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Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Michael - 18 Mar 2026
We’re planning timetable changes for a number of services across Sunderland, Washington, Hexham and Gateshead due to come into effect on Sunday 10th May 2026.
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/share-your-views-and-help-shape-our-services
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Nerd4321 - 18 Mar 2026
(18 Mar 2026, 3:36 pm)Michael wrote We’re planning timetable changes for a number of services across Sunderland, Washington, Hexham and Gateshead due to come into effect on Sunday 10th May 2026.
https://www.gonortheast.co.uk/share-your-views-and-help-shape-our-services
X1 now finshes in 4 different places
Dalton Park, Haswell Plough, Easington Lane & Peterlee
Surly they should have done idk Dalton Park & Haswell Plough as a separate number like X2
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Michael - 18 Mar 2026
(18 Mar 2026, 3:42 pm)Nerd4321 wrote X1 now finshes in 4 different places
Dalton Park, Haswell Plough, Easington Lane & Peterlee
Surly they should have done idk Dalton Park & Haswell Plough as a separate number like X2
Wonder what they'll allocate to the X1, as the PVR should go up, hopefully order more new buses for the route?, However they can't even allocate the new buses to route now...
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - 220631612 - 18 Mar 2026
Haswell Plough is rather random and I can’t see it lasting too long. I also can’t help but feel like trying Dalton Park again is just flogging a dead horse. Having a bus block the stand for 7 minutes as well isn’t going to win any popularity contests either.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Kimlfixit - 18 Mar 2026
If they've got enough time to send a bus to Haswell Plough, they've also got enough to serve Murton instead, which has more chimney pots twice an hour.
Suppose it's a new link, so that's a positive.
I notice the short trips on the X10 are removed on Sundays
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - X919 WGR - 18 Mar 2026
(18 Mar 2026, 3:42 pm)Nerd4321 wrote X1 now finshes in 4 different places
Dalton Park, Haswell Plough, Easington Lane & Peterlee
Surly they should have done idk Dalton Park & Haswell Plough as a separate number like X2
That just feels silly with 4 different termination points
Stick to Peterlee because it will just confuse customers at this point plus I think it will annoy users at Easington to see their bus drift off to the road that takes the X1 to Dalton Park instead of going to their stop.
And I agree. Needs split into 2 if they are going to add these 2 additional finishing points
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Malarkey - 18 Mar 2026
I think personally they're going back to how it was several years back when the X1 served Dalton Park but now with the addition of Haswell Plough which seems odd to me, where do you turn the bus round there???
Personally I would've potentially looked at a variation after Hetton-Le-Hole going via Low Moorsley and High Pittington to Sherburn Village.
If you look at it as well they seem to be slowly edging back towards potentially serving Hartlepool.
I do think there is wider issue they've not factored in at Dalton Park and that is the X6/X10 and duplicating services, so I thought I'd do a few changes whilst also factoring in the 65.
X1 - Newcastle to Easington Lane and Peterlee
via Gateshead, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Wrekenton, Springwell Village, Washington, Shiney Row, Houghton-le-Spring, Hetton-le-Hole, Murton, Dalton Park and Peterlee Moorcock
- Extended to Peterlee via Murton, Dalton Park and Peterlee Moorcock reinstating old links and in part replacing the X6 between Peterlee and Dalton Park operating Every 30 Minutes.
X6/X6A Sunderland to Durham
via Grangetown, Seaham, New Seaham, Spectrum Business Park, Dalton Park, Murton, Hetton-le-Hole, Low Moorsley, Low Pittington, Belmont and Gilesgate
- The X6 would after Dalton Park no longer go to Peterlee as it is replaced by the revised variation of X1, the service would instead be merged into the 65 providing a Cross County Durham Coast Express service between Durham and Sunderland maintaining existing frequencies of Every 30 Minutes.
X10 - Newcastle to Middlesbrough
via Gateshead, Heworth, Peterlee, Billingham, Norton and Stockton
- The service would no longer serve Dalton Park and would instead stick to the A19 offering a faster service to Newcastle and Middlesbrough, customers wanting to go to Dalton Park are advised to get the X1.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - 220631612 - 18 Mar 2026
(18 Mar 2026, 5:37 pm)Malarkey wrote I think personally they're going back to how it was several years back when the X1 served Dalton Park but now with the addition of Haswell Plough which seems odd to me, where do you turn the bus round there???
Personally I would've potentially looked at a variation after Hetton-Le-Hole going via Low Moorsley and High Pittington to Sherburn Village.
If you look at it as well they seem to be slowly edging back towards potentially serving Hartlepool.
I do think there is wider issue they've not factored in at Dalton Park and that is the X6/X10 and duplicating services, so I thought I'd do a few changes whilst also factoring in the 65.
X1 - Newcastle to Easington Lane and Peterlee
via Gateshead, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Wrekenton, Springwell Village, Washington, Shiney Row, Houghton-le-Spring, Hetton-le-Hole, Murton, Dalton Park and Peterlee Moorcock
- Extended to Peterlee via Murton, Dalton Park and Peterlee Moorcock reinstating old links and in part replacing the X6 between Peterlee and Dalton Park operating Every 30 Minutes.
X6/X6A Sunderland to Durham
via Grangetown, Seaham, New Seaham, Spectrum Business Park, Dalton Park, Murton, Hetton-le-Hole, Low Moorsley, Low Pittington, Belmont and Gilesgate
- The X6 would after Dalton Park no longer go to Peterlee as it is replaced by the revised variation of X1, the service would instead be merged into the 65 providing a Cross County Durham Coast Express service between Durham and Sunderland maintaining existing frequencies of Every 30 Minutes.
X10 - Newcastle to Middlesbrough
via Gateshead, Heworth, Peterlee, Billingham, Norton and Stockton
- The service would no longer serve Dalton Park and would instead stick to the A19 offering a faster service to Newcastle and Middlesbrough, customers wanting to go to Dalton Park are advised to get the X1.
In terms of turning a bus at Haswell Plough, you do a loop from Haswell. And you’d be surprised how many people go to Dalton Park from Teesside in fairness. I’d always argue though that the X9 should be returned rather than extensions to the X1
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Storx - 18 Mar 2026
(18 Mar 2026, 5:37 pm)Malarkey wrote I think personally they're going back to how it was several years back when the X1 served Dalton Park but now with the addition of Haswell Plough which seems odd to me, where do you turn the bus round there???
Personally I would've potentially looked at a variation after Hetton-Le-Hole going via Low Moorsley and High Pittington to Sherburn Village.
If you look at it as well they seem to be slowly edging back towards potentially serving Hartlepool.
I do think there is wider issue they've not factored in at Dalton Park and that is the X6/X10 and duplicating services, so I thought I'd do a few changes whilst also factoring in the 65.
X1 - Newcastle to Easington Lane and Peterlee
via Gateshead, Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Wrekenton, Springwell Village, Washington, Shiney Row, Houghton-le-Spring, Hetton-le-Hole, Murton, Dalton Park and Peterlee Moorcock
- Extended to Peterlee via Murton, Dalton Park and Peterlee Moorcock reinstating old links and in part replacing the X6 between Peterlee and Dalton Park operating Every 30 Minutes.
X6/X6A Sunderland to Durham
via Grangetown, Seaham, New Seaham, Spectrum Business Park, Dalton Park, Murton, Hetton-le-Hole, Low Moorsley, Low Pittington, Belmont and Gilesgate
- The X6 would after Dalton Park no longer go to Peterlee as it is replaced by the revised variation of X1, the service would instead be merged into the 65 providing a Cross County Durham Coast Express service between Durham and Sunderland maintaining existing frequencies of Every 30 Minutes.
X10 - Newcastle to Middlesbrough
via Gateshead, Heworth, Peterlee, Billingham, Norton and Stockton
- The service would no longer serve Dalton Park and would instead stick to the A19 offering a faster service to Newcastle and Middlesbrough, customers wanting to go to Dalton Park are advised to get the X1.
You've removed the only bus between Seaham and Peterlee here - just saying.
imo if your going down this route there needs to be a look at how many people are actually travelling to Newcastle from the South of Houghton Le Spring and if there's not many, reduce the frequency of the X1 with the Newcastle expresses going elsewhere and give them buses to other places like Sunderland or whatever.
Literally all the red area below don't have a Newcastle direct service Monday - Sunday:
imo it's unacceptable really.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - BusLoverMum - 18 Mar 2026
The people of Haswell Plough might welcome being able to get to places other than Peterlee or Durham without having to spend half an hour on the Arriva 24, first.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Andreos1 - 18 Mar 2026
(18 Mar 2026, 6:25 pm)220631612 wrote In terms of turning a bus at Haswell Plough, you do a loop from Haswell. And you’d be surprised how many people go to Dalton Park from Teesside in fairness. I’d always argue though that the X9 should be returned rather than extensions to the X1
I'd have thought the option to get bums on seats, would be to follow the route of the 24 from Haswell, but loop around the estate and then back out, like the 24 does. You're passing a much larger population, than sending it via Salters Lane.
To be honest, I can't see this route being anything other than somewhere convenient to turn a bus, without increasing resource or have it sitting at Easington Lane turning circle.
Anyone using it is a brucey bonus.
Any late running, and they turn it at Easington Lane.
(18 Mar 2026, 3:42 pm)Nerd4321 wrote X1 now finshes in 4 different places
Dalton Park, Haswell Plough, Easington Lane & Peterlee
Surly they should have done idk Dalton Park & Haswell Plough as a separate number like X2
5 if you include Picktree.
Utterly bizarre they're milking a number so much to provide some sort of route identity.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Michael - 18 Mar 2026
The Sunderland 35 had quite a few varations at one point too
35/35A/35B/35C
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Storx - 18 Mar 2026
(18 Mar 2026, 9:07 pm)Andreos1 wrote 5 if you include Picktree.
Utterly bizarre they're milking a number so much to provide some sort of route identity.
imo it should be banned. A route number should go from A - B.
Not A - B, or A - C or A - D or A - E.
Similar discussion for variants which should be variants, so no letters unless it's A to B via C or A - B via D, again not A - B, A - C, A - D
It's just confusing for the sake of it.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - 220631612 - 19 Mar 2026
(18 Mar 2026, 10:27 pm)Storx wrote imo it should be banned. A route number should go from A - B.
Not A - B, or A - C or A - D or A - E.
Similar discussion for variants which should be variants, so no letters unless it's A to B via C or A - B via D, again not A - B, A - C, A - D
It's just confusing for the sake of it.
It works without issue for trentbarton, First Cymru and Southern Vectis…
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - deanmachine - 19 Mar 2026
Honestly I think it's more confusing to renumber it for such a small extension to the route. 90% of it is unchanged.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Storx - 19 Mar 2026
(19 Mar 2026, 12:32 am)220631612 wrote It works without issue for trentbarton, First Cymru and Southern Vectis…
Trent Barton don't mind for most routes, I quite like their system and is a middle way so people know what the main route is and which isn't.
Having them as the X1.1, X1.2, X1.3, X1.4 would be a hell of a lot easier to understand which one goes where rather than them being all the X1 and it's still clear they're all the X1.
Stuff like the 10, 10A, 10A, 10B are the same. It's not unrealistic that someone wanting to go to Prudhoe a major point on the route would expect them all to go there but they don't it's the 10/10B because that's easier to remember...
Give me the 43/44/45, 306/307/308/309, X7/X8, X9/X10/X11, 39/40, 62/63 any day of the week. It's a hell of a lot easier to understand.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - 220631612 - 19 Mar 2026
(19 Mar 2026, 8:27 am)Storx wrote Trent Barton don't mind for most routes, I quite like their system and is a middle way so people know what the main route is and which isn't.
Having them as the X1.1, X1.2, X1.3, X1.4 would be a hell of a lot easier to understand which one goes where rather than them being all the X1 and it's still clear they're all the X1.
Stuff like the 10, 10A, 10A, 10B are the same. It's not unrealistic that someone wanting to go to Prudhoe a major point on the route would expect them all to go there but they don't it's the 10/10B because that's easier to remember...
Give me the 43/44/45, 306/307/308/309, X7/X8, X9/X10/X11, 39/40, 62/63 any day of the week. It's a hell of a lot easier to understand.
With trentbarton I was more going for the likes of the rainbow1 indigo i4 Skylink Nottingham H1 which all have different variations under the same route descriptor
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Storx - 19 Mar 2026
(19 Mar 2026, 5:15 pm)220631612 wrote With trentbarton I was more going for the likes of the rainbow1 indigo i4 Skylink Nottingham H1 which all have different variations under the same route descriptor
Yeah that's fair. You'll never change my opinion on that one, it's hard enough to tell someone that they need a certain bus to a place without having to go you need the X1, but not this one, it has to be this one. Oh and in an evening it's a totally different one again which I know has happened before aswell on routes.
I'm surprised there hasn't been something about it under DDA regulations tbh so it's consistent across the country. Same discussion about having multiple routes in the same area.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - S813 FVK - 19 Mar 2026
(19 Mar 2026, 8:27 am)Storx wrote Having them as the X1.1, X1.2, X1.3, X1.4 would be a hell of a lot easier to understand which one goes where rather than them being all the X1 and it's still clear they're all the X1.
On this point, it appears that the proposed timetable has now been re-uploaded with the introduction of suffixes
X1 - to Peterlee
X1A - to Dalton Park
X1B - to Haswell Plough
X1C - current X1A to Picktree
Maybe the Gods are watching over the forum, or the wrong version was uploaded originally. Either way, an improvement.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Adrian - 19 Mar 2026
(19 Mar 2026, 8:32 pm)S813 FVK wrote On this point, it appears that the proposed timetable has now been re-uploaded with the introduction of suffixes
X1 - to Peterlee
X1A - to Dalton Park
X1B - to Haswell Plough
X1C - current X1A to Picktree
Maybe the Gods are watching over the forum, or the wrong version was uploaded originally. Either way, an improvement.
It's baffling that despite having so many free numbers to select from, they're determined to cram everything into the X1 umbrella - talk about confusing.
The X1A has existed Newcastle to Picktree as long as I can remember, but it suddenly changes overnight to go to Dalton Park? That'll be fun for those expecting it to go to Picktree in the first few weeks, only to cotton on as soon as it hits the highway. This is even more important given irregular working patterns, and I'm astonished that no one has thought this was a bad idea.
I could live with the X1 to Peterlee, Picktree being the X1A and the other two being one of the two other (new) letters, but given they're all going to vastly different terminuses, why can't we just have separate service numbers? X1/X1A, X2, X3 - it's even easier to remember and read!
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - V514DFT - 19 Mar 2026
(19 Mar 2026, 8:32 pm)S813 FVK wrote On this point, it appears that the proposed timetable has now been re-uploaded with the introduction of suffixes
X1 - to Peterlee
X1A - to Dalton Park
X1B - to Haswell Plough
X1C - current X1A to Picktree
Maybe the Gods are watching over the forum, or the wrong version was uploaded originally. Either way, an improvement.
Or X1,X2 (X1A), X3(X1B), X4(X1C), surely that would be easier
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Sland2000 - 20 Mar 2026
(19 Mar 2026, 8:32 pm)S813 FVK wrote On this point, it appears that the proposed timetable has now been re-uploaded with the introduction of suffixes
X1 - to Peterlee
X1A - to Dalton Park
X1B - to Haswell Plough
X1C - current X1A to Picktree
Maybe the Gods are watching over the forum, or the wrong version was uploaded originally. Either way, an improvement.
Ironically I think this is even more confusing. Most people along the route want an X1. If you're travelling further south then be guided by the destination....simples. Having said that variations along a route do need different numbers, so the current X1A does need clarity in a number too.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Retro Nero - 20 Mar 2026
(20 Mar 2026, 10:17 am), Sland2000 wrote Ironically I think this is even more confusing. Most people along the route want an X1. If you're travelling further south then be guided by the destination....simples. Having said that variations along a route do need different numbers, so the current X1A does need clarity in a number too.
A lot of people don't even read the destination, the amount of people who put out their hands for a "Not in Service" or " Engineer, Bus on Test" is unbelievable
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - BusLoverMum - 20 Mar 2026
(20 Mar 2026, 10:52 am)Retro Nero wrote A lot of people don't even read the destination, the amount of people who put out their hands for a "Not in Service" or " Engineer, Bus on Test" is unbelievable
That might be an eyesight issue. I was having problems, last year and struggled to read the blinds, at times, especially during the day.
RE: Bus Consultion for May 2026 - Arriva7446 - 20 Mar 2026
Yeah I struggle with eyesight a lot, and so I used to have to stop all the buses as I can only see the destination close up, though white blinds are a bit easier. Now I check all my buses on Bustimes so I know what type of vehicle to expect and when it is coming, so I only have to stop the wrong one if it is the same vehicle type at the same time as the one I want.
Clear destinations are very important though, hopefully from an eyesight point of view, adding in this A, B and C, does not make the service number smaller so harder to see.