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November 2023 changes - Michael - 21 Sep 2023
PB0003954/735
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 8 (8, 8A) Sunderland Stanley
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Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 56 (56) Newcastle Sunderland
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Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 60 (60) Parkside Sunderland
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Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 61 (61, 861) Peterlee Sunderland
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Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 65 (65) Seaham Durham
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Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 2 (2, 2A) Washington Silksworth
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Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 20 (20, 20A) Durham Sunderland
RE: November 2023 changes - Unber43 - 21 Sep 2023
8/8A might be a cut, 2/2A hopefully an Extra PVR, I have no idea for the 20/20A/65 as they seem quite reliable. But I am intrested in what the 56 could be.
RE: November 2023 changes - Iamtheone8483748 - 21 Sep 2023
I don't think the 8 will be a cut, given it was only just reintroduced to be half-hourly not long ago. Given the way they seem to be keen to expand/improve services recently, I'd hope some may be increases to service
RE: November 2023 changes - KingSlayerRBLX - 21 Sep 2023
Probably most of them will be time changes, especially the 20,20A,65 with Durham's Bus Station set to open. Could be wrong tho
RE: November 2023 changes - Unber43 - 21 Sep 2023
65 should leave Durham at :30 later in the evening for better connections to the X10, if it was advertised it might work.
18:20/19:20/20:20 leave Newcastle, the 65 comes at 21:10, be home in 10 mins, so just over an hour travel time, and all for £3 both ways much cheaper than the trains.
Really there isn't a lot to do in Newcastle after 7/8 everything shut unless you plan to go drinking
November 2023 changes - Theboyle92 - 22 Sep 2023
I'm led to believe that on a night there will be an extra service (2A) alongside the current hourly 2 from the Galleries to Silksworth instead of the mini 2A Biddick's that are currently running (sometimes being missed out due to late running of the inbound 2). This will mean the 2s should have roughly 16min layover/recovery time at Washington hopefully improving running time also giving hollycarside a late service.
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RE: November 2023 changes - Michael - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 12:45 am)Theboyle92 wrote I'm led to believe that on a night there will be an extra service (2A) alongside the current hourly 2 from the Galleries to Silksworth instead of the mini 2A Biddick's that are currently running (sometimes being missed out due to late running of the inbound 2). This will mean the 2s should have roughly 16min layover/recovery time at Washington hopefully improving running time also giving hollycarside a late service.
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Oh that's good, makes sense, if the mini 2A's are sometimes missed out.
RE: November 2023 changes - Storx - 22 Sep 2023
(21 Sep 2023, 6:25 pm)Michael wrote PB0003954/735
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 8 (8, 8A) Sunderland Stanley
PB0003954/779
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 56 (56) Newcastle Sunderland
PB0003954/777
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 60 (60) Parkside Sunderland
PB0003954/1165
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 61 (61, 861) Peterlee Sunderland
PB0003954/795
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 65 (65) Seaham Durham
PB0003954/732
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 2 (2, 2A) Washington Silksworth
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Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 20 (20, 20A) Durham Sunderland
I'm not sure whether there's more coming here but Langley Park appears to be left without a bus service.
The 20 I'm sure is Langley Park Sunderland on the current registration.
Also to note there's no 61A either.
RE: November 2023 changes - Michael - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 8:51 am)Storx wrote I'm not sure whether there's more coming here but Langley Park appears to be left without a bus service.
The 20 I'm sure is Langley Park Sunderland on the current registration.
Also to note there's no 61A either.
Oh, didn't even notice that!
RE: November 2023 changes - V514DFT - 22 Sep 2023
Maybe the 20 is being split
RE: November 2023 changes - ASX_Terranova - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 8:51 am)Storx wrote I'm not sure whether there's more coming here but Langley Park appears to be left without a bus service.
The 20 I'm sure is Langley Park Sunderland on the current registration.
Also to note there's no 61A either.
Is that because the 2A will be running to Silksworth, meaning the section though leechmere and grangetown will be covered by that.
I wonder if the 8 changes are to do with the fact the 09:09 ex Washington and 13:15 ex sunderland don't run the full route.
RE: November 2023 changes - Unber43 - 22 Sep 2023
Langley Park could be the return of the X20, giving it in November hopefully they will have say the 20 staff extra to run that service, and they still have the older great branded buses for the route...oh wait
RE: November 2023 changes - deanmachine - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 2:24 pm)Unber43 wrote Langley Park could be the return of the X20, giving it in November hopefully they will have say the 20 staff extra to run that service, and they still have the older great branded buses for the route...oh wait
Seems a little bit short sighted to me if true, as on an evening it's going to have to interwork with a 20 as it is, better to just stay the same service all day.
RE: November 2023 changes - Unber43 - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 2:41 pm)deanmachine wrote Seems a little bit short sighted to me if true, as on an evening it's going to have to interwork with a 20 as it is, better to just stay the same service all day.Or you could just have the 20 extend to langley Park hourly on an evening.
RE: November 2023 changes - deanmachine - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 2:52 pm)Unber43 wrote Or you could just have the 20 extend to langley Park hourly on an evening.
That's what I mean, it just seems a bit pointless to me to have it as two different routes depending on the time of the day.
November 2023 changes - Jimmi - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 2:52 pm)Unber43 wrote Or you could just have the 20 extend to langley Park hourly on an evening.
(22 Sep 2023, 3:49 pm)deanmachine wrote That's what I mean, it just seems a bit pointless to me to have it as two different routes depending on the time of the day.
It would most likely be the same route number all day, every day, like how the Sunday journeys currently interwork with the 50 at Durham. Perhaps a similar scenario could be adopted like in pervious where I think it was the 35A that ran from Sunderland to Houghton-le-Spring on an evening and would then continue to South Hetton? as the X35 (and subsequent numbers since) as the same bus.
Doubt the 20 would continue to run to Langley Park at night given it's been taken off the registration. X20 return is questionable as the 20A is still on the registration, unless the X20 would exist in some other form to previously.
RE: November 2023 changes - Storx - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 12:44 pm)ASX_Terranova wrote Is that because the 2A will be running to Silksworth, meaning the section though leechmere and grangetown will be covered by that.
I wonder if the 8 changes are to do with the fact the 09:09 ex Washington and 13:15 ex sunderland don't run the full route.
Imagine it's because there's not a bus needed through Ashbrooke anymore (Stagecoach 13 runs all day / night now) so will just be a normal 61 instead.
(22 Sep 2023, 2:41 pm)deanmachine wrote Seems a little bit short sighted to me if true, as on an evening it's going to have to interwork with a 20 as it is, better to just stay the same service all day.
Not sure if it's up for tender but wonder if it might interwork with the 725, if they can win it (or the 25 restored in full as it's a dumb split when both are subsidised anyway) - believe it should be coming up soonish but could be wrong there.
RE: November 2023 changes - Unber43 - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 6:44 pm)Storx wrote Imagine it's because there's not a bus needed through Ashbrooke anymore (Stagecoach 13 runs all day / night now) so will just be a normal 61 instead.Passenger numbers are quite good going through Langley Park towards Sunderland tho.
Not sure if it's up for tender but wonder if it might interwork with the 725, if they can win it (or the 25 restored in full as it's a dumb split when both are subsidised anyway) - believe it should be coming up soonish but could be wrong there.
But the 25/725 should be combined, they literally time perfectly with each other.
RE: November 2023 changes - Jimmi - 22 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 6:44 pm)Storx wrote Not sure if it's up for tender but wonder if it might interwork with the 725, if they can win it (or the 25 restored in full as it's a dumb split when both are subsidised anyway) - believe it should be coming up soonish but could be wrong there.
725 shouldn't be up for contract renewal any time soon.
Joining the 25 & 725 into one route again likely won't happen due to Nexus funding the 25 whilst DCC fund the 725 and that would require two local authorities to work together which often doesn't happen or is rather terribly executed.
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RE: November 2023 changes - F114TML - 23 Sep 2023
What's the chances with the 61A going, they won't bother and Murton will lose its night service?
*doffs cynic hat*
RE: November 2023 changes - Andreos1 - 23 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 10:27 pm)Jimmi wrote 725 shouldn't be up for contract renewal any time soon.
Joining the 25 & 725 into one route again likely won't happen due to Nexus funding the 25 whilst DCC fund the 725 and that would require two local authorities to work together which often doesn't happen or is rather terribly executed.
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You never know, GNE could decide to take it on commercially and join the two together.
As likely as NF being a master at employee relations, RF slagging the paintwork on the North Tyne network and RS shaving his beard off and wearing trousers.
But we can hope.
RE: November 2023 changes - ThomasBooth123 - 23 Sep 2023
(23 Sep 2023, 8:40 am)Andreos1 wrote You never know, GNE could decide to take it on commercially and join the two together.Why would GNE do that when they had it as one route previously and I assume decided it wasn’t commercially viable so left it to the councils?
As likely as NF being a master at employee relations, RF slagging the paintwork on the North Tyne network and RS shaving his beard off and wearing trousers.
But we can hope.
RE: November 2023 changes - Rob44 - 23 Sep 2023
(23 Sep 2023, 1:38 pm)ThomasBooth123 wrote Why would GNE do that when they had it as one route previously and I assume decided it wasn’t commercially viable so left it to the councils?
I think he was being sarcastic
RE: November 2023 changes - Andreos1 - 23 Sep 2023
(23 Sep 2023, 2:18 pm)Rob44 wrote I think he was being sarcastic
That's the 3rd time my scarcasm hasn't been picked up on here in a matter of weeks.
RE: November 2023 changes - MurdnunoC - 23 Sep 2023
(23 Sep 2023, 5:09 pm)Andreos1 wrote That's the 3rd time my scarcasm hasn't been picked up on here in a matter of weeks.Because you're obviously so good at conveying sarcasm through the medium of text, eh?
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RE: November 2023 changes - Storx - 23 Sep 2023
(22 Sep 2023, 10:27 pm)Jimmi wrote 725 shouldn't be up for contract renewal any time soon.
Joining the 25 & 725 into one route again likely won't happen due to Nexus funding the 25 whilst DCC fund the 725 and that would require two local authorities to work together which often doesn't happen or is rather terribly executed.
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Wasn't sure it was up tbf. It's badly an area which needs work on though and all subsidised routes becoming under one body - infact we just need one transport body so we don't have problems like it anymore. It's even bizarrely timetabled to connect aswell which makes it even more of a farce.
(23 Sep 2023, 8:32 am)F114TML wrote What's the chances with the 61A going, they won't bother and Murton will lose its night service?
*doffs cynic hat*
It's funny I was thinking that, was just being positive for once. That nice extra 2 service, rumoured to be running, would fill the gap for a chunk of the route aswell.
RE: November 2023 changes - Greg in Weardale - 26 Sep 2023
From next year Durham, Northumberland and the Tyne & Wear councils combine into one Mayoral authority which will have responsibility for transport, so we might see more logical planning (eg. 725 and 25 joined), but they may, unfortunately in my opinion, go for franchising, as in Manchester.
RE: November 2023 changes - Andreos1 - 26 Sep 2023
(26 Sep 2023, 10:43 am)Greg in Weardale wrote From next year Durham, Northumberland and the Tyne & Wear councils combine into one Mayoral authority which will have responsibility for transport, so we might see more logical planning (eg. 725 and 25 joined), but they may, unfortunately in my opinion, go for franchising, as in Manchester.
We may be able to lean on sister companies and get some drivers if that happens.
RE: November 2023 changes - Unber43 - 05 Oct 2023
any more news on these changes?
RE: November 2023 changes - Michael - 05 Oct 2023
(05 Oct 2023, 9:04 am)Unber43 wrote any more news on these changes?
https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0003954
All timetable changes, apart from the 2/2A - Timetable/route changes