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Driverless Buses - Unber43 - 06 Nov 2023
NEW: Rishi Sunak will outline tomorrow that buses and delivery vehicles will be driverless from 2030
Like its going to happen in 2030, especially with the roads the buses go on with roads works and everything.
RE: Driverless Buses - Bazza - 07 Nov 2023
(06 Nov 2023, 11:03 pm)Unber43 wrote NEW: Rishi Sunak will outline tomorrow that buses and delivery vehicles will be driverless from 2030
Like its going to happen in 2030, especially with the roads the buses go on with roads works and everything.
If you think bus routes take an age now, imagine what it would be like with no drivers, there will have to be some major infrastructure changes and changes to road traffic law too
RE: Driverless Buses - Adrian - 07 Nov 2023
(07 Nov 2023, 9:36 am)Bazza wrote If you think bus routes take an age now, imagine what it would be like with no drivers, there will have to be some major infrastructure changes and changes to road traffic law tooThey also claim the vehicles won't require a safety driver. If that's the case, it'll be a free for all when it comes to revenue collection.
I also wonder how driverless delivery vans would work. How does the parcel get from the van to your door? How do elderly or disabled people get their crates of shopping from the Tesco van?
I suppose Evri could fit a tank gun to the front of their fleet, and it'll closely replicate what happens now.
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RE: Driverless Buses - Storx - 07 Nov 2023
Guessing it was never posted on here.
There's currently a feasability study to do one round here, connecting the new hospital at Cramlington and the new station at Seaton Delaval.
https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/transport/study-to-assess-viability-of-driverless-transport-between-seaton-delaval-railway-station-and-hospital-in-cramlington-4367047
These are like little pods. I could definitely see where they could be useful. Newcastle Centre -> Newcastle Quayside -> Gateshead Quays -> Gateshead Interchange to pick one out or Northumberland Park -> Cobalt -> Silverlink -> Percy Main, Four Lane Ends -> Quorum or North Shields -> North Shields Ferry -> North Shields Fish Quay to pick another 3.
RE: Driverless Buses - Adrian - 07 Nov 2023
(07 Nov 2023, 2:22 pm)Storx wrote Guessing it was never posted on here.Wonder how long before one is tipped over or something?
There's currently a feasability study to do one round here, connecting the new hospital at Cramlington and the new station at Seaton Delaval.
https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/transport/study-to-assess-viability-of-driverless-transport-between-seaton-delaval-railway-station-and-hospital-in-cramlington-4367047
These are like little pods. I could definitely see where they could be useful. Newcastle Centre -> Newcastle Quayside -> Gateshead Quays -> Gateshead Interchange to pick one out.
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RE: Driverless Buses - Bazza - 07 Nov 2023
(07 Nov 2023, 2:22 pm)Storx wrote Guessing it was never posted on here.
There's currently a feasability study to do one round here, connecting the new hospital at Cramlington and the new station at Seaton Delaval.
https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/transport/study-to-assess-viability-of-driverless-transport-between-seaton-delaval-railway-station-and-hospital-in-cramlington-4367047
These are like little pods. I could definitely see where they could be useful. Newcastle Centre -> Newcastle Quayside -> Gateshead Quays -> Gateshead Interchange to pick one out or Northumberland Park -> Cobalt -> Silverlink -> Percy Main, Four Lane Ends -> Quorum or North Shields -> North Shields Ferry -> North Shields Fish Quay to pick another 3.
There is a big difference between running anything driverless on a route specifically engineered / heavily modified for it and something just slotted into an existing infrastructure.
For instance. Can you see a driverless version of the X18 Haymarket to Berwick without a hefty investment in infrastructure along the whole route?
(07 Nov 2023, 2:22 pm)Storx wrote Guessing it was never posted on here.
There's currently a feasability study to do one round here, connecting the new hospital at Cramlington and the new station at Seaton Delaval.
https://www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/transport/study-to-assess-viability-of-driverless-transport-between-seaton-delaval-railway-station-and-hospital-in-cramlington-4367047
These are like little pods. I could definitely see where they could be useful. Newcastle Centre -> Newcastle Quayside -> Gateshead Quays -> Gateshead Interchange to pick one out or Northumberland Park -> Cobalt -> Silverlink -> Percy Main, Four Lane Ends -> Quorum or North Shields -> North Shields Ferry -> North Shields Fish Quay to pick another 3.
There is a big difference between running anything driverless on a route specifically engineered / heavily modified for it and something just slotted into an existing infrastructure.
For instance. Can you see a driverless version of the X18 Haymarket to Berwick without a hefty investment in infrastructure along the whole route?
RE: Driverless Buses - Storx - 07 Nov 2023
(07 Nov 2023, 2:23 pm)Adrian wrote Wonder how long before one is tipped over or something?
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Aye imagine, vandalism will be the biggest problem with them. Not even sure how you could solve it either.
(07 Nov 2023, 2:41 pm)Bazza wrote There is a big difference between running anything driverless on a route specifically engineered / heavily modified for it and something just slotted into an existing infrastructure.
For instance. Can you see a driverless version of the X18 Haymarket to Berwick without a hefty investment in infrastructure along the whole route?
In fairness, it's just about allowing driverless buses at all. There's no mention that all buses will be driverless, I'd imagine it's for stuff like I linked and the sort of stuff I mentioned there where it's a short hopper route and connecting it to a bigger type of transport, rather than having to walk for 20 minutes or rely on an infrequent bus.
It could be the answer for DRT, as you could control demand, ie. more buses when needed and less when not without any real problems - driver's in particular. As long as it was only set stops, and in small areas. Replacing the Washington locals could be an example for it, instead of having a 30 seater bus, a little pod comes and picks you up and takes you to a set select number of stops within Washington and the same going home.
RE: Driverless Buses - DeltaMan - 07 Nov 2023
Think the most likely scenario will be on guided busways, where some already have a form of automated speed control.
So I can't see an MuskBus navigating deepest Windy Nook on the 57 or the back streets of Heaton on the 1 any time soon.
RE: Driverless Buses - Unber43 - 07 Nov 2023
Where would a guided bus way be suitable in the NE
Driverless Buses - streetdeckfan - 08 Nov 2023
My mother's just got a new car and it has Nissan's ProPilot 'self driving' feature.
It's pretty crap on the roads around here, even on the A1 it struggles to keep in it's lane.
We even had the emergency braking kick in at Thinford roundabout because a Range Rover was at a slight angle at the traffic lights, not even in our lane.
Other than Tesla, pretty much every manufacturers system uses the same technology, I can't see it being good any time soon!
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RE: Driverless Buses - Unber43 - 29 Feb 2024
https://sunderlandglobalmedia.org/self-driving-buses-to-debut-in-sunderland-from-may/?fbclid=IwAR05e8NXqRN2AJUM_y1DIspwE37XndwB2S_65Gk_Se66w8PWDa_UHjuBXcM
RE: Driverless Buses - F114TML - 29 Feb 2024
It's a Ford Transit. Was at the depot yesterday.
RE: Driverless Buses - deanmachine - 29 Feb 2024
(29 Feb 2024, 10:04 am)F114TML wrote It's a Ford Transit. Was at the depot yesterday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p9258468zo
More info on the BBC News article.
RE: Driverless Buses - stagecoachfan - 03 May 2024
https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/amf-smart-cities-city-of-sunderland-autonomous-shuttles-tickets-888345213447
RE: Driverless Buses - stagecoachfan - 20 Aug 2024
(29 Feb 2024, 2:34 pm)deanmachine wrote https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c6p9258468zo
More info on the BBC News article.
It's lucky the article doesn't specify which "May" as this year it's been and gone. The official website about the trial DID say it would start running this summer, but now says "later in 2025" - so who knows if and when it actually will start.
(29 Feb 2024, 10:04 am)F114TML wrote It's a Ford Transit. Was at the depot yesterday.
3 of them. Electric Ford Transits converted by Aurrigo. One of them is CN23VDV
RE: Driverless Buses - F114TML - 20 Aug 2024
(20 Aug 2024, 10:42 am)stagecoachfan wrote It's lucky the article doesn't specify which "May" as this year it's been and gone. The official website about the trial DID say it would start running this summer, but now says "later in 2025" - so who knows if and when it actually will start.
3 of them. Electric Ford Transits converted by Aurrigo. One of them is CN23VDV
Apparently the Sunderland project's been scrapped.
RE: Driverless Buses - N1cholas - 20 Aug 2024
(20 Aug 2024, 11:32 am)F114TML wrote Apparently the Sunderland project's been scrapped.
Probably deemed to much of a risk going up chester road/hylton road the way the locals park, would be an accident waiting to happen
RE: Driverless Buses - stagecoachfan - 21 Aug 2024
(20 Aug 2024, 11:32 am)F114TML wrote Apparently the Sunderland project's been scrapped.
Not according to the official website about it:
https://www.sunderlandoursmartcity.com/sams/
Where did you hear it had been scrapped? Can find nothing anywhere online that says it has either.
RE: Driverless Buses - F114TML - 22 Aug 2024
I shall have to reconfirm it was a few moths ago.