(14 May 2022, 4:48 pm)Unber43 wrote if GNE duplicate all of SC routes with cheaper and advertised fares or the same fares im pretty sure they would pick GNE over SC. I know my friends who have to use SC and there family if GNE were to run routes in that area they would 100% switch.

Last time i heart SC in Hartlepool's fleet are dying with mechanics trying there best. SC would probs give GNE Hartlepool and South Sheilds ops for the right money. imo it would be better for passengers.

(16 May 2022, 8:00 pm)F114TML wrote Had a thought about if the Peterlee network could be changed for the better (since there's a few on here think it's at risk). I've numbered the new routes in the 86-89 series so hopefully the marketing/branding people can have a field day with the 80s puns.

62A and 201:
• Merged to form a new half hourly route 88.
• Additional fast journeys between Easington and Bracken Hill provided on route X88 in the peak.

87:
• New route from Horden Station to Wingate, via Town Centre and Shotton Colliery.

89:
• New route between Horden Station and Shotton Hall via Thorntree Gill, Town Centre and Oakerisde, replacing part of routes 209 and 210.

206:
• Renumbered to 86.
• Extended to Horden Station, via Crawford Avenue and Horden Hall.

209 and 210:
• Withdrawn, and replaced by other routes.

Services 86 and 89 interwork. The 87 is timed to co-incide with the trains.

(16 May 2022, 8:06 pm)Unber43 wrote Why 80's? Surely 40's or 60's would be better.

(16 May 2022, 8:12 pm)F114TML wrote I mean, 43, 44, 45 and 46 could work. Really I was just looking on the GNE website for a large enough run of 2-digit numbers (since operators these days hate 3-digits unless it also has a letter, apparently), and found 86-89 free (didn't really fancy having a gap in them, like how it'd be with the 60s: 63, 64, 66, 68). Didn't really want to duplicate any other numbers.

Btw, that map and timetable was drawn up before the latest round of cuts were announced. Only just got round to posting it here.

(16 May 2022, 8:20 pm)Unber43 wrote Fair, I just wondered if there was any history around Peterlee Services and the 80's digits

(16 May 2022, 8:30 pm)F114TML wrote Not that I'm aware of. Actually I think they've always been numbered in the 200-series (certainly have for the last 20 years at least) but GNE's subsequent messing around with it after they bought Jayline has left the area with more non-200-series buses than 200-series buses that it just felt pointless, and given the fact these changes would basically mean the old Jayline network no longer exists, kinda felt a bit wrong numbering them in the 200s.

Here's the 201 in the 90s, for example: https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/image/catalog/N/B/C/-/NBC-21.jpg

(16 May 2022, 8:48 pm)F114TML wrote The 200-series made much more sense when the network looked like this IMO

Plus the DCC-operated 205 and 215.

(16 May 2022, 8:00 pm)F114TML wrote Had a thought about if the Peterlee network could be changed for the better (since there's a few on here think it's at risk). I've numbered the new routes in the 86-89 series so hopefully the marketing/branding people can have a field day with the 80s puns.

62A and 201:
• Merged to form a new half hourly route 88.
• Additional fast journeys between Easington and Bracken Hill provided on route X88 in the peak.

87:
• New route from Horden Station to Wingate, via Town Centre and Shotton Colliery.

89:
• New route between Horden Station and Shotton Hall via Thorntree Gill, Town Centre and Oakerisde, replacing part of routes 209 and 210.

206:
• Renumbered to 86.
• Extended to Horden Station, via Crawford Avenue and Horden Hall.

209 and 210:
• Withdrawn, and replaced by other routes.

Services 86 and 89 interwork. The 87 is timed to co-incide with the trains.

(16 May 2022, 9:31 pm)Storx wrote I understand what your doing here but working with the current operators (I believe they're subsidised anyway) I'd go the opposite route.

With the black route being an extension of the Arriva X21/X22.
The purple route being an extension of the GNE X6
Then a third town service ran by a Mellor going around all the estates than can't fit anything bigger than a Solo.

(Holme Hill would have to walk to the main road)

Town services never work as no-one wants to go to Peterlee at least with these changes your opening new routes like Blackhall to Seaham and Easington to Sedgefield, Darlington and beyond. Your 89 is already covered by the 24 and the 87 is literally the X21/X22 anyway.

(16 May 2022, 9:50 pm)F114TML wrote Replacing the 206 with the X6 is a good shout, actually (and provides a useful service to Sunderland, unlike the half-arsed and desperate extension of the 55). I could've sworn the X21/X22 go on the A19 after Wingate - evidently not.

I'll be honest, the main goals of this were:
Increase links to Bracken Hill (88 provides this serving Horden and Easington, with the X88 for good measure)
Increase links to Horden Station (87 provides this to Shotton and Wingate)
Replace the 209/210 (extension of the 206 sees most of that off although that section could easily be a route in its own right, the 89 only really exists to serve the rest, and to Shotton because there was space left in the timetable).

While we're here, then the X7 went to Oakerside, did it terminate where my 89 does or somewhere else along Durham Way?

(18 May 2022, 6:27 pm)V514DFT wrote Is there not a way where the 25/28s/29 could be merged

(18 May 2022, 6:49 pm)Storx wrote Don't think it's practical personally it'll be too long.

Extending some 21's would argubly be the best and cheapest solution for the 25 if they work together or it'll terminate at CLS with connections.
I can imagine some super route with the 25/82 doing the other half of the route with the 23 being binned off.
Then for 28/29 just the 28A being subsidised which will be an awfully long journey from Ouston but it's better than nothing. There's nothing down Saltwell Park etc either.

(18 May 2022, 7:22 pm)L469 YVK wrote I'd say that the 21 every half hour to Waldridge Park would be better. As for Langley Park, it would depend where the demand lies. If mainly local to CLS, a half hourly or hourly extension of the 21 to Langley Park would be best suited. But if demand is mainly to Newcastle, extending the X30 would be a better option with the X31 also replacing the 6 between Lanchester and Stanley. An extended X30/X31 with a PVR of 5x would also give that reliability buffer too.

(18 May 2022, 8:01 pm)Malarkey wrote I made a few amendments to my initial suggestions following on from the release of the consultation from Go North East.

Angel 21/22

Newcastle – Gateshead – Low Fell – Harlow Green – Wrekenton (22) – Eighton Banks (22) Angel Of The North – Birtley – Portobello (22) Chester-Le-Street
• Runs from Chester-Le-Street through to Arnison Centre/Durham to Brandon would be replaced by new services X22/X23 & X50. (See previous Service Suggestions)
• The 21 would be streamlined to operate between Newcastle and Chester-Le-Street only at a frequency of Every 10 Minutes Monday to Saturday and Every 20 Minutes on a Sunday.
• New Service 22 will replace current service 25 between Newcastle and Chester-Le-Street operating Every 30 Minutes Monday to Saturday and Hourly on a Sunday, this would provide a Bus Every 7/8 Minutes between Newcastle and Low Fell/Barley Mow to Chester-Le-Street


Country Ranger 8
Langley Park – Witton Gilbert – Sacriston – Edmondley - Waldridge - Garden Farm Estate - Chester-le-Street - Pelton - Ouston - Urpeth Grange - Birtley - Portobello - Ayton - Lambton – Washington Galleries - Glebe - Washington Village - Barmston Court – Teal Farm - Waterview Park – Castletown – Sunderland
• Country Ranger Service 8 will be revised and will merge with Little Pinks Service 82 from Washington Galleries to Birtley and will then be extended from Birtley to merge with Services 25/34 through to Waldridge Park and Langley Park creating several new local links.
• The Current section of Service 8 between Washington Galleries and Chester-Le-Street will be replaced by the revised Service 50 so that current links are maintained between Chester-Le-Street, Picktree Village, Rickleton and The Galleries.
• Service 8 will operate Every 30 Minutes Monday to Sundays.
• Current Service 8/25/34 & 82 Withdrawn with section of current route 8 between Stanley and Washington replaced by the X8.



X-Lines X8
Stanley - Beamish - Grange Villa - Pelton - Chester-le-Street - Washington - Waterview Park - Royal Hospital – Sunderland
• Service X8 will be reintroduced covering the section of current Service 8 between Stanley and Chester-Le-Street maintaining current links whilst also providing a faster express service from Chester-Le-Street to Sunderland via Washington, Service X8 will run Every 30 Minutes. Monday to Saturday and Hourly on a Sunday.

(18 May 2022, 8:23 pm)Storx wrote See for your 21/22 I'd do what I was talking about in the other thread but route wise I'd say

21 - Current Route (Every 30 Minutes)
22 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Birtley - Chester Le Street - 25 Route to Langley Park (Every 30 Minutes)
23 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Birtley - 82 Route to Washington (Every 30 Minutes)
24 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Birtley - Ouston - Pelton - Beamish - Stanley (Every 30 Minutes)
25 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Wrekenton (Hourly)
26 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Kibblesworth (Hourly)

Which would result in the following frequencies

Newcastle - Harlow Green, Every 7.5 Minutes with the 25 and 26 running in front of the Durham boards giving 10 buses an hour.
Newcastle - Birtley - Every 7.5 Minutes
Newcastle - Chester Le Street - Every 15 Minutes

You've pretty restored everything that was lost with loss of the 25, 28/28A, 29 and 82 which was worthwhile with lots of new links such as Rickleton to Newcastle, Stanley to Birtley, Ouston and Low Fell, Low Fell to Washington, Quicker service for Ouston and Langley Park etc.

(18 May 2022, 8:01 pm)Storx wrote Not sure the X30 would be the best idea, as you'd leave Sacriston and Witton Gilbert without a service and they're both quite big places really compared to the nothing between Lanchester and Langley Park.

(18 May 2022, 8:23 pm)Storx wrote See for your 21/22 I'd do what I was talking about in the other thread but route wise I'd say

21 - Current Route (Every 30 Minutes)
22 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Birtley - Chester Le Street - 25 Route to Langley Park (Every 30 Minutes)
23 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Birtley - 82 Route to Washington (Every 30 Minutes)
24 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Birtley - Ouston - Pelton - Beamish - Stanley (Every 30 Minutes)
25 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Wrekenton (Hourly)
26 - Newcastle - Low Fell - Harlow Green - Kibblesworth (Hourly)

Which would result in the following frequencies

Newcastle - Harlow Green, Every 7.5 Minutes with the 25 and 26 running in front of the Durham boards giving 10 buses an hour.
Newcastle - Birtley - Every 7.5 Minutes
Newcastle - Chester Le Street - Every 15 Minutes

You've pretty restored everything that was lost with loss of the 25, 28/28A, 29 and 82 which was worthwhile with lots of new links such as Rickleton to Newcastle, Stanley to Birtley, Ouston and Low Fell, Low Fell to Washington, Quicker service for Ouston and Langley Park etc.

(19 May 2022, 9:11 am)Ambassador wrote With that 24 link you've pretty much brought back the old 709/728 routes.

I do think these suggestions are sensible but I think whats more likely is the Nexus tinker the 23 to serve more of Birtley.

There probably is some legs in extending the 34 out of Ouston and along Greenford Lane into Kibblesworth and looping into Birtley to at least give links to a 21/X12/23