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Re: RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Dan - 22 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 12:34 pm)mrnut85 wrote Regardless if a driver has a family or not do they not deserve to have time to enjoy the festive period.They can do if they want to. It is optional in most cases for drivers to work during the festive period, as I said before...
The financial incentive is there for drivers - I'd suggest it's more so a case of management doubting the demand is there for services to be provided...
Re: RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - mrnut85 - 22 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 12:36 pm)Dan wrote They can do if they want to. It is optional in most cases for drivers to work during the festive period, as I said before...Erm I know the only financial benefit is working boxing day, working after 19:00 on Xmas and New Years Eve has no incentives at all
The financial incentive is there for drivers - I'd suggest it's more so a case of management doubting the demand is there for services to be provided...
Re: RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Adrian - 22 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 2:19 pm)mrnut85 wrote Erm I know the only financial benefit is working boxing day, working after 19:00 on Xmas and New Years Eve has no incentives at allIs the early finish on Xmas eve and new years eve contractual? Or is it just claimed as custom and practice?
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - R852 PRG - 22 Nov 2014
2 branded Enviro300s absent from Service 100 today, judging by my observations. 27506/08/10 were all on, but I can only assume the roles of 27507 and 27509 were being filled by ALX300s 22413 and 22346, as they were also on the service today. Were the other two VOR, or just off-route?
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - DavidP - 22 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 2:19 pm)mrnut85 wrote Erm I know the only financial benefit is working boxing day, working after 19:00 on Xmas and New Years Eve has no incentives at all
I have a mate in Yorkshire who is a bus driver and who just hates Christmas and New Year. He's very happy to take as many shifts as he can over that period. Even if there's no direct and immediate financial benefit to him it does actually generate a lot of goodwill from his colleagues with families whose duties he is willing to cover and it means that at other times of the year he can get people to cover his duties when he needs the time off.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Cock Robin - 22 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 12:34 pm)mrnut85 wrote Regardless if a driver has a family or not do they not deserve to have time to enjoy the festive period.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - gtom - 22 Nov 2014
Of course people deserve time off but drivers now work in the service sector. They are no different to shop workers in that respect
The lack of service on Boxing Day and the complete absence on New Years Day show's us up as a backward provincial hickville
Re: RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Adrian - 22 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 4:47 pm)gtom wrote Of course people deserve time off but drivers now work in the service sector. They are no different to shop workers in that respectWe still operate an Xmas eve half day, but we still operate until close using volunteers.
The lack of service on Boxing Day and the complete absence on New Years Day show's us up as a backward provincial hickville
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - tyresmoke - 22 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 5:00 pm)aureolin wrote We still operate an Xmas eve half day, but we still operate until close using volunteers.
I'm not convinced there is any demand for later services on Xmas Eve... Last year I ran the 1810 21A from Peterlee to Stockton and didn't pick a sole up the whole way. There was 4 of us in Peterlee Bus Station at departure time (me and 3 GNE drivers) and we didn't have a single passenger between us.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Simmy - 22 Nov 2014
Stagecoach are running a competition to find some faces to stick on the 'get there with Es' branded E300s... http://www.stagecoachbus.com/Seaside%20Buses%20-%20Face%20Competition.aspx
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Andreos1 - 22 Nov 2014
Has anyone got contact details for Dave the Rave? He would be perfect!
#baseballcap
#wideeyes
#sweaty
#getthereone's
#hashtagsonNEB
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Jimmi - 22 Nov 2014
Has anyone got contact details for Dave the Rave? He would be perfect!I saw him stood outside River Island in Sunderland the other week and he was having a belter of a time.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Adrian - 22 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 11:03 pm)Andreos1 wrote Has anyone got contact details for Dave the Rave? He would be perfect!
#baseballcap
#wideeyes
#sweaty
#getthereone's
#hashtagsonNEB
http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=628&pid=72592#pid72592
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - idiot - 23 Nov 2014
You have it too easy. Your there to provide a service
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Kuyoyo - 23 Nov 2014
Repainting of Stockton's MAN E300s is approaching completion with 24114/5 both now treated as seen below
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - bertibassett - 23 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 6:22 am)Dan wrote I don't think it would be wrong to suggest that not every single driver has a family, though. It is these drivers who could be working to provide a service; of course, this would be voluntary to be on triple their usual wage...There are 2 issues here you have touched upon... Firstly the demand, I remember working the millenium eve until 7:30 and there was absolutely no one around, as well as other eve's including new years eve. yes it may be busy until a certain time but then......nothing. Yes demand is something that certainly isn't there. And secondly, and this is the killer......TRIPLE TIME... You've got a better chance of catching Santa going through your fridge looking for midnight snacks. And to add insult to injury you mentioned....voluntary.....that did make me smile
Assuming these services are commercial - the real question is whether or not there is enough demand to provide a service.
If we were living in different parts of the world were these type of services are 24/7/365 then not an issue as these things do take place but remember we're in Teesside.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - bertibassett - 23 Nov 2014
(22 Nov 2014, 4:47 pm)gtom wrote Of course people deserve time off but drivers now work in the service sector. They are no different to shop workers in that respectI'll remind people that although we work in transport carrying the public, alas we are within the PRIVATE SECTOR and albeit unless you've heard differently, Christmas Day and Boxing Day and New Years Day ARE PUBLIC HOLIDAYS. I've worked in both the Public and Private sectors and believe me in the Public sector were they are passionate about you, you want to see the office clearence around the 20th December till around 3rd January. That's nearly 2 weeks my friend. AND THATS THE PUBLIC SECTOR. If the ticket sales were available to the public you would be surprised at the lack of them during the times you are all complaining about. PRIVATE SECTOR......
The lack of service on Boxing Day and the complete absence on New Years Day show's us up as a backward provincial hickville
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - bertibassett - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 6:45 am)idiot wrote You have it too easy. Your there to provide a service
I've just realised why you have that log on title
Stagecoach North East - Latest - R852 PRG - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 10:56 am)bertibassett wrote I've just realised why you have that log on title
Shots fired (pew pew)
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Kuyoyo - 23 Nov 2014
(08 Nov 2014, 5:39 pm)Kuyoyo wrote After consulting the new timetables, it seems Teesside's Daytime PVR is unchanged from December 1st - but is redistributed:
10/11 requires 5
12/39 requires 12
13 will remain with a PVR of 5
14/34 requires 6 buses
35/52 requires 7 buses
35/58 requires 4 buses
36/37 requires 8 buses
36/38 requires 8 buses
59/61 remains PVR 6
Evening PVR
10A/11A/12/39 will require 6 buses (a 3 hour cycle, meaning 3 buses will run 10A/11A and the other 3 will do 11A/10A), up from the 5 presently used on 12/610/611
36/37/38 depends on how it will work - stand alone would see 36/37 PVR decrease by 1 vehicle (to 4 and 1 respectively) but 1 of the dropped vehicles would move to work 38s (and the other would be the vehicle added to do the 10A/11A/12/39)
52 will remain 2 buses all night
58/59/61 will require 2 buses up from the 1 bus used on the 59
Sunday PVR
At present, all I can suss is 4 vehicles will work 52/58/61 during the day and 1 on the 59 - presumably one vehicle off the 52/58/61 will run onto 58/59/61 on the evening (the vehicle doing 59s appears to go onto 61s at 1802 so presumably the 1820 59 will come off the 1818 arrival on the 52 with the 1809 arrival on the 58 going out as the 1820 52)
Having spoken to a friend who works for them, I now have the full evening PVR breakdown:
36 37 and 38 all stand along with PVRs of 4 1 and 1 respectively.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Michael - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 12:55 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Having spoken to a friend who works for them, I now have the full evening PVR breakdown:
36 37 and 38 all stand along with PVRs of 4 1 and 1 respectively.
Thanks!
How are the passengers liking the new buses?
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Adrian - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 10:55 am)bertibassett wrote I'll remind people that although we work in transport carrying the public, alas we are within the PRIVATE SECTOR and albeit unless you've heard differently, Christmas Day and Boxing Day and New Years Day ARE PUBLIC HOLIDAYS. I've worked in both the Public and Private sectors and believe me in the Public sector were they are passionate about you, you want to see the office clearence around the 20th December till around 3rd January. That's nearly 2 weeks my friend. AND THATS THE PUBLIC SECTOR. If the ticket sales were available to the public you would be surprised at the lack of them during the times you are all complaining about. PRIVATE SECTOR......
To clear something up, and speaking as a senior rep of a public sector union, it's complete fantasy that the public sector has a two week switch off over Christmas. Many departments actually enforce the same leave quotas all year round, and that's been the case for at least the past 10 years. Christmas Eve half day is a custom and practice, and more of an implied term. Even those that have TUPE'd into private sector still retain that, but in both sectors, volunteers are always asked to ensure operational coverage.
Now speaking of custom and practice, that's pretty much what Bank/Public holidays are. The employer is under no obligation to give people time off for these holidays, although some workers may have this written into their contract. Many employers, especially in retail, are now including the Bank/Public holidays as part of the annual leave entitlement. I work in the private sector now, and I get Bank/Public holidays off, but that's simply because our customers aren't working either! It would be utterly pointless to bring the workforce in, and have them taking extra days off, when customers are in. It's different for public transport (whether it be in the public or private sector), as there's always a customer demand. Your customers are off work, and therefore are likely to be wanting to go somewhere.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - benambro - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 1:04 pm)Michael wrote Thanks!
How are the passengers liking the new buses?
''Looks like a new one this one'' said an granny (i presume) on the 11 yesterday. I've heard similar responses on the 35 and 52 when a new bus has been on. I've heard a few complaining on the 36 saying they should have bought deckers. So from I gather a mixed response.
One question I've been wanting to ask is will the 03/54 ALX300's become reserve buses next year?
Re: RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - mrnut85 - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 1:12 pm)aureolin wrote To clear something up, and speaking as a senior rep of a public sector union, it's complete fantasy that the public sector has a two week switch off over Christmas. Many departments actually enforce the same leave quotas all year round, and that's been the case for at least the past 10 years. Christmas Eve half day is a custom and practice, and more of an implied term. Even those that have TUPE'd into private sector still retain that, but in both sectors, volunteers are always asked to ensure operational coverage.Fuck it, might as well tell us we should work Xmas Day as it's only a public holiday
Now speaking of custom and practice, that's pretty much what Bank/Public holidays are. The employer is under no obligation to give people time off for these holidays, although some workers may have this written into their contract. Many employers, especially in retail, are now including the Bank/Public holidays as part of the annual leave entitlement. I work in the private sector now, and I get Bank/Public holidays off, but that's simply because our customers aren't working either! It would be utterly pointless to bring the workforce in, and have them taking extra days off, when customers are in. It's different for public transport (whether it be in the public or private sector), as there's always a customer demand. Your customers are off work, and therefore are likely to be wanting to go somewhere.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Michael - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 3:34 pm)mrnut85 wrote Fuck it, might as well tell us we should work Xmas Day as it's only a public holiday
Might as well have all the schools and offices open to!!
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Adrian - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 3:34 pm)mrnut85 wrote Fuck it, might as well tell us we should work Xmas Day as it's only a public holiday
Nobody is telling you to do anything, so don't get your knickers in a twist man.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - beefcake - 23 Nov 2014
Having used them on the 36 a few times, I have to admit I do like them. They can get a bit busy in Hartlepool, but as they follow the same route as the 6 between the town centre and owton manor lane, that's mainly down to passengers travelling between the 2 points getting whichever turns up first. I also think passenger numbers from Billingham Centre to Middlesbrough might drop when the extra 34 an hour gets introduced.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - Michael - 23 Nov 2014
(20 Nov 2014, 4:23 pm)Michael wrote http://www.stagecoachbus.com/tis-service-update-details.aspx?id=3846 - Christmas and New year buses
Stagecoach in Sunderland buses will be revised, as follows:
Wednesday 24 December - Saturday timetables, but finishing around 1800 – 1830.
Thursday 25 December - No service
Friday 26 December - A limited skeleton service will be operated on Services 3, 4, 10, 11, 13, 16, 20, 23, E2 and E6 only, between approx 1000 - 1800. (other area's will be different)
Saturday 27 December - Normal Saturday timetables.
Sunday 28 December - Normal Sunday timetables.
Monday 29 December - Saturday timetables.
Tuesday 30 December - Saturday timetables.
Wednesday 31 December - Saturday timetables, but finishing around 1800 – 1830.
Thursday 1 January - No service
Friday 2 January - Normal services resume, except for Service 39 which will operate a Saturday timetable.
Timetables aren't yet online
http://www.stagecoachbus.com/uploads/x-sunxma14.pdf - timetables now online - These are for Sunderland services only for Christmas eve, boxing day and New years eve.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - bertibassett - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 12:55 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Having spoken to a friend who works for them, I now have the full evening PVR breakdown:I can shed some light on the daytime running schedule... It would seem the 12/14/34/39 are all going to mix. Even i thought the 14/34 would be best suited but no. Like I said not is all it seems at Stagecoach. Most of the 12/39 will intermix with a 2 hour window to operate them both. ( Rocket Fuel at the ready )
36 37 and 38 all stand along with PVRs of 4 1 and 1 respectively.
RE: Stagecoach North East - Latest - bertibassett - 23 Nov 2014
(23 Nov 2014, 3:36 pm)aureolin wrote Nobody is telling you to do anything, so don't get your knickers in a twist man.I agree with what Aureolin is saying about holidays, my earlier point is simply we are not robots as some people would think. With the new technology which is going to be used at the start of the new year ( as mentioned weeks ago ) everything will be counted and logged. This is a national rollout and it will be interesting to see how long before the next batch of changes are made with either routes or timetables.