(18 Sep 2023, 10:50 pm)logidoodah wrote I thought seeing as it has come up in many threads, that it is an important discussion that I feel deserves it own thread.

The main SNE problems imo have arisen from the 'Stagecoach Expansion' and big PVR increase since covid with the 317, 685, 62 (extension), 38 (extension), 37 and soon to be 63 (extension which needs extra resource too). As well as having the same frequencies of routes (mostly). This has meant that increasingly the double decker routes which get allocated singles can get away with a single throughout the day but definitely not at peaks on any of em.

I have had some bad experiences as a passenger with overcrowding on buses the 62/63 being the worst.... Can anyone think of any ways this can be rectified without reducing the needed PVRs? I'm guessing more deckers acquired from elsewhere is the sensible option financially.

I'm interested to know you're thoughts and any experiences. 

(19 Sep 2023, 12:21 pm)V514DFT wrote I mean does the 18 need a DD to be on all day, likewise the same could be said for the 12, surely the short 12 and the 18 could interwork at Walker giving the so called 'required' DD for the schools, but the 12 did just fine for years with singles on it

(19 Sep 2023, 12:29 pm)Kuyoyo wrote While it doesn't need them on every working, the 18 is now Nexus-supported and the required capacity on said tender dictates the use of deckers all day.
Also, as has been stated, it is Slatyford that have the issue with singles on the 62/63 - whereas Walkergate run the 12 and 18. Walkergate haven't got any issues with their few remaining 62/63 boards - indeed, both of their boards are E400 allocated today.

(19 Sep 2023, 4:17 pm)Coastliner700 wrote It seems almost every 63 I travel on is a E200MMC in front was a 62 also single as well. Seems something needs to happen! What’s the split between Walkergate & Slatyford on 62/62

(18 Sep 2023, 10:50 pm)logidoodah wrote I thought seeing as it has come up in many threads, that it is an important discussion that I feel deserves it own thread.

The main SNE problems imo have arisen from the 'Stagecoach Expansion' and big PVR increase since covid with the 317, 685, 62 (extension), 38 (extension), 37 and soon to be 63 (extension which needs extra resource too). As well as having the same frequencies of routes (mostly). This has meant that increasingly the double decker routes which get allocated singles can get away with a single throughout the day but definitely not at peaks on any of em.

I have had some bad experiences as a passenger with overcrowding on buses the 62/63 being the worst.... Can anyone think of any ways this can be rectified without reducing the needed PVRs? I'm guessing more deckers acquired from elsewhere is the sensible option financially.

I'm interested to know you're thoughts and any experiences. 

(28 Nov 2023, 10:47 am)toward6931 wrote As I've started commuting into newcastle again this week I have noticed a sharp rise in the amount of single deckers on the 62/63 , im not sure when but stagecoach Oxford are getting electric buses and they have a batch of 20 I think 16 reg MMCs which are virtually identical to the newcastle ones, I think if SNE got them and allocated them to walkergate and slatyford it would solve this problem. I think a solution would be if  slatyford received 10 more double decks and cascaded 8 of its eldest single decks

(29 Nov 2023, 12:48 am)logidoodah wrote I have been very unlucky with my travel this week...4 times I went for a 62/63 and it was full to the brim. They are a stupid allocation and sure a smmall bus is better than no bus...like you say any double deckers atm would help. They could then send some stuff to stockton/hartlepool to help there or south shields with the 397'ss.

It doesn't help that you get a 72 linked to a scholars and an 11 too which do not need deckers in the slightest.

(29 Nov 2023, 12:48 am)logidoodah wrote I have been very unlucky with my travel this week...4 times I went for a 62/63 and it was full to the brim. They are a stupid allocation and sure a smmall bus is better than no bus...like you say any double deckers atm would help. They could then send some stuff to stockton/hartlepool to help there or south shields with the 397'ss.

It doesn't help that you get a 72 linked to a scholars and an 11 too which do not need deckers in the slightest.

(30 Nov 2023, 5:58 pm)Coastliner700 wrote There is also a 31 allocated a decker as well! I saw an E200 today on a 62 journey. Same as the 18 which has 2 deckers allocated that I don’t see is necessary maybe a school times but not the entire day. At best an E300 would be fine. Those deckers from the 18 could be allocated to other routes that it’s needed. As for the 62-63 problem it’s a nightmare and needs addressing.

(30 Nov 2023, 6:15 pm)Storx wrote The 18 is contracted for deckers.

(30 Nov 2023, 8:30 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote If bus times is to be believed 24110,24113,26063,26065,26066,26069,26075,26078,26080,27243,27252,27253,36471 have all been on the 62/63 at some point today- ridiculous for a double decker service. And the fact Walkergate have far too many singles too- although some of them are due to be replaced by the new E400MMCs there is still a huge shortage of deckers between the Newcastle depots.

(30 Nov 2023, 8:40 pm)Aaron21 wrote It doesn't help that Slatyford have way to many decker allocations. 30/31/10/11/36/72/685/All the X services all have deckers so there all over the place at the moment

(30 Nov 2023, 8:30 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote If bus times is to be believed 24110,24113,26063,26065,26066,26069,26075,26078,26080,27243,27252,27253,36471 have all been on the 62/63 at some point today- ridiculous for a double decker service. And the fact Walkergate have far too many singles too- although some of them are due to be replaced by the new E400MMCs there is still a huge shortage of deckers between the Newcastle depots.

(01 Dec 2023, 8:49 am)toward6931 wrote Slightly related I tried counting seats on the singles, a standard MMC single has 40 seats, whilst one of the E300s I counted had more. I know some of the E300s have differing internal layouts but I think the difference was about 8 seats.

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I thought that walkergate only had an increased reserve of singles was because of the hybrids reliability

(01 Dec 2023, 9:51 am)stagecoachfan wrote Normal E300 has 42-44 seats. The only ones with 48 are the 5 05-plate long ones (27506-10)

(30 Nov 2023, 8:40 pm)Aaron21 wrote It doesn't help that Slatyford have way to many decker allocations. 30/31/10/11/36/72/685/All the X services all have deckers so there all over the place at the moment

(01 Dec 2023, 5:55 pm)toward6931 wrote Glad you confirmed that, I was sat on an E400 looking through an E200 trying to count an E300 so it was getting confusing haha

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Hopefully although I doubt it, SNE will be able to blag some of the Oxford E400 MMCs if and when the electrics enter service down their. 

By my working out if slatyford received ten of those and cascaded 8 single decks to Sunderland (based on capacity I would say single deck MMCs) you could then withdraw 4 of the MANviro E200s and either 4 of the gas buses or keep them spare incase of what happened the other week and the gas plant goes down.

I was under the impression that the 22 could cope with a few single decks being run on it, it maybe because of the GNE strikes

(13 Dec 2023, 11:50 am)Unber43 wrote Thankfully SC doesn't have any Solos or anything at Newcastle

(13 Dec 2023, 11:50 am)Unber43 wrote Thankfully SC doesn't have any Solos or anything at Newcastle

(14 Dec 2023, 2:42 pm)Andreos1 wrote Wondering if they're gonna for any E100 EVs?
That would put the cat among the pigeons on the 62!

(14 Dec 2023, 7:11 pm)Storx wrote Is there actually much capacity difference between an Enviro 200 and Enviro 300 with Stagecoach, if I'm right Stagecoach's E200's are 10.8m long?