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RE: Arriva North East - tyresmoke - 02 Apr 2013
Orange MPD 1759 was working on service 5 for Whitby today.
Also, Redcar had Stockton MPD 1772 on loan on services X3/X4/64A, while Urban90 seated 1757 spent the day on the 63...!
RE: Arriva North East - Kuyoyo - 03 Apr 2013
Centro 1924 will be approaching Durham on the X1 shortly. It is due out of Newcastle on the X2 at 1250.
RE: Arriva North East - tyresmoke - 03 Apr 2013
Unusual working indeed, here it is in Teesdale on its way back to Middlesbrough. It replaced Prestige 4062 which was presumably overheating (shock!).
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RE: Arriva North East - Michael - 04 Apr 2013
Vosa changes (4.4.13).. posted at 9:23am.. more may be added though the day.
PB0002032/9 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Newcastle, Haymarket and Dinnington Village given service number 45 effective from 26-May-2013. To amend Timetable.
PB0002032/340 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Blyth Bus Station and Whitley Bay given service number 53 effective from 26-May-2013. To amend Timetable.
PB0002032/342 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Newcastle, Haymarket Bus Station and Morpeth, Kirkhill given service number 42/43 effective from 26-May-2013. To amend Timetable.
PB0002032/347 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Newcastle, Haymarket Bus Station and Great Park given service number X40 effective from 26-May-2013. To amend Timetable.
(Is this a mistake or do they have thier own X40 around that area?), don't know arriva that well, as my area is stagecoach.
PB0002032/408 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Cancellation Accepted: Operating between Great Park and Quorum Business Park given service number 332 effective from 26-May-2013.
PB0002032/442 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Gosforth East Middle School
Finish Point: Great Park, Warkworth Woods
Via:
Service Number: 158
Service Type: School or Works
Effective Date: 26-MAY-2013
Other Details: School days.
PB0002032/443 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Westerhope, All Saints College
Finish Point: Kenton Bar
Via:
Service Number: 128
Service Type: School or Works
Effective Date: 26-MAY-2013
Other Details: School days.
PB0002032/444 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Nuns Moor Park
Finish Point: Gosforth, Central Middle School
Via:
Service Number: 117
Service Type: School or Works
Effective Date: 26-MAY-2013
Other Details: School days.
PB0002032/445 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Registration Accepted
Starting Point: Regent Centre
Finish Point: Quorum Business Park
Via:
Service Number: 554
Service Type: Normal Stopping/Hail & Ride
Effective Date: 26-MAY-2013
Other Details: Mondays to Fridays.
RE: Arriva North East - mattdw92 - 04 Apr 2013
(04 Apr 2013, 8:25 am)Michael wrote PB0002032/347 - ARRIVA NORTHUMBRIA LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP
Variation Accepted: Operating between Newcastle, Haymarket Bus Station and Great Park given service number X40 effective from 26-May-2013. To amend Timetable.
(Is this a mistake or do they have thier own X40 around that area?), don't know arriva that well, as my area is stagecoach.
I too am confused by this.... they surely arnt going to operate it commercially, surely?!
RE: Arriva North East - Dan - 04 Apr 2013
A nice bus war, it seems.
See how long it lasts before GNE inevitably win, having won the contract itself.
RE: Arriva North East - Andreos1 - 04 Apr 2013
Wonder if the 42, 43, 45 changes are timed to get in the way of the GNE x40 whilst clearing the way for the ANE x40?
If only they made as much effort when they held the contract, then they would still hold it.
The length of time they had to fix the massive amount of complaints they had about the Great Park service, without doing anything seems bonkers.
Does anyone know who will run the Match Day Park and Ride Services? As it was Arriva...
RE: Arriva North East - Kuyoyo - 05 Apr 2013
(04 Apr 2013, 10:55 pm)Andreos1 wrote Wonder if the 42, 43, 45 changes are timed to get in the way of the GNE x40 whilst clearing the way for the ANE x40?
If only they made as much effort when they held the contract, then they would still hold it.
The length of time they had to fix the massive amount of complaints they had about the Great Park service, without doing anything seems bonkers.
Does anyone know who will run the Match Day Park and Ride Services? As it was Arriva...
Well, now Arriva are running it commercially, the Contract is effectively null and void, as a contracted service cannot be in competition with a commerical one.
RE: Arriva North East - Dan - 05 Apr 2013
Tony, what are Arriva's intentions for running the service commercially though?
Surely it isn't to provide an efficient link for members of the public between Haymarket and the places it serves at the moment rather than Go North East's Newcastle City Centre version...
RE: Arriva North East - Andreos1 - 05 Apr 2013
(05 Apr 2013, 6:40 am)Kuyoyo wrote(04 Apr 2013, 10:55 pm)Andreos1 wrote Wonder if the 42, 43, 45 changes are timed to get in the way of the GNE x40 whilst clearing the way for the ANE x40?
If only they made as much effort when they held the contract, then they would still hold it.
The length of time they had to fix the massive amount of complaints they had about the Great Park service, without doing anything seems bonkers.
Does anyone know who will run the Match Day Park and Ride Services? As it was Arriva...
Well, now Arriva are running it commercially, the Contract is effectively null and void, as a contracted service cannot be in competition with a commerical one.
Not disputing you, but never heard that one before about a contracted service not being allowed to be in competition with a commercial one.
So does that include contracted scholars or other works services running from one defined point and terminating in the same area? Say like a Nexus contracted service from Team Valley contracted to GNE to Heworth, but followed closely behind by a Loop?
Or a DCC service from Park View in Chester le Street, running to Woodstone Village, Bournmoor/Fencehouses behind a 71 or 78?
Then you have the 15/15a, 20/20a and the Bishop/Durham ANE services picking people up from outside the Durham Park and Ride car parks too as well as the Airshow, Gateshead Flower Show/Saltwell Park Fireworks display and Great North Run events when both contracted and commercial services run...
RE: Arriva North East - Kuyoyo - 05 Apr 2013
(05 Apr 2013, 10:03 am)Andreos1 wrote(05 Apr 2013, 6:40 am)Kuyoyo wrote(04 Apr 2013, 10:55 pm)Andreos1 wrote Wonder if the 42, 43, 45 changes are timed to get in the way of the GNE x40 whilst clearing the way for the ANE x40?
If only they made as much effort when they held the contract, then they would still hold it.
The length of time they had to fix the massive amount of complaints they had about the Great Park service, without doing anything seems bonkers.
Does anyone know who will run the Match Day Park and Ride Services? As it was Arriva...
Well, now Arriva are running it commercially, the Contract is effectively null and void, as a contracted service cannot be in competition with a commerical one.
Not disputing you, but never heard that one before about a contracted service not being allowed to be in competition with a commercial one.
So does that include contracted scholars or other works services running from one defined point and terminating in the same area? Say like a Nexus contracted service from Team Valley contracted to GNE to Heworth, but followed closely behind by a Loop?
Or a DCC service from Park View in Chester le Street, running to Woodstone Village, Bournmoor/Fencehouses behind a 71 or 78?
Then you have the 15/15a, 20/20a and the Bishop/Durham ANE services picking people up from outside the Durham Park and Ride car parks too as well as the Airshow, Gateshead Flower Show/Saltwell Park Fireworks display and Great North Run events when both contracted and commercial services run...
No, what I'm saying is if a contract is lost to another operator (example the X40) but the previous company then decides to run it commercially then the Contract must be terminated. The examples you've given are not examples were that applies, as the Durham Park & Ride is for Park & Ride customers only although the can walk to get the services that pass the sites. School runs are there to assist not compete with commerical work.
A mention must be that, should Nexus terminate the X40 contract, can be seen as a taste of their own medicine for Go North East considering they did the same with the East Durham network last October.
RE: Arriva North East - Andreos1 - 05 Apr 2013
Surely it would depend on whether or not the land is privately owned? So if the landowners at Great Park restricted access to 'pass holders' or contractors (in this case caterers, GNE etc), then Arriva couldn't access the site.
If Arriva feel as though they can operate the service on a commercial basis, then from GNE's point of view, it will boil down to the terms of the contract i.e have GNE been paid up front to deliver the service? Are GNE taking a percentage of all fares? Or is there something where it stiplulates GNE have sole operator access to the site etc.
I can see what your saying about the contract, but surely it is down to the terms within that.
Is it any different to another operator running something to Rainton Bridge? Yes GNE have the contracted 921, 922 and 923, as well as operating the commercial 20a and 35a, but if someone else wishes to run a service to the Nexus stops on a public highway, then I dont understand the problems in them doing so.
Looking at DCC axing the funding for tendered/contracted routes. If GNE/ANE chose to operate those routes commercially, who could stop them?
The contract holder has ended the contract (just as it did with the ANE x40) and it is left to the operators discretion what they then do - in the case of the DCC work, the operators didnt do much. In the case of the Great Park contract, Arriva have taken the decision to operate it themselves.
RE: Arriva North East - Adrian - 05 Apr 2013
Great Park is publicly owned land though. Understand there are rising bollards there, but it would be the same situation as Wrekenton bus link, or Doxford International for example. If a genuine bus service wants to serve, they'd have to ensure the bus can drop the rising bollard.
I wasn't aware around contracts being null and void, if it's running in direct competition with a commercial service, as pointed out by Kuyoyo. However, that completely makes sense! I'd be concerned if tax payer money was being thrown at something that someone wants to run as a business anyway.
RE: Arriva North East - Andreos1 - 05 Apr 2013
(05 Apr 2013, 11:57 am)aureolin wrote Great Park is publicly owned land though. Understand there are rising bollards there, but it would be the same situation as Wrekenton bus link, or Doxford International for example. If a genuine bus service wants to serve, they'd have to ensure the bus can drop the rising bollard.
I wasn't aware around contracts being null and void, if it's running in direct competition with a commercial service, as pointed out by Kuyoyo. However, that completely makes sense! I'd be concerned if tax payer money was being thrown at something that someone wants to run as a business anyway.
The thought about tax payer money concerned me, but if the contract was null and void, would compensation (tax payer money) be paid out to GNE, who through no fault of their own, would be out of pocket.
Again, detail like this would be within the contract.
RE: Arriva North East - Adrian - 05 Apr 2013
(05 Apr 2013, 12:02 pm)Andreos1 wrote The thought about tax payer money concerned me, but if the contract was null and void, would compensation (tax payer money) be paid out to GNE, who through no fault of their own, would be out of pocket.
Again, detail like this would be within the contract.
I don't know how exactly the procurement system works at Nexus, but you would think at the early stages, they would try and get the operator to run the route commercially anyhow. After all, they have the loading figures available to them, and can see how much or little the service is making. Having said that though, the operator is a business, and wouldn't be obliged to answer the question either way. This is always the danger when no one has real control over the bus network in the region.
I think the real concern is that this could potentially set a precedent. What's to stop Go North East turning round and re-registering the M2 and M3 on an evening between Concord and Birtley for example? That would render Arriva's only normal stopping contract in Washington as useless. Same could be said if Arriva decided to run the 50A on an evening.
RE: Arriva North East - Deleted - 05 Apr 2013
The key point here is who is paying for the contract.
If its an organisation that has a social resposibility, nexus, DCC, NCC ect then it is in there best intrests not to secure a service that a operator will run at there own risk or is being contracted to operate.
Anyone with the cash to spend can offer a contract on any grounds they so wish.
You must remember that Secured service and Contracted service are two different things.
RE: Arriva North East - Andreos1 - 05 Apr 2013
I have had a look on the Great Park website. There is a section on there about previous changes to services and may give a clue about funding (obviously the service info is obsolete)
'From Sunday 30th May the network of bus services to NGP was significantly enhanced. The changes include the introduction of a direct link to the City Centre on the new X40 Park and Ride service and the introduction of service 46 between the City Centre and Featherstone Grove. These changes have been introduced in response to requests from local residents and to provide a new service to the new Neighbourhood Centre to the south east of the SAGE building. The service improvements have been funded jointly by the NGP Consortium and Newcastle City Council, who continue to work together to deliver high quality sustainable transport links to and within the NGP development as part of the Travel Plan Strategy. The Travel Plan Strategy sets out the commitment of the NGP Consortium to delivering a wide range of transport projects over the coming months and years, from bus services to cycle paths and lots in between. We'll keep you updated on future plans and improvements and for more information on the new bus services please visit www.nexus.org.uk/bus or email rob.bettison@travelplanservices.co.uk'
Having looked into who the NGP partnership are, these are the developers i.e Persimmion, Barratt. Now either they are funding the service from their own pockets along with Newcastle City Council, or residents pay some sort of service charge, which contributes towards the service.
RE: Arriva North East - tyresmoke - 05 Apr 2013
This sort of thing happens all the time in South Yorkshire, one area I have a bit of experience/knowledge of - quite often happens that another operator wins the evening tender for a route operated by First during the day. First will then operate the evening service commercially, voiding the tender, just to stop other companies getting work. Stagecoach do the same thing.
In this case it could be interesting, as the tender is not paid for by Nexus, it's by Great Park themselves.
As Kuyoyo mentioned the same thing was done by Go North East in Peterlee in October when they lost a lot of the tendered services to another operator, suddenly they became commercially viable and now almost the entire East Durham network is commercially operated mileage (with a few exceptions).
RE: Arriva North East - Malarkey - 06 Apr 2013
7460 T307 FGN Arriva NE ALX400 on the X24 to Durham
http://www.flickr.com/photos/adammalarkey/8624079969/in/photostream/
RE: Arriva North East - tyresmoke - 06 Apr 2013
Orange Dart 1759 (NK53VKA) appeared on service 5 this morning, working the 0513 from Whitby and 0705 return from Middlesbrough, replaced by 4070 (S712KRG) after 1759 broke down in Guisborough.
RE: Arriva North East - palatine3833 - 07 Apr 2013
7463 T310 FGN was on service 24 today, was due to be on until 0010 but was replaced when I took it back to Durham at 2106.
RE: Arriva North East - tyresmoke - 08 Apr 2013
I'm told Stockton Prestige 4007 (S893ONL) went up in flames on the A174 near Lazenby this morning. Not sure how badly damaged it is but its unlikely it will be repaired.
RE: Arriva North East - Malarkey - 08 Apr 2013
(08 Apr 2013, 8:15 am)tyresmoke wrote I'm told Stockton Prestige 4007 (S893ONL) went up in flames on the A174 near Lazenby this morning. Not sure how badly damaged it is but its unlikely it will be repaired.
Second North East based Prestige in the space of a Month to go up in flames, by the looks of it it's an Ex Go North East one aswell, suprise suprise.
RE: Arriva North East - Dan - 09 Apr 2013
Solo 2813 receiving attention at Park Lane from an engineer in a Fleet Support vehicle at present.
Don't think it's anything more serious than a water shortage or something similar though!
RE: Arriva North East - 00armstrongiain - 10 Apr 2013
(08 Apr 2013, 7:12 pm)Adam Malarkey wrote(08 Apr 2013, 8:15 am)tyresmoke wrote I'm told Stockton Prestige 4007 (S893ONL) went up in flames on the A174 near Lazenby this morning. Not sure how badly damaged it is but its unlikely it will be repaired.
Second North East based Prestige in the space of a Month to go up in flames, by the looks of it it's an Ex Go North East one aswell, suprise suprise.
It is ex Go North East see picture link
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Go_North_East_bus_4863_DAF_SB220_Plaxton_Prestige_S863_ONL_Bargain_Bus_livery_in_Newcastle_9_May_2009.jpg
RE: Arriva North East - tyresmoke - 12 Apr 2013
Two rare workings of the day today:
Redcar went for E400 7502 on 81
Stockton had 9-branded Pulsar 1442 on 28s as a changeover for 1909.
Darlington were using Solo 2865, Dart 1649 (replaced by Pulsar 1425) on the X66
RE: Arriva North East - Kuyoyo - 13 Apr 2013
Stockton's 27-branded Pulsar 1449 has just left Stockton on the X1 to Durham and onwards to Newcastle, due there at 1139.
RE: Arriva North East - chris white - 13 Apr 2013
(13 Apr 2013, 8:53 am)Kuyoyo wrote Stockton's 27-branded Pulsar 1449 has just left Stockton on the X1 to Durham and onwards to Newcastle, due there at 1139.
Caught it in Newcastle upon arrival: 1449 (NK10CFO)
Also Quorum Gemini 7607 (NK59DME) is back in Arriva livery.
Chris
RE: Arriva North East - tyresmoke - 15 Apr 2013
Another rare working today from Stockton saw Prestige 4069 reach Stokesley on service 29, replacing Cadet 1914 which had to be taken off.
Darts 1101-1105 and DAFs 7466-7478 have been added to the reserve fleet, all are ex London stock refurbished by Thorntons.
RE: Arriva North East - Dan - 15 Apr 2013
And in addition to that one (providing the 308 and X11 don't interwork on an evening), 7806 - see here.