(21 Sep 2022, 8:06 pm)ALavery wrote Is it just me who has this issue way too often than i should? Got into dalton park this evening on the X10 hoping to catch the 65, see it pulled into the stop to watch it pull away two minutes early… now I’m stranded for an hour in the cold. Everytime i bring this up with them on twitter I’m told I’m wrong and it left on time? :|

(21 Sep 2022, 8:27 pm)Drifter60 wrote A 65 running early?! Not often we hear that on here!

Do they still say 1 minute early or 5 minutes late is classed as ‘on time’? They certainly used too. You’re right though - especially key calling points shouldn’t be leaving until it’s scheduled time, not even 1 minute early really. Driver clearly wanting to get home sharp!

(21 Sep 2022, 8:27 pm)Drifter60 wrote A 65 running early?! Not often we hear that on here!

Do they still say 1 minute early or 5 minutes late is classed as ‘on time’? They certainly used too. You’re right though - especially key calling points shouldn’t be leaving until it’s scheduled time, not even 1 minute early really. Driver clearly wanting to get home sharp!

(21 Sep 2022, 8:24 pm)MK Storx wrote If you can prove it ran early (cough: https://bustimes.org/vehicles/39872?date=2022-09-21#journeys/312300868) then complain to the Bus Users - https://bususers.org/passengers/complaints/complaints-process/

There's no excuse for running early if they're fobbing you off. Just remember that you might get someone punished in the process though as I believe early running isn't taken lightly.

(21 Sep 2022, 10:01 pm)DaveFromUpNorth wrote Sure London Transport  have  this process on the running board or somewhere in the country - they are not to depart  until (connecting bus has arrived)  and have to wait for a minute at the stop for connecting bus  and if that bus is say 3 or 5 minutes late to radio control  for next steps

We need this process especially for connections like ferry or metro at metro stations wait 90sec of it departing to create a connection service

(21 Sep 2022, 10:01 pm)DaveFromUpNorth wrote Sure London Transport  have  this process on the running board or somewhere in the country - they are not to depart  until (connecting bus has arrived)  and have to wait for a minute at the stop for connecting bus  and if that bus is say 3 or 5 minutes late to radio control  for next steps

We need this process especially for connections like ferry or metro at metro stations wait 90sec of it departing to create a connection service

(21 Sep 2022, 8:06 pm)ALavery wrote Is it just me who has this issue way too often than i should? Got into dalton park this evening on the X10 hoping to catch the 65, see it pulled into the stop to watch it pull away two minutes early… now I’m stranded for an hour in the cold. Everytime i bring this up with them on twitter I’m told I’m wrong and it left on time? :|

(21 Sep 2022, 10:02 pm)Unber43 wrote There was something like this for the 56's during the night connecting onto the 4, however I am not sure if drivers stick to it.

(21 Sep 2022, 10:56 pm)deanmachine wrote I hope you weren't relying on the electronic signs at Dalton Park, they do not match the actual registered times for the buses that serve it. They are wrong.

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(23 Sep 2022, 4:37 pm)Rob44 wrote One of the lasses i used to work with used to get the x1 at 7am to work. yet alot of the time she would be at the stand for 655 and it was just disapearing into the distance. she complained to GNE and the next time she went for it... you guessed it... it was just pulling out and the driver wouldnt let her on... she drives to work now.

another occasion me and the crocodile had been for a few pints and waited where the odeon used to be foe the number 1 to low fell. think he was sue out at say 615. the croc went to the paper shop just up from the bus stop to put her lotto on and the bus came early, around 5 minutes early . i got on and said the Mrs is coming. He said im leaving now. I looked at the clock the buses had at the front and said if your leaving now your 5 minutes early. she then jumped on behind me. we sat down and the driver still left a good 3 minutes sharp and picked up next to no passenger to low fell as he was trailing a 21 the whole route.

(23 Sep 2022, 6:59 pm)Andreos1 wrote Was planning a trip to Filtrona Park and was working out where the Metro replacement stop was in comparison to the metro station (low bridge and all that).

Noticed buses leaving there early too. 

Not sure if it was the correct allocation, but that's for another thread.

(23 Sep 2022, 6:59 pm)Andreos1 wrote Was planning a trip to Filtrona Park and was working out where the Metro replacement stop was in comparison to the metro station (low bridge and all that).

Noticed buses leaving there early too. 

Not sure if it was the correct allocation, but that's for another thread.

(24 Sep 2022, 1:07 pm)L469 YVK wrote Do buses including any newer ones still have the late Peter Huntley atomic clocks fitted?

According to an article from 2006......running early was one of his biggest bug bears which he cracked down on.

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Drivers running their buses early is another bugbear for both passengers and bus companies ( but Huntley believes he can stamp it out.

"One of the things I've given instructions on to date, is compulsory stops ( it's the traditional, old London approach.

"It can be that, if a driver can finish his route a few minutes early, that's good for him because he can get a fag break, but it's no good for passengers.

"I'm imposing on all drivers intermediate, compulsory stopping points, where they must do a time check.

"I have got an order in for atomic clocks, which will be installed on the bulkhead of each bus, so there's no argument about the time ( and we will operate a system of 'three strikes and you're out' for our drivers, if they leave these points before time."

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https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Peter+plans+the+ride+of+our+lives-a0147738630

(24 Sep 2022, 1:39 pm)streetdeckfan wrote I've brought this up before in the past, they seemed to have been stripped out the vehicles that had them fitted, and haven't been on new vehicles for years now.

The closest we've got is the time on the LCD NSA displays, and even that I'd been suggesting to have there for years!

(24 Sep 2022, 1:07 pm)L469 YVK wrote Do buses including any newer ones still have the late Peter Huntley atomic clocks fitted?

According to an article from 2006......running early was one of his biggest bug bears which he cracked down on.

(24 Sep 2022, 5:19 pm)Adrian wrote They don't need them. The ticket machines should work off NTP.

(24 Sep 2022, 5:51 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Wasn't the point of them that passengers could also see the time as well?

(24 Sep 2022, 5:51 pm)streetdeckfan wrote Wasn't the point of them that passengers could also see the time as well?

(24 Sep 2022, 3:20 pm)xpm wrote A lot of the smaller ones got removed when the drivecam system was introduced as they were sited mostly where the drivecam was to be mounted.

on the original subject - at stations doors close 30 seconds before and pulling away 15 seconds later.  The amount of times I’ve been sitting for 5 mins for a last minute rush for people that are not even ready to board that’s made me eventually 5 mins late leaving the bus behind then is late and the cycle continues, then there’s the ‘why you late driver’ questions all the  way along the route (which again adds even more time).

(24 Sep 2022, 7:25 pm)L469 YVK wrote Thinking about it and it would be a cross operator approacg, could the following system not be put in place at major interchanges and stops?

- All tickets to be purchased on app (with all operator unique & multi modal tickets made available)

OR

- Ticket machines with QR code which is scanned on boarding


So currently......a fully loaded decker out of ES or Haymarket can easily take 15 minutes to load and process passengers. All passengers pre-paid when boarding could load a full decker in 5 minutes and in many instances, around 3 minutes. Would save all the costs associated with delays and.....would even encourage app usage to avoid queues at ticket machines.

(24 Sep 2022, 7:25 pm)L469 YVK wrote Thinking about it and it would be a cross operator approacg, could the following system not be put in place at major interchanges and stops?

- All tickets to be purchased on app (with all operator unique & multi modal tickets made available)

OR

- Ticket machines with QR code which is scanned on boarding


So currently......a fully loaded decker out of ES or Haymarket can easily take 15 minutes to load and process passengers. All passengers pre-paid when boarding could load a full decker in 5 minutes and in many instances, around 3 minutes. Would save all the costs associated with delays and.....would even encourage app usage to avoid queues at ticket machines.

(24 Sep 2022, 7:40 pm)Adrian wrote It's possible: https://www.ticketer.com/en/press-article/ticketer-launches-multi-operator-contactless-ticketing/

But very much like tap on/tap off, which would save customers money, there seems to be a lack of willingness to quickly move to the technology.

(24 Sep 2022, 8:11 pm)Unber43 wrote Its on the Q3/53/54 but I wonder how many people are actually taking it up. Really its only good if you only use 1 service, multiple times a day.

(24 Sep 2022, 5:19 pm)Adrian wrote They don't need them. The ticket machines should work off NTP.