(27 Aug 2023, 8:57 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead.

(27 Aug 2023, 9:06 pm)Theboyle92 wrote Well it wouldn't go down well with some drivers of the 56 as during peak times a 57 being in front of you can help with loadings up towards sheriff hill and the Q.E especially on match days or if there's an event on in Newcastle the X1 is already an Express between Gateshead and Q.E why do we need another one?

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(27 Aug 2023, 8:57 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead.

(27 Aug 2023, 10:58 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Its not about Gateshead-Q.E its about faster journeys for people living in Beacon Lough, Felling Square & Leam Lane. This would also include journeys that would be non-stop from Gateshead to Felling Square. 

The attachments are ironically from a GNE competitor point of view but I think their a good enough example.

(27 Aug 2023, 11:40 pm)Theboyle92 wrote I agree with you on that front but what about the people who have been sat on the 56 since hylton castle or sulgrave they too need a faster service into Gateshead and Newcastle, and with the unreliability of the 57 at the moment thats not happening as it will constantly be stopping at every stop from beacon lough into Gateshead to pick up pax who have been waiting for a 57 that is more than likey 15-20 late or cancelled, the entire Gateshead corridors need to be looked at very closely and passenger loading also need to be looked at with what can miss out what estate etc to save time, for me i would have the 56 run limited stop from Wrekenton and increase the 57 to every 15 min in a loop , and personally i would have it after serving Heworth towards Newcastle  have it run along either sunderland Rd or Split Crow Rd improving times from Wardley into Gateshead and have the 57A run the opposite direction towards Beacon Lough/Q.E guaranteeing a bus heading towards Gateshead/Newcastle every 7/8 minutes in some areas.

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(28 Aug 2023, 7:27 am)Storx wrote Not sure Wardley need a quicker service, if they're going to Newcastle they're likely using the Metro at Pelaw already. It's likely the reason it's down to 2 BPH in the first place.

(28 Aug 2023, 10:12 am)ASX_Terranova wrote The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth. 

EDIT: I missed some comments so have amended my post.

(28 Aug 2023, 10:12 am)ASX_Terranova wrote The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth. 

Also, to answer an earlier comment, would it be worth it to introduce short 56's as far as Wrekenton or Springwell Estate.

(28 Aug 2023, 1:56 pm)deanmachine wrote Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening.

(28 Aug 2023, 11:06 am)Storx wrote If you took the 58 out of there, then the 58 would be dead.

The 57 is the problem route, it duplicates the 51/52, 56 and 58 for most of the route but doesn't interwork with it at all now.

Personally I'd be more radical and rewrite the whole lot and have something like

90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes)
91/92 (The Loop): Gateshead to Gatehead | Gateshead - Shipcote - Low Fell - Eighton Banks - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate - Forster Square - Felling - Heworth - Gateshead College - Gateshead (Every 20 Minutes)

56: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 15 Minutes)
58: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
59: Newcastle to Wardley | Newcastle - Gateshead - Dun Hill Road - QE Hospital - Felling - Heworth - Wardley (Every 20 Minutes)

51/52/93/94 - Withdrawn

Combined Corridors:
1/90: Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Team Valley North
56/57: Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Beacon Lough

Map:


As far as I'm aware there's no lost links anywhere but would finally give Newcastle a link to Team Valley and increase the Bensham Road and Old Durham Road corridors which both could do with a frequency increase imo.

(28 Aug 2023, 11:06 am)Storx wrote If you took the 58 out of there, then the 58 would be dead.

The 57 is the problem route, it duplicates the 51/52, 56 and 58 for most of the route but doesn't interwork with it at all now.

Personally I'd be more radical and rewrite the whole lot and have something like

90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes)
91/92 (The Loop): Gateshead to Gatehead | Gateshead - Shipcote - Low Fell - Eighton Banks - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate - Forster Square - Felling - Heworth - Gateshead College - Gateshead (Every 20 Minutes)

56: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 15 Minutes)
58: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
59: Newcastle to Wardley | Newcastle - Gateshead - Dun Hill Road - QE Hospital - Felling - Heworth - Wardley (Every 20 Minutes)

51/52/93/94 - Withdrawn

Combined Corridors:
1/90: Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Team Valley North
56/57: Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Beacon Lough

Map:


As far as I'm aware there's no lost links anywhere but would finally give Newcastle a link to Team Valley and increase the Bensham Road and Old Durham Road corridors which both could do with a frequency increase imo.

(28 Aug 2023, 4:34 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote I like your ideas, but:

57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 30 Minutes)
57A:  Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Wrekenton - Eighton Banks - Springwell Village - Donwell - Blackfell - The Galleries (Every 30 Minutes)
90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Bensham Hospital - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes))
91: Newcastle to Houghton-Le-Spring | Newcastle - Team Valley - Portobello - Vigo Estate - Ayton - Lambton - The Galleries - Biddick - Fatfield - Shiney Row - Success - Newbottle - Burnside Estate - Houghton-Le-Street (Every 30 Mins)
Your 91 & 92 could stay as the 93 & 94

I would also withdraw the X66 and merge that with something.

(28 Aug 2023, 1:56 pm)deanmachine wrote Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening.

(28 Aug 2023, 7:46 pm)Unber43 wrote Why would u withdraw X66, Route Numbering still means something.

(24 Oct 2023, 5:38 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Heres a few suggestions:

Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)

Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)

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Heres a few suggestions:

Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)

Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)

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Heres a few suggestions:

Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)

Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)

(24 Oct 2023, 6:10 pm)Aaron21 wrote 91 seems okay but not sure if sending the 92 would do any good. The 91 doesn't pick up that many people from Team Valley anyway

(27 Oct 2023, 8:18 pm)Storx wrote Aye some fair points but if it was going to lead to cancellations, then it's arguably the 'easiest' route to get arid of without a PR disaster as the vast majority of it is covered by Arriva services, albeit rather infrequent now.

Who knows what I Squared motivations are but if they're going on what they're really talking about, maybe they could be interested in purchasing the depot instead, GNE citing losses, I Squared citing consildation of the Coast Road services or whatever. Could be a good move for both parties. Obviously that depends on I Squared motives though.

Honestly I'm not sure what the point of Saltmeadows is, if I had to be honest. It always just seems like a glorified paint shop... but I might be missing something. I'm not aware of any other company having similar though - at all.

(27 Oct 2023, 10:03 pm)L469 YVK wrote Looking at Percy Main......
- 307 & 309 - GNE could keep
- 327 - GNE could keep
- 1 withdrawn - 97 re-introduced, Stagecoach split 22 into 22 & 22A with 22A following the 1 route between Newcastle and Whitley Bay
- Q3 extended to replace 41/41A
- 352 withdrawn - practically covered by 37
- 353 taken back by Arriva if PVR is reduced owing to ABTRL, increased to every 30 mins
- 354 withdrawn - 359 already does part route
- 355 - withdrawn as 38 already does route

354 replacements:
- 359
- X63 effectively becomes a "356" and does X63 route but via Church Road & Gosforth High Street, terminates at Haymarket

355 replacements:
- 37
- If Arriva still run X7/X8 in some form, made all stops along Matthew Bank

(07 Dec 2023, 11:53 pm)Storx wrote Seen people talking about the X45/47 and it got me thinking how crap they are following each other at one end and being two different brands at the other end for no reason so thought I'd redo the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle buses as below:


I'm not going to list everything as it's above but it's basically

1 (Blue): Curtailed at Whickham
6 (Red): Complete reroute at the Stanley side so Annfield Plain is now connected to the Metro Centre again.
7 (Purple - NEW): Replacement for parts of the 1/6/X71/V5 linking Shotley Bridge, Meadomsley and Burnopfield to Newcastle and the Metro Centre
10A (Aqua): Extended to Crookhall to replace the 47 and V5 serving Shotley Bridge hospital instead
X30/X31: No Changes
X45 (Light Orange): No Changes
X46 (Dark Orange): 47 curtailed at Blackhall again
X71 (Light Green): Reroute to keep Annfield Plain and Watling House links to Newcastle
X72 (Dark Green): Takes on the 6 extension and goes a faster route to give better Stanley to Gateshead links without going to Rome and back.
V5: Withdrawn

Frequencies:
1: Every 15 Minutes
6: Every 30 Minutes
7: Every 30 Minutes
X45: Every 30 Minutes
X46: Every 30 Minutes
X71: Hourly
X72: Hourly

X45/X46: Every 15 Minutes Combined
6/7: Every 15 Minutes Combined
X71/X72: Every 30 Minutes Combined
7/X45: Every 30 Minutes Combined (as best as possible)

I know it would up the PVR a small amount but it would offer a much better service and fix the gaps ie. Annfield Plain to the Metro Centre which currently exist and give most people, at least 2 BPH.

(08 Dec 2023, 7:54 am)Unber43 wrote THe only thing I would change is that the 47 continuted to Consett at every 30 mins but 1bph would go to Castleside the other Shotley Bridge, and the X5/X15 1bph to Shotley Bridge the other to Castleside (or you could do this with the X71)

(08 Dec 2023, 8:34 am)Unber43 wrote 96 feels like a route which is the remains of a longer route with either ends cut off.

Maybe an hourly extension to Kimblesworth

(08 Dec 2023, 8:09 am)Storx wrote No real need for the 47 to go through it takes too long imo. X71 to Castleside wouldn't be a bad idea though to be fair maybe running direct omitting The Grove.

You could do something with the 16 though which has been replaced by the 10A extension. Not sure what though mind. 

Another potentially controversial thing I'd be tempted to do is:
1: Whickham to Whitley Bay (Every 30 Minutes)
1A: Metro Centre to Whitley Bay (Every 30 Minutes)

1/1A: Every 15 minutes Lonely Hill to Whitley Bay with the 1A being the 96 from there to the Metro Centre. 

There's no real lost links but it makes the 96 actually useful rather than just existing like now.