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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 08 Jun 2016
(08 Jun 2016, 6:26 pm)Adrian Going over the same ground here, but it's going to be a matter of opinion. I've absolutely no influence who Witney Conservatives and the constituents select and elect as their MP, nor do I have any say over Cameron becoming the Prime Minister as a result of his party gaining a Commons majority.
The same as a Conservative party member has no influence over Labour elects as their leader. They can't join, become a supporter or affiliate to the Labour Party, under chapter 2 of the rule book.
Like I say though, it's a matter of opinion.
How is it opinion? Everything stated so far about the process has been fact.
Whether it is about the people in Whitney, party members or the MEP's and the process involved in electing Junker.
The only opinion was about the levels of democracy involved.
Moving on, did you see Andrew Neil with Gideon tonight? If looks could kill, Neil would be a pile of ash now.
(08 Jun 2016, 6:42 pm)MurdnunoC Glad you bring up Corbyn and the Labour Leadership election here as, in my opinion, it exemplifies the lack of public and party involvement in choosing a party leader (and potential PM) due to the politicking of those in the Parliamentary Labour Party.
While Corbyn has the overwhelming support of party members, he certainly did not have the support of those responsible of putting him on the ballot paper. If the PLP didn't underestimate his popularity with certain MP's nominating him despite having no intention of backing him, it's doubtful he would have made it as we've heard from the likes of Margaret Beckett and such.
Party politics aside, this has a direct effect on the electorate as the will of the party is not reflected in its leader, or potentially, the PM. If Labour happens to win the next General Election, one can argue Corbyn's assertion is accidental win due the nature of his appointment. If he ousted before then due to a vote of no confidence by the PLP, one can argue that his dismissal is against the will of party members and therefore undemocratic.
Either way, his position is dependant on the few and not the many.
I thought the 'politics' behind the selecting of Corbyn as a candidate for party leadership, a joke.
However, the majority of party members picked him in an open, democratic process and did so because presumably they think he will make a good leader and believe his policies will lead to an election victory.
I agree with the point about a potential ousting and have stated something about that on here in the past. The irony being, that those involved in ousting him, may end up ousted themselves - this time by the public.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 08 Jun 2016
The deadline for registering to vote in the EU referendum has been extended, the government has said.
Cabinet Office minister Matt Hancock said the government would legislate to extend the cut-off until midnight on Thursday.
It follows a computer glitch which left some people unable to sign up before the original midnight Tuesday deadline.
The Electoral Commission urged people to sign up until the end of Thursday in order to vote on 23 June.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36480764
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 09 Jun 2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-36467169
There were questions yesterday (mb134?), about a possible General Election.
Mark Mardell from the BBC, reckons there could be one before Christmas.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Andreos1 - 16 Jun 2016
https://twitter.com/UKPressOnline/status/743428093461790720
20 years ago today, lots of protests against EU policy, during a summit in Sweden.
However, the shooting and stabbing of an MP during a surgery in West Yorkshire, puts the EU debate to one side today.
Hopefully she makes a full recovery.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - beefcake - 16 Jun 2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304
Labour MP dies after being shot and stabbed in her constituency. Absolutely horrific news. Thoughts with her family.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 16 Jun 2016
(16 Jun 2016, 4:55 pm)beefcake http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304Just seen it on Twitter...
Labour MP dies after being shot and stabbed in her constituency. Absolutely horrific news. Thoughts with her family.
Shocking
R.I.P
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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 16 Jun 2016
(16 Jun 2016, 4:55 pm)beefcake http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304
Labour MP dies after being shot and stabbed in her constituency. Absolutely horrific news. Thoughts with her family.
Shocking news, R.I.P
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - BusLoverMum - 16 Jun 2016
(16 Jun 2016, 4:55 pm)beefcake http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304
Labour MP dies after being shot and stabbed in her constituency. Absolutely horrific news. Thoughts with her family.
Dignified and thoughtful response from her husband. (quoted here)
https://twitter.com/ChukaUmunna/status/743491377368080384
The actions of what appears to be a racist bigot against a woman doing the job she carried out so passionately have left 2 small children without their mum.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 16 Jun 2016
(16 Jun 2016, 4:55 pm)beefcake http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36550304
Labour MP dies after being shot and stabbed in her constituency. Absolutely horrific news. Thoughts with her family.
Horrifying news. Thoughts are with her family and friends.
It's disgusting that in a civilised society, someone can be murdered in cold blood on our streets. Not to mention doing one of the most important jobs of all; democratically elected to public duty, to represent her thousands of constituents on a national platform.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MrFozz - 16 Jun 2016
(16 Jun 2016, 7:33 pm)Adrian Horrifying news. Thoughts are with her family and friends.
It's disgusting that in a civilised society, someone can be murdered in cold blood on our streets. Not to mention doing one of the most important jobs of all; democratically elected to public duty, to represent her thousands of constituents on a national platform.
I second that Adrian...
Makes me sick, it is sad enough to hear about things like this in places like the Middle East or Central and Latin America, it is horrible when it happens in our own back yard.
Whoever did this and I believe the Police have someone for it, they should fry for it, whatever our political beliefs, we all need to stand together and unite against the kind of hatred we have seen on this terrible day...Sad enough a woman being murdered in cold blood, even sadder that her children lost there mother.
I have a little recollection of the last serving MP to die in office, Ian Gow, I believe, and iirc correctly, that was absolutely shocking as well ?
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RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - BusLoverMum - 16 Jun 2016
(16 Jun 2016, 9:05 pm)MrFozz I second that Adrian...
Makes me sick, it is sad enough to hear about things like this in places like the Middle East or Central and Latin America, it is horrible when it happens in our own back yard.
Whoever did this and I believe the Police have someone for it, they should fry for it, whatever our political beliefs, we all need to stand together and unite against the kind of hatred we have seen on this terrible day...Sad enough a woman being murdered in cold blood, even sadder that her children lost there mother.
I have a little recollection of the last serving MP to die in office, Ian Gow, I believe, and iirc correctly, that was absolutely shocking as well ?
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Apparently so
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/jo-cox-first-mp-murdered-8211824
Though there have been ohter, more recent attacks during parliamentary surgeries. I came across some stats, earlier, that 85% of MPs have been or felt physically threatened and about 1/3 have felt in real danger, at some point. Shocking statistics.
The thing that really chokes me up is that her kids are 3 and 5, now. It's only a few short years before they'll be browsing the Internet independently and able to read the horrific accounts of her attack
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 19 Jun 2016
Anyone watching the remain debate with David Cameron?
Oh dear David.... tbh its not going well for him..........
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 19 Jun 2016
(19 Jun 2016, 6:03 pm)Michael Anyone watching the remain debate with David Cameron?
Oh dear David.... tbh its not going well for him..........
Nope - I'm sick of it all now to be honest. I've voted, so I'll not be watching anything else on it until the vote closes.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 19 Jun 2016
(19 Jun 2016, 6:14 pm)Adrian Nope - I'm sick of it all now to be honest. I've voted, so I'll not be watching anything else on it until the vote closes.
I'm sick of hearing it to but i wanted to watch it as i wanted to know why they want me to stay but David is swinging me towards leaving, hes just hopeless and not answering questions.
The audience is asking questions which we all want to hear and hes just avoiding some and giving a total different answer..........
Sick of all the scaremongering from BOTH sides....we don't know what will happen if we leave, it could be the best decision ever but then it could be the worst....
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - NK53 TKT - 19 Jun 2016
(19 Jun 2016, 6:21 pm)Michael I'm sick of hearing it to but i wanted to watch it as i wanted to know why they want me to stay but David is swinging me towards leaving, hes just hopeless and not answering questions.
The audience is asking questions which we all want to hear and hes just avoiding some and giving a total different answer..........
Sick of all the scaremongering from BOTH sides....we don't know what will happen if we leave, it could be the best decision ever but then it could be the worst....
Sadly I can't vote but personally I think leave
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 19 Jun 2016
(19 Jun 2016, 6:32 pm)NK53 TKT Sadly I can't vote but personally I think leave
David gave me no thoughts on why we should remain.... so it looks like I'll be voting leave.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - NK53 TKT - 19 Jun 2016
(19 Jun 2016, 6:36 pm)Michael David gave me no thoughts on why we should remain.... so it looks like I'll be voting leave.
Good for you, mind I'm not a fan of Gove
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - MurdnunoC - 20 Jun 2016
(19 Jun 2016, 6:14 pm)Adrian Nope - I'm sick of it all now to be honest. I've voted, so I'll not be watching anything else on it until the vote closes.
Likewise.
My mind was made up long before the scaremongering began and before the political heavyweights from either side were wheeled out. I don't think I've watched any of televised debates in the run-up to the referendum because, quite frankly, neither side has had anything new to say on the matter. The only remotely interesting thing in this campaign has been the Tory infighting which will almost certainly continue after votes have been cast and the dust has settled.
The problem with 'Project Fear' is that it becomes boring after a week; and only the weak-minded are taken in by the hysteria 'Project Fear' creates. Dig a little deeper and you'll see the arguments unravel right before your eyes. This, of course, applies to both the Remain and Leave camps.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Adrian - 20 Jun 2016
Parliament was of course recalled today, to hear tributes to Jo Cox MP. The full sitting (about 1h15m in duration) can be found here - http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/5f06a09d-c1e0-4543-b946-461725b1256e
I've just sat and watched it through, and it's full of really moving speeches from all corners of the house. Rather unusual, but warranted, MPs left the chamber to a huge round of applause.
I recommend watching, even if only listen to the keynote speeches at the start.
RE: Politics (and other political stuff) - Michael - 22 Jun 2016
Stupid question but here it is anyway...
I signed up in April to vote in the EU referendum and the email said Sunderland Council would get back to me to tell me that i can vote but they haven't...
Does this mean i can still vote?
Here is part of the email:
Thanks for your application to be added to the electoral register or to update your details.
Your reference number is (removed my number)
We've sent your application to Sunderland City Council. They'll contact you as soon as possible to confirm you're registered to vote, or to ask for more information.
If you have any questions about your application, contact them using the details below.