(12 Jul 2013, 4:10 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote So would it not then make sense to then split the PVR between Gateshead and Percy Main to cover dead mileage. Thus allowing some omnicities to go on the 50.

(12 Jul 2013, 3:31 pm)Kuyoyo wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:18 pm)Andreos1 wrote So.... Not sure it has been mentioned, if deckers are working the Durham Road services, due to the high volume of passengers (remember the Coaster used deckers too) - how are the Omnicities going to cope?

Add this to the problems caused in the past due to traffic congestion - as I said yesterday, this is a backwards step.

Next question, where are the Vykings going? Presumably replacing the remaining Yellow deckers or will they end up elsewhere?

The Coaster went single not long after the 1/2 were originally extended to Wrekenton and Kibblesworth, plus most time I have been to Gateshead recently, the majority of 24 workings have been single decker. The only reason it used the Vykings on the first place was because it was somewhere to put them. Likelihood is they'll be used to replace Tridents on front-line runs (13/14, X22, X25, X30/X31/X70/X71 and X43) which indirectly replaces the Yellow Bus Olympians.

(12 Jul 2013, 4:16 pm)Andreos1 wrote Forgetting about the X1 or the 21 for now.

How many seats per hour are there currently between Harlow Green and Gateshead via Low Fell using the current PVR of Vykings?

How many will there be following the change between Harlow Green and Gateshead via Low Fell using the upcoming PVR using Omnicities?

(12 Jul 2013, 4:42 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 4:16 pm)Andreos1 wrote Forgetting about the X1 or the 21 for now.

How many seats per hour are there currently between Harlow Green and Gateshead via Low Fell using the current PVR of Vykings?

How many will there be following the change between Harlow Green and Gateshead via Low Fell using the upcoming PVR using Omnicities?

The Vykings can hold between 63 and 80 Passengers, that must be 17 standees. so that would be a total of 189 Seats per hour.

The Omnicities i think seat 40 - 45 - so that would be between 120 - 135

So seating difference per hour is between 54 and 69 which is basically a loss of one double decker

(12 Jul 2013, 4:54 pm)Andreos1 wrote Outside of peak time, I can't see that causing too many issues. In peak time, it will be curious to see what happens.

I'm trusting your maths on that one, but the loss of the equivalent of a decker could make a big difference to commuters.

(12 Jul 2013, 3:56 pm)Kuyoyo wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:44 pm)Andreos1 wrote There were branded deckers working the Coaster up until the last couple of years.
Pretty certain they were taken off the route AFTER the Coaster stopped going over the river.

As quoted just on this forum the other day, there are 3 Vykings on the 24 every day.
Just recently I have seen a Tyne Tees Express and whatever that green decker with the bunting painted on has also been on it.

The Newcastle/Gateshead - Low Fell stretch is a heavily used service, especially in peak. The majority of the Angel deckers are empty by the time they get beyond Harlow Green, with the 24 acting as an alternative.
Sticking an Omnicity to relieve the pressure on the Gemini's doesn't make sense.


Edit: Three photos taken a few years apart: www.flickr.com/photos/sjdavison28/4644774814/in/set-72157624147244174 and www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3720948684/ and this one from just two years ago www.flickr.com/photos/35759580@N03/5656822045/

Only 2 remained branded until weeks before the shorting, but the rest were taken off back in 2009 to replace the OmniCitys on the 21! Plus, it's basically means 4 Coasters an hour replace 3 24s an hour.

(12 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm)Daniel wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:56 pm)Kuyoyo wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:44 pm)Andreos1 wrote There were branded deckers working the Coaster up until the last couple of years.
Pretty certain they were taken off the route AFTER the Coaster stopped going over the river.

As quoted just on this forum the other day, there are 3 Vykings on the 24 every day.
Just recently I have seen a Tyne Tees Express and whatever that green decker with the bunting painted on has also been on it.

The Newcastle/Gateshead - Low Fell stretch is a heavily used service, especially in peak. The majority of the Angel deckers are empty by the time they get beyond Harlow Green, with the 24 acting as an alternative.
Sticking an Omnicity to relieve the pressure on the Gemini's doesn't make sense.


Edit: Three photos taken a few years apart: www.flickr.com/photos/sjdavison28/4644774814/in/set-72157624147244174 and www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3720948684/ and this one from just two years ago www.flickr.com/photos/35759580@N03/5656822045/

Only 2 remained branded until weeks before the shorting, but the rest were taken off back in 2009 to replace the OmniCitys on the 21! Plus, it's basically means 4 Coasters an hour replace 3 24s an hour.

Hasn't it also been said that only every other run will go to Wrekenton? Two Coasters per hour to replace three 24s.
Think logic - you'll need more additional branded Coasters to meet the frequency you say. Only need one more (because of the branded spare) if we go with only every other run. Where's there one kicking about that's spare I wonder? Stanley!

(12 Jul 2013, 6:00 pm)Kuyoyo wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm)Daniel wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:56 pm)Kuyoyo wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:44 pm)Andreos1 wrote There were branded deckers working the Coaster up until the last couple of years.
Pretty certain they were taken off the route AFTER the Coaster stopped going over the river.

As quoted just on this forum the other day, there are 3 Vykings on the 24 every day.
Just recently I have seen a Tyne Tees Express and whatever that green decker with the bunting painted on has also been on it.

The Newcastle/Gateshead - Low Fell stretch is a heavily used service, especially in peak. The majority of the Angel deckers are empty by the time they get beyond Harlow Green, with the 24 acting as an alternative.
Sticking an Omnicity to relieve the pressure on the Gemini's doesn't make sense.


Edit: Three photos taken a few years apart: www.flickr.com/photos/sjdavison28/4644774814/in/set-72157624147244174 and www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3720948684/ and this one from just two years ago www.flickr.com/photos/35759580@N03/5656822045/

Only 2 remained branded until weeks before the shorting, but the rest were taken off back in 2009 to replace the OmniCitys on the 21! Plus, it's basically means 4 Coasters an hour replace 3 24s an hour.

Hasn't it also been said that only every other run will go to Wrekenton? Two Coasters per hour to replace three 24s.
Think logic - you'll need more additional branded Coasters to meet the frequency you say. Only need one more (because of the branded spare) if we go with only every other run. Where's there one kicking about that's spare I wonder? Stanley!

4 per hour to Low Fell then 2 to Wrekenton and 2 to Kibblesworth.

(12 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm)Daniel wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:56 pm)Kuyoyo wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:44 pm)Andreos1 wrote There were branded deckers working the Coaster up until the last couple of years.
Pretty certain they were taken off the route AFTER the Coaster stopped going over the river.

As quoted just on this forum the other day, there are 3 Vykings on the 24 every day.
Just recently I have seen a Tyne Tees Express and whatever that green decker with the bunting painted on has also been on it.

The Newcastle/Gateshead - Low Fell stretch is a heavily used service, especially in peak. The majority of the Angel deckers are empty by the time they get beyond Harlow Green, with the 24 acting as an alternative.
Sticking an Omnicity to relieve the pressure on the Gemini's doesn't make sense.


Edit: Three photos taken a few years apart: www.flickr.com/photos/sjdavison28/4644774814/in/set-72157624147244174 and www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3720948684/ and this one from just two years ago www.flickr.com/photos/35759580@N03/5656822045/

Only 2 remained branded until weeks before the shorting, but the rest were taken off back in 2009 to replace the OmniCitys on the 21! Plus, it's basically means 4 Coasters an hour replace 3 24s an hour.

Hasn't it also been said that only every other run will go to Wrekenton? Two Coasters per hour to replace three 24s.
Think logic - you'll need more additional branded Coasters to meet the frequency you say. Only need one more (because of the branded spare) if we go with only every other run. Where's there one kicking about that's spare I wonder? Stanley!

(12 Jul 2013, 7:26 pm)Andreos1 wrote If 2 Coasters are going to Kibblesworth an hour and 2 going to Wrekenton, then I can't see the Waggonway continuing in its present format.

Another network re-launch in Gateshead?

(Blame the wine but...) The 28 and 28a (or 709, 728 or 733) in its original guise took just as long (if not quicker) to get to points beyond Eighton Lodge/The Angel, as the Low Fell services.
Yes, the current DAF's are naff, but for the life of me, I can't understand why they aren't more popular as a local Gateshead service, than they actually are.
Heading down Bensham Bank, locals will wait for a Saltwell Park or Highwayman, even though a 28a is waiting at the stop.
Passengers waiting to get up along Old Durham Road, will prefer a 56 or 57 over a 28 (or X25).

When working in Newcastle or Gateshead in years gone by and needing to be back at Chester or Birtley, I would specifically choose these services, knowing they took a similar time, but were half as crowded.

(12 Jul 2013, 8:43 pm)BJ10VUS wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 7:26 pm)Andreos1 wrote If 2 Coasters are going to Kibblesworth an hour and 2 going to Wrekenton, then I can't see the Waggonway continuing in its present format.

Another network re-launch in Gateshead?

(Blame the wine but...) The 28 and 28a (or 709, 728 or 733) in its original guise took just as long (if not quicker) to get to points beyond Eighton Lodge/The Angel, as the Low Fell services.
Yes, the current DAF's are naff, but for the life of me, I can't understand why they aren't more popular as a local Gateshead service, than they actually are.
Heading down Bensham Bank, locals will wait for a Saltwell Park or Highwayman, even though a 28a is waiting at the stop.
Passengers waiting to get up along Old Durham Road, will prefer a 56 or 57 over a 28 (or X25).

When working in Newcastle or Gateshead in years gone by and needing to be back at Chester or Birtley, I would specifically choose these services, knowing they took a similar time, but were half as crowded.

I think cost may have a slight factor? For example, the 57 is flat £1.45 between Wardley and Gateshead, then £1.95 to Newcastle, so boarding at points between QE Hospital and Newcastle may show that passengers prefer a cetain service. I know the 56 is more expensive than the 57, but I'm not sure about the 28. Also, the 53/54 is flat £1.45 everywhere I think?

(12 Jul 2013, 10:00 pm)AdamY wrote Yet another example of GNE's simplistic pricing structure

(12 Jul 2013, 10:08 pm)BJ10VUS wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 10:00 pm)AdamY wrote Yet another example of GNE's simplistic pricing structure

It's brilliant, isn't it!

It's £2.50 on the 56 from Wrekenton to Gateshead, yet if you get the 51 (which only takes a few minutes longer) it's only £1.45!

I don't find anything simple about it at all! How on earth it's £2.50 from Team Valley to Heworth, but £4.10 return from Middlesbrough to Darlington on the OK1 (according to a response on Facebook)?

(13 Jul 2013, 8:51 am)gtomlinson wrote Pricing structure madness I've discovered doing welfare visits this week around Birtley

Wrekenton Co-Op to Birtley Komatsu on 23 with Stanley Travel is £1.30. With Connect its £1.55 but both tickets allowed through travel to terminus at Barley Mow.

From Coach and Horses to Komatsu £1.30 with Stanley and £1.55 with Connect again. TB14 is a £1. GNE is £1.35 with last stop permitted North Lodge.

My works expense team thought I was making it up!

Re-Andreos. The 728/09/33 and then 28/A. Your right they used to be quicker and still are aside the 28A. Must be trained into heads to ride the big brands

(13 Jul 2013, 10:52 am)gtomlinson wrote No extra ops for the Gala?

Does anyone know what is op the extra X21s?

(13 Jul 2013, 10:33 am)Andreos1 wrote OK SPD on 71. OK Expressway on 50.

(13 Jul 2013, 2:49 pm)Andreos1 wrote The OK Scania was passing Picktree depot just after 11 heading to Durham and the 71 has been the MPD for the majority of the day (saw it in Chester this morning and Houghton this afternoon)

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The OK 71 is heading into Chester now up Ropery Lane if your planning to catch it. A Cadet was also getting into Houghton 10mins ago on an M1

(12 Jul 2013, 6:02 pm)Daniel wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 6:00 pm)Kuyoyo wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 5:50 pm)Daniel wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:56 pm)Kuyoyo wrote

(12 Jul 2013, 3:44 pm)Andreos1 wrote There were branded deckers working the Coaster up until the last couple of years.
Pretty certain they were taken off the route AFTER the Coaster stopped going over the river.

As quoted just on this forum the other day, there are 3 Vykings on the 24 every day.
Just recently I have seen a Tyne Tees Express and whatever that green decker with the bunting painted on has also been on it.

The Newcastle/Gateshead - Low Fell stretch is a heavily used service, especially in peak. The majority of the Angel deckers are empty by the time they get beyond Harlow Green, with the 24 acting as an alternative.
Sticking an Omnicity to relieve the pressure on the Gemini's doesn't make sense.


Edit: Three photos taken a few years apart: www.flickr.com/photos/sjdavison28/4644774814/in/set-72157624147244174 and www.flickr.com/photos/emdjt42/3720948684/ and this one from just two years ago www.flickr.com/photos/35759580@N03/5656822045/

Only 2 remained branded until weeks before the shorting, but the rest were taken off back in 2009 to replace the OmniCitys on the 21! Plus, it's basically means 4 Coasters an hour replace 3 24s an hour.

Hasn't it also been said that only every other run will go to Wrekenton? Two Coasters per hour to replace three 24s.
Think logic - you'll need more additional branded Coasters to meet the frequency you say. Only need one more (because of the branded spare) if we go with only every other run. Where's there one kicking about that's spare I wonder? Stanley!

4 per hour to Low Fell then 2 to Wrekenton and 2 to Kibblesworth.

During the day? Seems a little odd to have two buses serve Kibblesworth during the day when it doesn't happen at present with the 24 (only "Waggonway" 28A, "Nexus" 29 or evening/Sunday only 24A do at the moment)...