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Yorkshire / NW transfers - tyresmoke - 24 Aug 2023 Yorkshire B7RLE 1105 arrived from Heckmondwike into Durham yesterday. There are rumours of former Yorkshire E200s 1329/30/31 going back south soon, 1330/1 are in Durham’s scrap pile, unsure where 1329 is. The Ecocities look to be leaving in a few weeks and could well be bound for Runcorn, with Yorkshire expecting Pulsars from NW I wonder if there could be some 3 way swaps going on… Watch this space! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Storx - 24 Aug 2023 (24 Aug 2023, 7:26 am)tyresmoke wrote Yorkshire B7RLE 1105 arrived from Heckmondwike into Durham yesterday. You've got the Walkergate Streetlite's to go somewhere aswell to add into the mix. Darlington always seemed to be the sensible place to replace the gas buses but if there's stuff coming up from Runcorn (no doubt the MX10 Pulsars as it's all they've got) then who knows where they're off to. Yorkshire / NW transfers - tyresmoke - 24 Aug 2023 (24 Aug 2023, 8:00 am)Storx wrote You've got the Walkergate Streetlite's to go somewhere aswell to add into the mix. Darlington always seemed to be the sensible place to replace the gas buses but if there's stuff coming up from Runcorn (no doubt the MX10 Pulsars as it's all they've got) then who knows where they're off to. Yeah they’re supposed to be heading to Darlington to see off the gas buses… maybe NE will see a handful of Pulsars come the other way? Stockton have repaired 1457 which was pulled off for chassis corrosion so who knows, I kind of expected them to start pulling the worst ones when they were falling, with the amount floating around in reserve now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - RobinHood - 24 Aug 2023 Walkergate Streetlites are being split with half going to Ashington (Svs 1/2) and half to Darlington to finish off the EcoCity withdrawal. Will end up with Pulsars in reserve/heading to Yorkshire but apparently Arriva have won tenders to bring back the X16 and extend the 57A to Ashington, so some will be kept back for that in October. EcoCitys are going to be withdrawn and sold, not Runcorn as anticipated. A small number of 'other' movements will also take place to align fleet, simplify types and start to withdraw E200s and more Solos.u RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Storx - 24 Aug 2023 (24 Aug 2023, 8:07 am)tyresmoke wrote Yeah they’re supposed to be heading to Darlington to see off the gas buses… maybe NE will see a handful of Pulsars come the other way? Yeah same, mind I thought they'd try and take a dint into the Temsa's at Redcar but suppose the only place they'll be heading to is scrap so don't have any value. (24 Aug 2023, 8:10 am)RobinHood wrote Walkergate Streetlites are being split with half going to Ashington (Svs 1/2) and half to Darlington to finish off the EcoCity withdrawal. Interesting with the 57A, hopefully it'll sort out the reliability issues aswell as it's an absolute mess lately but it'll be interesting to see how that works as one route is longer than the other so one end of it is going to be left with an uneven service without changing it and arguably the Southern end is the stronger end. Yorkshire / NW transfers - tyresmoke - 24 Aug 2023 (24 Aug 2023, 8:10 am)RobinHood wrote Walkergate Streetlites are being split with half going to Ashington (Svs 1/2) and half to Darlington to finish off the EcoCity withdrawal. Interesting thank you… the only other ones I can think of who run the MAN Ecocity is Go Ahead…?! I wonder if just the NE batch are going or if NW are looking to offload theirs too? Simplifying fleet members makes sense especially as the fleet is ageing somewhat. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - RobinHood - 31 Aug 2023 Official Arriva allocation for 3rd September suggests the following transfers: Fleet No / From / To 1463 Newcastle Blyth 1495 Newcastle Blyth 1499 Newcastle Blyth 1512 Newcastle Durham 1513 Newcastle Durham 1574 Newcastle Ashington 1575 Newcastle Ashington 1576 Newcastle Ashington 1577 Newcastle Ashington 1578 Newcastle Ashington 1581 Newcastle Ashington 1582 Newcastle Ashington 1583 Newcastle Ashington 1584 Newcastle Darlington 1585 Newcastle Darlington 1586 Newcastle Darlington 1587 Newcastle Darlington 1588 Newcastle Darlington 1589 Newcastle Darlington 2601 Newcastle Ashington 2602 Newcastle Ashington 2603 Newcastle Ashington 2859 Newcastle Ashington 2852 Ashington reserve fleet 7507 Newcastle Blyth 7509 Newcastle Blyth 7522 Newcastle Blyth 7524 Newcastle Blyth 7525 Newcastle Blyth 7526 Newcastle Blyth 7553 Newcastle Ashington 7554 Newcastle Ashington 7557 Newcastle Ashington 7558 Newcastle Ashington 7560 Newcastle Ashington 7562 Newcastle Ashington 1461 Ashington Wakefield 1475 Ashington Wakefield 1462 Ashington Durham 1479 Ashington Durham 1497 Ashington Durham 1538 Ashington reserve fleet 1539 Ashington reserve fleet 1407 Durham Wakefield 1434 Reserve fleet Wakefield 1435 Reserve fleet Wakefield 1320 Durham Castleford 1321 Durham Castleford 1322 Durham Castleford 1431 Darlington Stockton 1430 Reserve fleet Redcar 1436 Reserve fleet Redcar 1428 Reserve fleet Stockton 1457 Reserve fleet Stockton 4801 Darlington disposal 4802 Darlington disposal 4804 Darlington disposal 4805 Darlington disposal 4806 Darlington disposal 4807 Darlington disposal 4808 Darlington disposal 4809 Darlington disposal 4811 Darlington disposal 1329 reserve fleet Castleford 1331 reserve fleet Castleford All 48xx Gas Buses are officially Withdrawn from this weekend. 2579 Sold to Alpha 2830 Sold to Alpha 2837 Sold to Alpha 2834 for disposal 2857 for disposal 2860 Sold to Alpha 2861 Sold to Alpha 2862 Sold to Alpha 2864 Sold to Alpha 2865 Sold to Alpha 2867 for disposal 2868 Sold to Alpha 2869 for disposal 2871 Sold to Alpha 7484 Sold to Alpha 2856 Sold to Alpha RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Storx - 31 Aug 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 11:43 am)RobinHood wrote Official Arriva allocation for 3rd September suggests the following transfers: Assuming some of the boards on the 57/57A are getting upgraded to full singles? If I'm right there's only 2853/2854/2859 at Ashington which could run it since 2852 is technically a spare. Also interesting to note on there unless something is missing, it seems the solution to the problems to Redcar is to send two buses to Wakefield...? RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - megansmith - 31 Aug 2023 should be Stockton losing pulsars as Redcar is struggling there should be left out RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Shrek - 31 Aug 2023 Which depots will be running the former Jesmond routes (the few that are left) going forward? Is there any change or will 43/44/45/47 and 306 still be out if Blyth? RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Kuyoyo - 31 Aug 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 4:37 pm)megansmith wrote should be Stockton losing pulsars as Redcar is struggling there should be left out Except Redcar presently have 4 working out of reserve - 1430/6 are reinstated later this month with the Middlesbrough Collage runs resuming. The two Pulsars presently in reserve at Stockton are undergoing major chassis repair work - and will eventually be reinstated with the College runs resuming as well as the PVR increase on the 29. Not to mention that Stockton have the lowest spare ratio of any of the Durham County depots even after these changes and you will come to realise why Redcar are sending reserved Pulsars to Yorkshire as Commander replacements. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - PH - BQA - 31 Aug 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 4:17 pm)Storx wrote Assuming some of the boards on the 57/57A are getting upgraded to full singles? If I'm right there's only 2853/2854/2859 at Ashington which could run it since 2852 is technically a spare. None of them are being upgraded to singles. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Andreos1 - 31 Aug 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 4:37 pm)megansmith wrote should be Stockton losing pulsars as Redcar is struggling there should be left out Solo on the X4 again today. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - RobinHood - 31 Aug 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 7:40 pm)Andreos1 wrote Solo on the X4 again today. Inexcusable given the fleet mix that they have. However, putting it into context, Whitby will always have a spare Solo on paper in order to ensure that they cover their schools requirements. So if a Whitby X4 goes down, this is pretty much the outcome. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - 9920up - 31 Aug 2023 Darlo loses 10 and gains 6. 2 less needed due to loss of the Hurworth 12. So I wonder why allocation falls by a further 2? RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - RobinHood - 31 Aug 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 8:35 pm)9920up wrote Darlo loses 10 and gains 6. 2 less needed due to loss of the Hurworth 12. So I wonder why allocation falls by a further 2? Following the service reductions in July, I think this is also some fall out from that, basically buses that should have come out a few weeks ago. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - solsburian - 31 Aug 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 5:54 pm)mb134 wrote None of them are being upgraded to singles. I've heard that Solo replacements for the 57/57a are due, I don't know if there are new or cascades though. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Storx - 31 Aug 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 9:02 pm)solsburian wrote I've heard that Solo replacements for the 57/57a are due, I don't know if there are new or cascades though. Not sure what mind, there's nothing really about unless it involves taking buses elsewhere. The only buses potentially available are the SLS Streetlite's in London from the 450 which ends at the end of this month and are currently routeless. Would fit in with the 1 and 2 and have the Ashington fleet fully Streetlite. (They're short 9.7m ones). If they did turn up, they could potentally be the answer for Whitby aswell. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - NEbushopper - 01 Sep 2023 What buses are going on to the 434? RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - PH - BQA - 01 Sep 2023 (01 Sep 2023, 10:20 am)NEbushopper wrote What buses are going on to the 434? 2601-3. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Ryland - 01 Sep 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 4:46 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Except Redcar presently have 4 working out of reserve - 1430/6 are reinstated later this month with the Middlesbrough Collage runs resuming. The two Pulsars presently in reserve at Stockton are undergoing major chassis repair work - and will eventually be reinstated with the College runs resuming as well as the PVR increase on the 29. Not to mention that Stockton have the lowest spare ratio of any of the Durham County depots even after these changes and you will come to realise why Redcar are sending reserved Pulsars to Yorkshire as Commander replacements. So basically yet again Redcar down buses again. They barely have anyone on the road. 4719 should just be withdrawn as it's been off the road more thanks than it's been on it. No replacements at all it's ridiculous RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Kuyoyo - 01 Sep 2023 (01 Sep 2023, 12:54 pm)Ryland wrote So basically yet again Redcar down buses again. They barely have anyone on the road. Read again - those Pulsars have been operating from reserve since the July changes. Meaning, they aren't officially on Redcar's fleet. 1430/6 are reinstated in a fornight's time but 1434 (which is presently at Durham) and 1435 are off to Yorkshire. And Redcar shouldn't be short - they have the second largest amount of spare vehicles for their PVR of the Durham County operation (Durham has the largest at present) of 8 for a PVR of 50 meanwhile Stockton have to struggle with just 7 spare vehicles for a PVR of 63. The issue here is well known - Redcar have a shortage of engineers so that's the struggle at present. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Ryland - 01 Sep 2023 In my head. Why not trail the gas buses at Redcar. Obviously Redcar would need to get the facility to fuel them. Then have the gas bus for the 62/63 route. Streetlites and pulsar for the X2/3/4 nd 81 Source some new buses for the 95/6 MMC deckers for the x93/4 RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Kuyoyo - 01 Sep 2023 (01 Sep 2023, 1:20 pm)Ryland wrote In my head. Why not trail the gas buses at Redcar. Obviously Redcar would need to get the facility to fuel them. There's a reason they're binning the Gas Buses - the cost of Gas is presently that expensive it's not worth it. Add to the fact they are currently one of the most unreliably vehicle types in the company (in ironic terms, Durham are also getting rid of most of their most unreliable vehicles - the E200s) which will help Darlington's operational reliability improve massively. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Ryland - 01 Sep 2023 (01 Sep 2023, 1:02 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Read again - those Pulsars have been operating from reserve since the July changes. Meaning, they aren't officially on Redcar's fleet. 1430/6 are reinstated in a fornight's time but 1434 (which is presently at Durham) and 1435 are off to Yorkshire.So Redcar are keeping 2857 2861 2863 2870 RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Andreos1 - 01 Sep 2023 (01 Sep 2023, 1:02 pm)Kuyoyo wrote Read again - those Pulsars have been operating from reserve since the July changes. Meaning, they aren't officially on Redcar's fleet. 1430/6 are reinstated in a fornight's time but 1434 (which is presently at Durham) and 1435 are off to Yorkshire. If there's a shortage of engineers to put right the knackered vehicles (and therefore maintain the PVR), then I am struggling to understand why they would make the fleet smaller. Surely the opposite needs to happen, at least temporarily? RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - RobinHood - 01 Sep 2023 (01 Sep 2023, 3:00 pm)Andreos1 wrote If there's a shortage of engineers to put right the knackered vehicles (and therefore maintain the PVR), then I am struggling to understand why they would make the fleet smaller. Its a bit of a catch 22 situation. Make the fleet bigger to help the local team sounds like the right thing to do, but just means more buses to inspect, repair defects and MOT test. In turn, makes life more difficult as they are spread more thinly across the fleet in terms of maintenance. Actually reducing the number of buses gradually, but providing more support (in terms of skilled engineers) from other depots is the chosen direction to get them back on track. (01 Sep 2023, 1:46 pm)Ryland wrote So Redcar are keeping No 2857 is not staying. (01 Sep 2023, 1:26 pm)Kuyoyo wrote There's a reason they're binning the Gas Buses - the cost of Gas is presently that expensive it's not worth it. Add to the fact they are currently one of the most unreliably vehicle types in the company (in ironic terms, Durham are also getting rid of most of their most unreliable vehicles - the E200s) which will help Darlington's operational reliability improve massively. The gas buses are requiring overhaul of the gas delivery systems (pipework, regulators, storage etc), which costs more than the book value of the vehicle to do. This is why they are being withdrawn, as its cheaper to write them off. RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - Ryland - 01 Sep 2023 When are 1433 and 1439 due back to Redcar? Or Redcar keeping the MMCs Definitely need rid of of ex London buses as they are just rotten Yorkshire / NW transfers - tyresmoke - 01 Sep 2023 (01 Sep 2023, 9:12 pm)Ryland wrote When are 1433 and 1439 due back to Redcar? Have heard from Redcar that 1433/9 and 7575/6 are due to be swapped back this weekend but the allocation doesn’t support that - so watch this space! As for removing more vehicles from Redcar, I’m not sure what the answer is but suffice to say the depot is dying through lost mileage and it’s not going to get any better any time soon… Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Yorkshire / NW transfers - PH - BQA - 03 Sep 2023 (31 Aug 2023, 11:43 am)RobinHood wrote Official Arriva allocation for 3rd September suggests the following transfers: Assuming 1539/9 are kept in reserve pending the X16, I feel like it may have been a more sensible decision to transfer 1538/9 down to Durham and keep the newer pair in Northumbria for the demanding and busy Morpeth express corridor. It would also have ensured relative feature parity with the other vehicles on the corridor, rather than 2 vehicles which haven't been repainted since new and are lacking WiFi, charging, or e-leather seating. |