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RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - BusLoverMum - 12 Mar 2016
Number not displaying on the side destination screen of 4992.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Davie - 13 Mar 2016
604's rear blind is just showing the service number, not the destination or via points.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 13 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 12:25 pm)Davie wrote 604's rear blind is just showing the service number, not the destination or via points.When I was in Concord yesterday, I saw at least two MPD's only showing the service number in the centre of the rear screens. Thankfully this is not really a massive problem.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 13 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 12:38 pm)Jimmi wrote When I was in Concord yesterday, I saw at least two MPD's only showing the service number in the centre of the rear screens. Thankfully this is not really a massive problem.
Yes - 604 and 606. Done on purpose, temporarily, whilst we wait for Hanover to fix some of the wiring.
Good job it's not a 'massive problem', otherwise Arriva would be screwed!
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - NK53 TKT - 13 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 1:44 pm)Dan wrote Yes - 604 and 606. Done on purpose, temporarily, whilst we wait for Hanover to fix some of the wiring.
Good job it's not a 'massive problem', otherwise Arriva would be screwed!
I have never seen an Arriva MPD with a working rear destination since January 1st. Says a lot about Arriva
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Adrian - 13 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 6:48 pm)NK53 TKT wrote
I have never seen an Arriva MPD with a working rear destination since January 1st. Says a lot about Arriva
You can't have looked very hard then, as the last few proper days I've spent out, I think I spotted one or two at most that weren't? I also see Arriva buses going past most of the day, and again, most have working destinations from what I see.
There are a number of Streetlites still not configured correctly, and showing a centre aligned service number on a full size display. As long as the number is on the rear then it's fine, but makes the purchase of rear full size displays a bit pointless!
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - NK53 TKT - 13 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 6:53 pm)Adrian wrote You can't have looked very hard then, as the last few proper days I've spent out, I think I spotted one or two at most that weren't? I also see Arriva buses going past most of the day, and again, most have working destinations from what I see.
There are a number of Streetlites still not configured correctly, and showing a centre aligned service number on a full size display. As long as the number is on the rear then it's fine, but makes the purchase of rear full size displays a bit pointless!
Well I am talking about the X16 and the 57/57A.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Adrian - 13 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 6:54 pm)NK53 TKT wrote Well I am talking about the X16 and the 57/57A.
The Blyth and Durham MPDs that I've seen have been fine? Not seen anything from the other depots. Any specifics?
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - citaro5284 - 13 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 6:54 pm)NK53 TKT wrote Well I am talking about the X16 and the 57/57A.
1800 is still not working....side and rear off.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - NK53 TKT - 13 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 7:09 pm)citaro5284 wrote 1800 is still not working....side and rear off.
Yes, 1799, 1800 and 1775 and 1776
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - PH - BQA - 15 Mar 2016
(13 Mar 2016, 8:20 pm)NK53 TKT wrote Yes, 1799, 1800 and 1775 and 1776
1776 isn't a bus, so I'm unsure how that could have a broken rear display...
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - NK53 TKT - 15 Mar 2016
(15 Mar 2016, 4:34 pm)mb134 wrote 1776 isn't a bus, so I'm unsure how that could have a broken rear display...
My bad
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Davie - 15 Mar 2016
(15 Mar 2016, 5:11 pm)NK53 TKT wrote My badDid you not mean 1774?
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - NK53 TKT - 15 Mar 2016
(15 Mar 2016, 5:12 pm)Davie wrote Did you not mean 1774?
Yes
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - NK53 TKT - 18 Mar 2016
2601 has no working side and rear destination displays
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 24 Mar 2016
Stagecoach 27510 front/rear displays intermittently flashing on/off.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 24 Mar 2016
(24 Mar 2016, 11:03 am)Dan wrote Stagecoach 27510 front/rear displays intermittently flashing on/off.I noticed that yesterday, seemed to spend most of its time off, first two times I saw it the screens were blank (the first time I saw it was for a good 30 seconds), but the few seconds I saw it for the third time it was showing the display as normal.
It certainly confused me, especially as it decided to come up Newgate Street to reach the 100 stop on Blackett Street.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - James101 - 25 Mar 2016
One for the destination experts:
What do we think of trentbarton? Their destinations are usually very clear, but they rarely comply to PSVAR guidance.
There's barely any route numbers to speak of. The display will often switch between the destination and the route brand; sometimes including descriptions such as on the red arrow 'Derby FAST'.
Then there's the issue of colour. On the Spondon Flyer, the two variations of the route are denoted by a green or blue circle where a number would usually be. On occasion where a route has a number, such as 'the two' the number is spelled rather than displayed as a digit.
All in all, it would be difficult to argue they are not being clear with their equipment. AlthoThe unconventional, I would argue they really make the most of their equipment. Do their efforts, however, make it (very) technically illegal?
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - citaro5284 - 25 Mar 2016
Under DDA regs, the route number and terminal point should always by shown on the front. If the service is registered with the TC and it has a route number, then under the rules, it must be shown at all times. If they just register the service as Rainbow (even thou their buses are not painted in rainbow colours
) for example, then this needs to be shown at all times instead of the route number.There is nothing in the regs about colour, so whilst some colours do not look good to see, they are fine with that.
As you say, its difficult to argue a case, however if the things I have mentioned above are not constantly shown, they are breaking the PSVAR rules.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Andreos1 - 25 Mar 2016
(25 Mar 2016, 1:49 am)James101 wrote One for the destination experts:
What do we think of trentbarton? Their destinations are usually very clear, but they rarely comply to PSVAR guidance.
There's barely any route numbers to speak of. The display will often switch between the destination and the route brand; sometimes including descriptions such as on the red arrow 'Derby FAST'.
Then there's the issue of colour. On the Spondon Flyer, the two variations of the route are denoted by a green or blue circle where a number would usually be. On occasion where a route has a number, such as 'the two' the number is spelled rather than displayed as a digit.
All in all, it would be difficult to argue they are not being clear with their equipment. AlthoThe unconventional, I would argue they really make the most of their equipment. Do their efforts, however, make it (very) technically illegal?
(25 Mar 2016, 7:44 am)citaro5284 wrote Under DDA regs, the route number and terminal point should always by shown on the front. If the service is registered with the TC and it has a route number, then under the rules, it must be shown at all times. If they just register the service as Rainbow (even thou their buses are not painted in rainbow colours
There is nothing in the regs about colour, so whilst some colours do not look good to see, they are fine with that.
As you say, its difficult to argue a case, however if the things I have mentioned above are not constantly shown, they are breaking the PSVAR rules.
Megabus are another example.
Many a time I see their vehicles on the motorway, only displaying the destination.
No service number at all.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 25 Mar 2016
(25 Mar 2016, 8:27 am)Andreos1 wrote Megabus are another example.
Many a time I see their vehicles on the motorway, only displaying the destination.
No service number at all.
Would PSVAR apply to Megabus, given that these aren't registered bus services?
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Kuyoyo - 25 Mar 2016
(25 Mar 2016, 8:27 am)Andreos1 wrote Megabus are another example.
Many a time I see their vehicles on the motorway, only displaying the destination.
No service number at all.
Megabus services in England and Wales are not registered with the Traffic Commissioners so therefore do not need to comply with these regulations.
Add to the fact they don't apply to Coaches for another 4 years anyway...
PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Jimmi - 25 Mar 2016
Not really looked at Trent Barton's screens, but one I do disagree with is the new Transdev Yorkshire Coastliner displays which flick between the service number and destination and then changes to just "Coastliner" how are you supposed to tell where the service is heading if "Coastliner" is on the screen? Almost everytime one went past me when I was taking photographs in York last Saturday it would be showing "Coastliner."
Here is the screen showing Coastliner: https://flic.kr/p/FtJgfs
The same applies to the "Tadfaster" service which I saw showing "York fast" and then "Tadfaster."
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Andreos1 - 25 Mar 2016
(25 Mar 2016, 8:58 am)Kuyoyo wrote Megabus services in England and Wales are not registered with the Traffic Commissioners so therefore do not need to comply with these regulations.
Add to the fact they don't apply to Coaches for another 4 years anyway...
I know they aren't and I know they don't.
The point was made, drawing comparison with the examples given in the quoted posts.
PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - MrPottski - 25 Mar 2016
In my opinion, it is good that companies are trying something different, however it's a shame they fall foul of the new regs. I personally think there should be an industry standard to prevent this from happening, so all operators have to have them exactly the same. I think Transdevs Mobitec screens with upward scrolling via points are excellent, and obviously TfL's are second to none.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Davie - 07 Apr 2016
5363's front blind needs fixed.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 07 Apr 2016
(07 Apr 2016, 1:48 pm)Davie wrote 5363's front blind needs fixed.
Could you supply a bit more information and/or photographs?
It was fine on 28th Feb, so I just need something to go to the depot with.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Davie - 07 Apr 2016
(07 Apr 2016, 2:40 pm)Dan wrote Could you supply a bit more information and/or photographs?
It was fine on 28th Feb, so I just need something to go to the depot with.
I have a photograph of it, I'll upload it at the earliest opportunity.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 08 Apr 2016
(07 Apr 2016, 2:40 pm)Dan wrote Could you supply a bit more information and/or photographs?
It was fine on 28th Feb, so I just need something to go to the depot with.
5363 checked five mins ago - no fault found.
RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Andreos1 - 11 Apr 2016
There is a dodgy rear blind on whatever was on the 237 last night.
It seemed to switch on/off every so often.