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RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 16 Jul 2025
(16 Jul 2025, 3:01 pm)Adrian wrote Chronicle article has a quote from Stagecoach: "A Stagecoach spokesperson said: 'We have developed a proposal in collaboration with Nexus which could provide a half-hourly bus link to Cleadon Park. This would be delivered through a combination of two bus routes, services 12 and 13 (each running hourly).'"
So they've cut the service, resisted the uproar it's created locally, and then just been handed public money to provide an additional service to make up the half hour frequency? Has this even gone through a competitive tender exercise?
Nothing ever changes does it?
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - 54APhotography - 16 Jul 2025
(16 Jul 2025, 6:53 pm)Andreos1 wrote Nothing ever changes does it?
Well the 13 route does seem similar to the 516, a service drawn from the subsidised one?
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 16 Jul 2025
(16 Jul 2025, 3:01 pm)Adrian wrote Chronicle article has a quote from Stagecoach: "A Stagecoach spokesperson said: 'We have developed a proposal in collaboration with Nexus which could provide a half-hourly bus link to Cleadon Park. This would be delivered through a combination of two bus routes, services 12 and 13 (each running hourly).'"
So they've cut the service, resisted the uproar it's created locally, and then just been handed public money to provide an additional service to make up the half hour frequency? Has this even gone through a competitive tender exercise?
To be fair isn't this the point of the partnership though? If it does involve the 516, then it's a good move imo. There's plenty other contracts around which don't go up for tender, especially evening and Sunday services.
It's certainly better than the other operator who just drops everything and then wins the contracts back on routes they ditched. To make it even worse, then when they lose the same contract, miraculously the bus is commercially viable again like the 67 and 69.
Personally I wish we seen more stuff like this, a partnership has to work both ways imo.
Mind that said, if it does go in that direction, I don't really understand why it's not being ran as a loop rather than two buses terminating in the middle of nowhere. The links to the seafront, could be popular from areas it serves.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Ds1197 - 17 Jul 2025
The 12 and the new 13 will both be hourly loop services departing what I'll can twice an hour and serving The Lonnen every 30 minutes
The 12/13 will essentially replace the 516 between Century Avenue (Harton Nook) and the interchange.
The half half of the loop will be more or less the current 12 route
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Economic505 - 17 Jul 2025
(17 Jul 2025, 8:30 pm)Ds1197 wrote The 12 and the new 13 will both be hourly loop services departing what I'll can twice an hour and serving The Lonnen every 30 minutes
The 12/13 will essentially replace the 516 between Century Avenue (Harton Nook) and the interchange.
The half half of the loop will be more or less the current 12 route
Does the 516 continue?
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Ds1197 - 18 Jul 2025
(17 Jul 2025, 10:38 pm)Economic505 wrote Does the 516 continue?
No it's getting replaced by the 12/13
Half the route will be comically operated the other half secured by Nexus
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 18 Jul 2025
(17 Jul 2025, 10:38 pm)Economic505 wrote Does the 516 continue?
Confirmed on VOSA now.
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Cancellation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 516 South Shields Interchange South Tyneside District Hospital
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 12 Two Ball Lonnen Walker or Wallsend
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 39 (40) Chapel House or Dumpling Hall Wallsend or Walker
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 87 (72A, 71, 72) Grainger Street North Walbottle, Chapel House or Newbiggin Hall
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 63 (62) Killingworth Throckley, North Walbottle or Middle Callerton
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 18 Benton Estate or Quorum Walker
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 11 (10) Chapel House or West Denton Park North Kenton
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 12 (13) South Shields Town Centre South Shields The Lonnen
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Superman - 18 Jul 2025
(16 Jul 2025, 8:28 pm)Storx wrote It's certainly better than the other operator who just drops everything and then wins the contracts back on routes they ditched.
You're still talking about Stagecoach, right?
(See Services 13 & 35 in Stockton and 3 in Hartlepool. TLDR - Stagecoach told TVCA they will cancel them, TVCA fully tender them, Stagecoach win them.)
Really the question should be, where is the scrutiny on allowing BSIP funds to be used in this way?
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - F114TML - 18 Jul 2025
(18 Jul 2025, 4:03 pm)Superman wrote You're still talking about Stagecoach, right?
(See Services 13 & 35 in Stockton and 3 in Hartlepool. TLDR - Stagecoach told TVCA they will cancel them, TVCA fully tender them, Stagecoach win them.)
Really the question should be, where is the scrutiny on allowing BSIP funds to be used in this way?
Even so, Stagecoach are far from being the worst offender
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Economic505 - 18 Jul 2025
(18 Jul 2025, 4:03 pm)Superman wrote You're still talking about Stagecoach, right?
(See Services 13 & 35 in Stockton and 3 in Hartlepool. TLDR - Stagecoach told TVCA they will cancel them, TVCA fully tender them, Stagecoach win them.)
Really the question should be, where is the scrutiny on allowing BSIP funds to be used in this way?
The Hartlepool service 3 isn’t subsidised. It’s a commercial operation. Check VOSA.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - stagecoachbusdepot - 18 Jul 2025
(18 Jul 2025, 5:18 pm)Economic505 wrote The Hartlepool service 3 isn’t subsidised. It’s a commercial operation. Check VOSA.
As mentioned here it was proposed to be cut and is becoming subsidised via TVCA BSIP https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/travel/service-updates/
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - tyresmoke - 18 Jul 2025
(18 Jul 2025, 4:03 pm)Superman wrote You're still talking about Stagecoach, right?
(See Services 13 & 35 in Stockton and 3 in Hartlepool. TLDR - Stagecoach told TVCA they will cancel them, TVCA fully tender them, Stagecoach win them.)
Really the question should be, where is the scrutiny on allowing BSIP funds to be used in this way?
I don’t think they were tendered, just an emergency contract to keep them running. Everything is up for tender in April though…!
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Superman - 19 Jul 2025
(18 Jul 2025, 10:27 pm)tyresmoke wrote I don’t think they were tendered, just an emergency contract to keep them running. Everything is up for tender in April though…!
Emergency contact initially yes, but they have just been competitively retendered until the end of March, so my point still applies.
https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/032301-2025
https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/032122-2025
https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/032118-2025
Stagecoach have retained them all, but with a nice big cheque behind them.
(18 Jul 2025, 5:18 pm)Economic505 wrote The Hartlepool service 3 isn’t subsidised. It’s a commercial operation. Check VOSA.
I love how you can be so confidently wrong.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Economic505 - 19 Jul 2025
(19 Jul 2025, 9:45 am)Superman wrote Emergency contact initially yes, but they have just been competitively retendered until the end of March, so my point still applies.
https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/032301-2025
https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/032122-2025
https://www.find-tender.service.gov.uk/Notice/032118-2025
Stagecoach have retained them all, but with a nice big cheque behind them.
I love how you can be so confidently wrong.
Sorry Superman aka Clark Kent. I defer to your Daily Planet knowledge . Still, I wouldn’t bash SNE , they are the least worst offenders.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 19 Jul 2025
(18 Jul 2025, 4:03 pm)Superman wrote You're still talking about Stagecoach, right?
(See Services 13 & 35 in Stockton and 3 in Hartlepool. TLDR - Stagecoach told TVCA they will cancel them, TVCA fully tender them, Stagecoach win them.)
Really the question should be, where is the scrutiny on allowing BSIP funds to be used in this way?
Truthfully forgot about those, if I was being honest. Ironic speaking of the 35, there's that, the 18 and the 32/32A in the Newcastle area tbf which I also forgot about.
Agreed on the BSIP funds being used like that though, it's just not what it should be used for as it was meant to be about growing the network and spending it on existing services doesn't do that imo.
The 1/30/31/36(SNE), 21/56(GoNorthEast) and X16(Arriva) is the worst of the worst for it though, least stuff like this new 12/13 in South Shields is opening new links and improving an existing tendered route which might one day become commercially viable. It shouldn't be used to increase existing frequent corridors when there's streets a few streets across without an evening bus service to Newcastle (reference to Portobello in Birtley here), it's just so wrong imo.
I'm not a betting man but I'd be fairly confident that someone isn't using the 1 or 21 because it was every 10 minutes instead of 7.5 minutes. It's neglible.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - deanmachine - 20 Jul 2025
Was it the 13/14 that used to go down Centenary Avenue in the 90s/early 00s, in the Mercedes minibuses? I remember making my Nanna getting one from the Market because I knew it stopped close to my house, and she was furious with me at how long it took to get to the Nook.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - LVK 404L - 20 Jul 2025
(20 Jul 2025, 12:17 am)deanmachine wrote Was it the 13/14 that used to go down Centenary Avenue in the 90s/early 00s, in the Mercedes minibuses? I remember making my Nanna getting one from the Market because I knew it stopped close to my house, and she was furious with me at how long it took to get to the Nook.
Could have been any of 10/10A/11/11A/13/13A/14/14A. They did that many variations at the time.
Also the 9 went down Centenary during its short lived time.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - missedbus - 20 Jul 2025
(20 Jul 2025, 6:22 am)LVK 404L wrote Could have been any of 10/10A/11/11A/13/13A/14/14A. They did that many variations at the time.
Also the 9 went down Centenary during its short lived time.
I remember the 10/10A and 11/11A running during the week and 13A/14A evening & Sundays.
In the mid 90s I seem to recall the 10 serving Beach Road, Bamburgh Avenue, Lincoln Road and Marsden, and the 10A serving the sea front, Westcott Avenue & Centenary Avenue before arriving at the Nook. They then served Harton Moor Estate and the Hospital, then Whiteleas, Biddick Hall (10 via Masefield Drive), Simonside, the Hospital again, then back to the Market via Chichester and Laygate. 11/11A in opposite direction. Total running time for all variants about 55 minutes.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 05 Aug 2025
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Cancellation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 525 Whitburn Academy Nevinson Avenue
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Cancellation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 115 Newbiggin Hall Callerton Academy
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Cancellation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 452 Sunderland Round Robin St Roberts RC Academy
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Cancellation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 516 South Shields Interchange South Tyneside District Hospital
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Cancellation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 960 South Shields Interchange Waterview Park
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New BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 116 Gosforth East Middle School Wideopen
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - michael_kelly - 05 Aug 2025
Who's taking over the 960
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - S830OFT - 06 Aug 2025
(20 Jul 2025, 6:22 am)LVK 404L wrote Could have been any of 10/10A/11/11A/13/13A/14/14A. They did that many variations at the time.
Also the 9 went down Centenary during its short lived time.
I believe during 2008/09 they had the 10/11 between South Shields and Low Simonside & the 13/14 between South Shields and Jarrow, with the 18A extending from Brockley Whins to Jarrow on an evening. No idea on exact routes, but the route seemed to have changed to the 10/11 in June 2010.
Edit - Seemed the 18A was a short lived service by Nexus due to the 26 (88/88A) only operating daytime only at one point. Also seemed the 30/X20 were previously contracted by Nexus on an evening, as there are pictures of Citaros on the X20 leaving South Shields for Fellgate & Darts on the 30.
The allocation seemed to have changed quickly as after the Dash Darts up until 2009, went to ALX200s, Pointer 2 Darts, MAN E200s & to the E200s in late 2011, which remain to this day. Although that is likely down to Nexus setting an emission standard between Jarrow & Low Simonside, which was originally for Euro 4 upwards, then changed to Euro 5, which overnight banned the MAN's from being used.
Despite the route being such a long run, it's obvious it's not designed for people going from end to end, but rather connecting all the places in-between...
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - V514DFT - 07 Aug 2025
(06 Aug 2025, 10:52 pm)S830OFT wrote I believe during 2008/09 they had the 10/11 between South Shields and Low Simonside & the 13/14 between South Shields and Jarrow, with the 18A extending from Brockley Whins to Jarrow on an evening. No idea on exact routes, but the route seemed to have changed to the 10/11 in June 2010.Yeah would of been 2010, thats when the 13/14 was withdrawn in its entirety, I remember doing a delivery in South Shields for the Cash and Carry I worked, that was October 2009, and en-route back to the Tunnel I saw one of the 04 reg Darts on the 14 back to Jarrow, but then when I came back from my brief spell in Northampton, I decided to skive from College one day (roughly a year after I saw the 14 that time) I wanted to ride the 13/14, but it had gone, I think in parts it was replaced by the 5/88/88A (GNE) and the 10/11 (Stagecoach), seems like all the bus companies were making duff decisions that year, Arriva pretty much nuked their network, I believe it might of been roughly the same time GNE decided to withdraw the 87 and 89
Edit - Seemed the 18A was a short lived service by Nexus due to the 26 (88/88A) only operating daytime only at one point. Also seemed the 30/X20 were previously contracted by Nexus on an evening, as there are pictures of Citaros on the X20 leaving South Shields for Fellgate & Darts on the 30.
The allocation seemed to have changed quickly as after the Dash Darts up until 2009, went to ALX200s, Pointer 2 Darts, MAN E200s & to the E200s in late 2011, which remain to this day. Although that is likely down to Nexus setting an emission standard between Jarrow & Low Simonside, which was originally for Euro 4 upwards, then changed to Euro 5, which overnight banned the MAN's from being used.
Despite the route being such a long run, it's obvious it's not designed for people going from end to end, but rather connecting all the places in-between...
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Retro Nero - 12 Aug 2025
Service 12 & 13 timetable and route map is now on Stagecoach Website/App
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 13 Aug 2025
Changes to Newcastle services 10, 11, 18, 71, 72, 72A and 87 from Monday 1 September 2025
https://www.stagecoachbus.com/service-updates/serviceupdatesarticle?SituationId=ID-11/08/2025-09:46:15:159
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - V514DFT - 07 Sep 2025
Was meant to ask before the last lot of changes, whats actually the crack with the 12/13, i assume the 13 doesnt run on Sundays
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - missedbus - 07 Sep 2025
(07 Sep 2025, 5:14 pm)V514DFT wrote Was meant to ask before the last lot of changes, whats actually the crack with the 12/13, i assume the 13 doesnt run on Sundays
It does but just the bit that used to be the 12, in other words it runs to The Lonnen as the 13 and back into Shields as the 12, the same as early mornings and evenings.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 20 Sep 2025
Changes in for Sunderland and South Shields for 2nd November:
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 11 (10) Pennywell Grangetown
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 3 (13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 18 South Shields Interchange Brockley Whins
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 2 (4, 3, 1) South Shields Town Centre Biddick Hall Estate
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4 Downhill Doxford Park
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 30 South Shields Interchange Boldon
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 7 (8) South Shields Interchange Marsden
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 Red House Estate Hastings Hill
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - LVK 404L - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 8:03 am)Michael wrote Changes in for Sunderland and South Shields for 2nd November:Hmm, wonder what's changing in Shields as they just had the big revision to 3/4 etc not so long ago
PB0002404/41
Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 10 (11) South Shields Interchange Jarrow Bus Station
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 11 (10) Pennywell Grangetown
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 3 (13) Town End Farm, Hylton Castle Doxford Park, Farringdon
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 2 (4, 3, 1) South Shields Town Centre Biddick Hall Estate
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 4 Downhill Doxford Park
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 30 South Shields Interchange Boldon
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 7 (8) South Shields Interchange Marsden
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Variation BUSWAYS TRAVEL SERVICES LTD 16 Red House Estate Hastings Hill
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - F114TML - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 10:58 am)LVK 404L wrote Hmm, wonder what's changing in Shields as they just had the big revision to 3/4 etc not so long ago
If I had to guess it'll be timing adjustments.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 20 Sep 2025
(20 Sep 2025, 8:09 pm)F114TML wrote If I had to guess it'll be timing adjustments.
Hopefully might add a extra bus on to the 16 because the service is shocking atm.