling for scabs(I hate that word btw), it was there own fault for the treatment they have recieved, but some must have been so desperate to feel they had no other choice but to go back to work. It's not nice mate. I've had people scab on picket lines that I've been on, and I've had to go back to work with them. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - LeeCalder - 09 Mar 2015 I got 75% UKIP and 25% Lib Dems RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 7:45 pm)leestransportphotos wrote I got 75% UKIP and 25% Lib Dems60% Conservative, 20% Labour and 20% UKIP for me...Problem there is, I would never vote for David Scumeron, I guess I will be voting Labour as I wont vote for Big Nige either RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 8:32 pm)MrFozz wrote 60% Conservative, 20% Labour and 20% UKIP for me...Problem there is, I would never vote for David Scumeron, I guess I will be voting Labour as I wont vote for Big Nige either MrFozz... the only Tory in Murton... RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 8:41 pm)aureolin wrote MrFozz... the only Tory in Murton...Dont swear at me, I am deeply offended and hurt by that remark Joking aside, I have never ever thought about voting Tory and never would...My dead great granny would rise from the dead and haunt me if I so much as thought of voting for them RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Mar 2015 Being anti-EU, believing in the need for a decent sized military and being of the opinion that migrant workers shouldn't benefit from the welfare state (initially), may skew my score towards parties that I dislike with a passion and apart from those few policies, have no affinity towards whatsoever. It should be pretty obvious where my opinions lie on other matters RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 10:29 pm)Andreos1 wrote Being anti-EU, believing in the need for a decent sized military and being of the opinion that migrant workers shouldn't benefit from the welfare state (initially), may skew my score towards parties that I dislike with a passion and apart from those few policies, have no affinity towards whatsoever.I would say you lean more to the left, am I right RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 09 Mar 2015 (09 Mar 2015, 10:43 pm)MrFozz wrote I would say you lean more to the left, am I right...Trotskyist. RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - LeeCalder - 09 Mar 2015 I'm definitely right wing. Not racist though. |