(04 Apr 2024, 9:07 pm)L469 YVK wrote You do have some really good ideas.

Ideally, Arriva's withdrawal in North Tyneside should've been the case of Nexus sitting down with GNE, Stagecoach and where applicable Arriva to try and work out a clean set of commercial (or subsidised where needed) local / secondary services. But no, same old duplication issues such as the 37 & 352 and 38 & 355 and 354 & X63.

(04 Apr 2024, 9:20 pm)Andreos1 wrote Was it the Wiltshire Drive bit that sold it to you?

(04 Apr 2024, 9:34 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote How many different buses have served this over the years, i know the 307 did, arriva had another X8 & X9 for a while. I'm not local to this area so I only know whats on the nexus area maps.

(05 Apr 2024, 8:58 am)Andreos1 wrote There's been a few and if a certain member had his way, a few more. 

But, what's key is that nothing ever seems to work. 
Would love to know why. I've a feeling it's because not everyone needs or wants to go the places the bus operators insist on serving. So patronage is low. 
But that's for another thread and I don't want to sound like a broken record.

(04 Apr 2024, 9:20 pm)Andreos1 wrote Was it the Wiltshire Drive bit that sold it to you?

(05 Apr 2024, 9:06 am)ASX_Terranova wrote I'm assuming most people want to go into Newcastle. Other than that you probably need ticket data for a decent answer. 

Are the days of longer but direct i.e 185/186 gone now

(05 Apr 2024, 9:06 am)ASX_Terranova wrote I'm assuming most people want to go into Newcastle. Other than that you probably need ticket data for a decent answer. 

Are the days of longer but direct i.e 185/186 gone now

(05 Apr 2024, 6:51 pm)Storx wrote Silverlink is probably the biggest place but there's very very few buses which serve the place. From the East of the A19, other than the 19 which avoids everywhere there's arguably no bus service at all. I know some will say the 306/308 serve it but it's a long walk, crossing roundabouts, and is partially dark and very unpleasant. It's also a fair hike if you're heading to the restaurants, M&S or the cinema aswell.

Where most people don't want to go to is North Shields and also Blyth which for some reason has 6 buses an hour, and you can build as many expensive bus stations and force every bus to the place but that won't change anything as there's simply nothing there at all and the place is as unpleasant as it gets.

You can't even get a bus to the beach at Tynemouth, or Tynemouth at all really, from the vast majority of places, unless you live on the 306 route since everything terminates at Whitley Bay.

(05 Apr 2024, 7:03 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote I was thinking about the 307 & 309 into a loop service like when they were the 75 & 76. But if people from Seaton Sluice and Blyth work at Cobalt then maybe not.

EDIT: Extend the 41/41A to Tynemouth but avoiding North Shields, maybe via High Flatworth, Silverlink, Cobalt, NT Hospital & Preston Grange. (Got a feeling I may have suggested this before)

(05 Apr 2024, 7:10 pm)Storx wrote Personally I'd always love to see a resurrected 325/326 but adapted to serve what's wanted now rather than what was wanted in 1980, maybe something like https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.0138557,-1.496939/55.0143623,-1.4971917/@55.0207131,-1.4750766,13.71z/data=!4m59!4m58!1m55!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4733754!2d55.0101014!3s0x487e6e44df69b289:0x5596b563caa0202!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4576715!2d55.0108373!3s0x487e6ef626025fb9:0xfa1c3064a83ecf46!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4397048!2d55.0078079!3s0x487e6ee588045fe9:0xa3c18dbf5c16c0ef!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4266444!2d55.023469!3s0x487e6ebe96b54b21:0x1160c2ec10e7957c!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4532669!2d55.0254205!3s0x487e6e89473f4b41:0xdd662f404c777928!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4412866!2d55.0326761!3s0x487e6e9bacea9409:0x5471bf96b77a43ba!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4347162!2d55.0359078!3s0x487e6e9f2f78acf3:0x3ce5deaa2872dc45!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4483078!2d55.0451678!3s0x487e6c28c03877c1:0xaa3315345b9aea4f!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4708059!2d55.0379306!3s0x487e6e785181cf5b:0x3fb030f7b67ffbba!3m4!1m2!1d-1.486098!2d55.0208519!3s0x487e6e152ac85b6b:0xc9a428bbff119a37!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5024741!2d55.026952!3s0x487e6e1ae52d87e1:0xe8aaea8acba92fbe!1m0!3e0?entry=ttu

There's so many places on the route ie:
Whitley Bay
Cullercoats
Tynemouth
Tynemouth Longsands
North Shields
North Shields Fish Quay
North Shields Ferry
Monkseaton
Cobalt
Silverlink
ALDI North Shields
Tesco Norham Road
Morrisons Preston Grange
LIDL Rake Lane
Boundary Mill (short walk)
Coast Road Retail Park

It's arguably all the destinations where people local would actually need to be and want to go east of the A19. It would also utilise the 306 resource between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay. It's just a completely new route so would just have to be an addition. With good marketing and a reasonable frequency, I could see it being quite popular. Especially the Ferry to Whitley Bay section in the Summer.

(05 Apr 2024, 10:01 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Were the 325/326 (later 85/86) well used services. Were they always every 20 mins each way.

(05 Apr 2024, 10:43 pm)Storx wrote Used to be alright at one point, but they never really updated the route though so it missed places like Silverlink, and continued to serve Norham Road instead so it started to die for it to replaced by the 310 (now 307) and the rest of the route pretty much binned off completely. Rake Lane was horribly saturated for buses at the time aswell with that, the 308 and 309 all running. You also still had all sorts of local services like the 81 etc still running aswell.

Used to be every 30 minutes though from what I can remember, combining with the 315/316 (the Newcastle boards) to create a 15 minute service from Norham Road to Norham Road (basically both sides of the Coast Road). It may have been more frequent though.

North Tyneside has been completely butchered over the years though, as an understatement.

Btw: https://www.nexus.org.uk/sites/default/files/documents/news/Bus%20W3%20timetable%20and%20map.pdf - That was the Nexus replacement for the other half for a bit but that route really didn't make sense as it went from Whitley Bay to completely no-where with excluding the hospital, pretty much nothing inbetween.

(06 Apr 2024, 2:13 pm)V514DFT wrote See if the 325/326 made a comeback now it could easily see off the 19 and 41/41A, and you're right, the 309 and 310 killed off the 85/86, it worked less when the 75/76 stopped being circulars so the combining never really worked afterwards, and the W3 was a farce

(05 Apr 2024, 7:10 pm)Storx wrote Personally I'd always love to see a resurrected 325/326 but adapted to serve what's wanted now rather than what was wanted in 1980, maybe something like https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.0138557,-1.496939/55.0143623,-1.4971917/@55.0207131,-1.4750766,13.71z/data=!4m59!4m58!1m55!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4733754!2d55.0101014!3s0x487e6e44df69b289:0x5596b563caa0202!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4576715!2d55.0108373!3s0x487e6ef626025fb9:0xfa1c3064a83ecf46!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4397048!2d55.0078079!3s0x487e6ee588045fe9:0xa3c18dbf5c16c0ef!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4266444!2d55.023469!3s0x487e6ebe96b54b21:0x1160c2ec10e7957c!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4532669!2d55.0254205!3s0x487e6e89473f4b41:0xdd662f404c777928!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4412866!2d55.0326761!3s0x487e6e9bacea9409:0x5471bf96b77a43ba!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4347162!2d55.0359078!3s0x487e6e9f2f78acf3:0x3ce5deaa2872dc45!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4483078!2d55.0451678!3s0x487e6c28c03877c1:0xaa3315345b9aea4f!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4708059!2d55.0379306!3s0x487e6e785181cf5b:0x3fb030f7b67ffbba!3m4!1m2!1d-1.486098!2d55.0208519!3s0x487e6e152ac85b6b:0xc9a428bbff119a37!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5024741!2d55.026952!3s0x487e6e1ae52d87e1:0xe8aaea8acba92fbe!1m0!3e0?entry=ttu

There's so many places on the route ie:
Whitley Bay
Cullercoats
Tynemouth
Tynemouth Longsands
North Shields
North Shields Fish Quay
North Shields Ferry
Monkseaton
Cobalt
Silverlink
ALDI North Shields
Tesco Norham Road
Morrisons Preston Grange
LIDL Rake Lane
Boundary Mill (short walk)
Coast Road Retail Park

It's arguably all the destinations where people local would actually need to be and want to go east of the A19. It would also utilise the 306 resource between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay. It's just a completely new route so would just have to be an addition. With good marketing and a reasonable frequency, I could see it being quite popular. Especially the Ferry to Whitley Bay section in the Summer.

(06 Apr 2024, 8:08 pm)DaveFromUpNorth wrote I would link this to be a circular say from cobalt straight down to silverlink (bus stop behind cinema then mcd bus stop then at silverlink roundabout up and down coast road for Smiths then back up stop at the stop at holy cross then down the next ramp on coast road under bridge and right and loop back up along battlehill drive past the college and shops and either right at Smyths then left back on the coast road to silverlink (loop round Hadrian Park is optional)

(06 Apr 2024, 8:43 pm)Storx wrote Interesting idea that and I agree with the Tyne Met link, maybe could do something like this https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.010733,-1.4573435/55.020406,-1.5056916/@55.0129614,-1.4987537,4552m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m39!4m38!1m35!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4673708!2d55.0097215!3s0x487e6e5a4f4b130b:0x96eb0906a65462f!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4733798!2d55.0101001!3s0x487e6e44df69b289:0x5596b563caa0203!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4789798!2d55.0015087!3s0x487e6e4be40f8513:0x3078bcc00601236d!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4950211!2d55.0133123!3s0x487e6e3c7ae34b03:0x5d419a49d0b64d5d!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5075313!2d55.0075146!3s0x487e6e260842fc9d:0x3cbc0be474b96c97!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5039444!2d55.0105204!3s0x487e6e2448e3581d:0xe5a277bd2a4e3ce2!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4993078!2d55.0150126!3s0x487e6e232ccff967:0x312647957a5aec98!1m0!3e2?entry=ttu instead though.

Would give better links to Tyne Trading Estate which is horrific to get to currently and still serve the college aswell. You'd also give a bus to the bottom end of Norham Road which is currently busless especially with the new housing developments. Think the full loop would be a bit annoying if you were going say from North Cobalt to Verne Road etc. and Battle Hill has more than enough buses tbh.

(06 Apr 2024, 9:44 pm)DaveFromUpNorth wrote See Battlehill Drive I would argue there is not enough to obscure destinations. It's a high frequency route. 

Overtime create Battlehill shops area as a connector for multiple services it also means if you need to wait 15 min during the day a quick pop to greggs tesco Dickson lidl etc it's a quick connector as oppose to places like Willington Square  or myshanghi or chilli Road and coast road with those underpassess. Even rake lane hospital tbh if you need to wait 30min for a bus there is nothing there least you can wonder round lidl for 20mins at battlehill.

I think there is also a lost opportunity and being brutally honest I wouldn't know how to get to cramlington hospital by bus!

A lot of North Tyneside can get to Rake Lane but that is a feeder hospital to Cramlington battlehill has links to freeman (although I would send that 653 to Hadrian Park to serve all of battlehill to freeman and give links to lidl for shopping for that estate it drives round.

In London the transport infrastructure is clever. It often has terminuses at supermarkets or name drops them as a specific location so customers immediately recognize I know where that is. 

It's marketing that needs to be turned on its head so brand names are easily recognizable

(05 Apr 2024, 7:10 pm)Storx wrote Personally I'd always love to see a resurrected 325/326 but adapted to serve what's wanted now rather than what was wanted in 1980, maybe something like https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.0138557,-1.496939/55.0143623,-1.4971917/@55.0207131,-1.4750766,13.71z/data=!4m59!4m58!1m55!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4733754!2d55.0101014!3s0x487e6e44df69b289:0x5596b563caa0202!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4576715!2d55.0108373!3s0x487e6ef626025fb9:0xfa1c3064a83ecf46!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4397048!2d55.0078079!3s0x487e6ee588045fe9:0xa3c18dbf5c16c0ef!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4266444!2d55.023469!3s0x487e6ebe96b54b21:0x1160c2ec10e7957c!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4532669!2d55.0254205!3s0x487e6e89473f4b41:0xdd662f404c777928!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4412866!2d55.0326761!3s0x487e6e9bacea9409:0x5471bf96b77a43ba!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4347162!2d55.0359078!3s0x487e6e9f2f78acf3:0x3ce5deaa2872dc45!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4483078!2d55.0451678!3s0x487e6c28c03877c1:0xaa3315345b9aea4f!3m4!1m2!1d-1.4708059!2d55.0379306!3s0x487e6e785181cf5b:0x3fb030f7b67ffbba!3m4!1m2!1d-1.486098!2d55.0208519!3s0x487e6e152ac85b6b:0xc9a428bbff119a37!3m4!1m2!1d-1.5024741!2d55.026952!3s0x487e6e1ae52d87e1:0xe8aaea8acba92fbe!1m0!3e0?entry=ttu

There's so many places on the route ie:
Whitley Bay
Cullercoats
Tynemouth
Tynemouth Longsands
North Shields
North Shields Fish Quay
North Shields Ferry
Monkseaton
Cobalt
Silverlink
ALDI North Shields
Tesco Norham Road
Morrisons Preston Grange
LIDL Rake Lane
Boundary Mill (short walk)
Coast Road Retail Park

It's arguably all the destinations where people local would actually need to be and want to go east of the A19. It would also utilise the 306 resource between Tynemouth and Whitley Bay. It's just a completely new route so would just have to be an addition. With good marketing and a reasonable frequency, I could see it being quite popular. Especially the Ferry to Whitley Bay section in the Summer.

(06 Apr 2024, 10:03 pm)V514DFT wrote Bit like in the PTE days when there was the inner circle, and outer circle

(06 Apr 2024, 9:44 pm)DaveFromUpNorth wrote See Battlehill Drive I would argue there is not enough to obscure destinations. It's a high frequency route. 

Overtime create Battlehill shops area as a connector for multiple services it also means if you need to wait 15 min during the day a quick pop to greggs tesco Dickson lidl etc it's a quick connector as oppose to places like Willington Square  or myshanghi or chilli Road and coast road with those underpassess. Even rake lane hospital tbh if you need to wait 30min for a bus there is nothing there least you can wonder round lidl for 20mins at battlehill.

I think there is also a lost opportunity and being brutally honest I wouldn't know how to get to cramlington hospital by bus!

A lot of North Tyneside can get to Rake Lane but that is a feeder hospital to Cramlington battlehill has links to freeman (although I would send that 653 to Hadrian Park to serve all of battlehill to freeman and give links to lidl for shopping for that estate it drives round.

In London the transport infrastructure is clever. It often has terminuses at supermarkets or name drops them as a specific location so customers immediately recognize I know where that is. 

It's marketing that needs to be turned on its head so brand names are easily recognizable

(12 Apr 2024, 5:08 pm)GrahamD83 wrote Just been looking at the 2 / 2A route and wondering would it make more sense if this route was a circular service? It could continue from Silksworth to Washington via East Herrington and Shiney Row, and maybe call at Doxford business park. 

The 42 (and later the X90) covered this route for a number of years in the 1990s/2000s.

Apologies if this has been suggested before.


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(06 Apr 2024, 10:04 pm)DaveFromUpNorth wrote I was only born in 1988 and Kylie was number 1 with I should be so lucky ???

(13 Apr 2024, 12:35 pm)col87 wrote A few ideas I have been thinking for Country Durham and Teesside / North Yorkshire network. ( Yes I know it’s unlikely before any says it ) but it is surprising they have not made more use of East Yorkshire especially when Arriva is struggling in the Whitby area. 

X1, X2, X3 X4
X1 extended to Hartlepool.  Current route to Easington Lane then via Dalton Park and A19 to Hart Village and Throston Grange Estate to University Hospital of Hartlepool. Then limited stop to Hartlepool Town Centre and Interchange.
Every 60 minutes to Hartlepool and every 30 to Easington Lane and Dalton Park.

X2 Newcastle to Peterlee every 30 minutes limited stop via X1 route to Easington Lane then via Murton, Easington Village and Hordon to Peterlee Bus Station. 

X3 Newcastle to Darlington via Nissan, Concord, Washington, Framwellgate, Bishop Auckland, Darlington.  Every 60 minutes
X4 Newcastle to Seaham.  As above to Washington then limited stop to Seaham via Chester le Street via 71 route. 

X6 X7.
X6 Every 30 as now to Peterlee every 60 to Hartlepool.  Peterlee to Hartlepool via Hordon, Castle Eden and Hart Village. 

X7 Stockton - Sunderland via North Tees Hospital, Stillington, Sedgefield, Wingate, Peterlee then direct to Seaham. Seaham then limited stop to Sunderland.  Every 60 minutes.

East Durham network as now

Teesside new services. 

19 Middlesbrough Bus Station, Middlesbrough Railway Station, Riverside Stadium, South Bank, Grangetown, Eston Square. 

20 Riverside Park, Middlesbrough Railway station, Middlesbrough Bus Station, A66, Stockton, Yarm, Teesside Airport

21 Stillington, North Tees Hospital, Stockton, Teesside Park, Middlesbrough

22 North Tees Hospital, Stockton, Preston Park, Yarm

25, Transporter Bridge/ Port Clarence, Billingham Town Centre, Billingham Green, Norton, North Tees Hospital, Roseworth, Stockton.

33 Middlesbrough Bus Station, Newport Bridge, Billingham Stores, Billingham Town Centre, Wolviston, Wynyard Amazon. 

East Cleveland

3 Loftus, Saltburn, Redcar, Redcar Morrisons
4 Saltburn, New Marske, Redcar, Kirleathem

82 Redcar, Guisbrough, Great Ayton, Coulby Newham Parkway Centre.


Hartlepool Services

H1 Hartlepool University Hospital, Town Centre, Greatham, Wolviston, North Tees Hospital,

12 Headland, West View, Raby Road, Town Centre, Tesco, Seaton Carew

16 Tesco, Church Street/Interchange, Town Centre, Ward Jackson Park, Elwick, Dalton Piecey

17 Asda/Marina, Town Centre, Westbroke Avenue, Catcote Road, Greatham

32 Interchange, Town Centre, Ward Jackson Park, High Tunstall, Bishop Cuthbert, Trimdons, Sedgefield, Ferryhill, Bishop Auckland. 

Open Top seasonal Services

101 Seaton Carew - Navigating Point
102 Seaton Carew - Maritime Museum
103 Seaton Carew - Town Centre / Ward Jackson Park

Seasonal Express Services

x95 Hartlepool, Billingham, Stockton, Yarm, then direct to Whitby then limited stop to Scarborough via Robin Hoods Bay.

(13 Apr 2024, 1:59 pm)Storx wrote Personally, don't agree with some of these. imo the Hartlepool to Sunderland, Seaham and Newcastle journeys should be by train. I know there's problems with fares and frequency but that should be the solution rather than having stupidly long bus journeys which are suspectible to delays in too many spots.

For the other Durham journeys I agree but imo they should be based around a hub at Durham instead with fast services all linking together there.

(13 Apr 2024, 2:43 pm)col87 wrote You’re looking at this all wrong though it’s about opening up new connections.  Now unless your putting a train line though every part of Hartlepool it’s a lot easier in some cases to just get the bus.

(13 Apr 2024, 3:13 pm)Storx wrote It wouldn't be an express bus though if it stopped everywhere though. If you wanted to serve North Hartlepool, you'd be better doing a bus that links Horden station and Hartlepool and have the buses connecting with the trains, with through fares etc.

You could even make the case for a station at Hart / West View really. The railway line needs investment is the answer imo, it's shockingly poor for the amount of places it serves.

A bus from Hartlepool to Newcastle / Sunderland would be just too long and unattractive and would just duplicate other services ie. 23/24 beyond that. The fact the 22/24, between Sunderland and Peterlee is already dead suggests the demand isn't there.