Tyne and Wear Metro
Tyne and Wear Metro
(21 Feb 2015, 11:39 am)aureolin Similar issues with the X1 and 21 yesterday too. Important to note that it's not just badly run Metro systems that suffer from gaps in service.
(21 Feb 2015, 11:39 am)aureolin Similar issues with the X1 and 21 yesterday too. Important to note that it's not just badly run Metro systems that suffer from gaps in service.
(21 Feb 2015, 12:36 pm)citaro5284 Agree to a point, but there is nothing in the way of the Metro's unlike the buses.....traffic, roadworks etc.
(21 Feb 2015, 12:36 pm)citaro5284 Agree to a point, but there is nothing in the way of the Metro's unlike the buses.....traffic, roadworks etc.
(21 Feb 2015, 3:38 pm)roar Must agree with citaro5284 here, the two can not be compared. Metro is running on rail's, only thing that gets in its way is other metro's or national rail trains between Pelaw and Sunderland. Buses have traffic to deal with, tickets to issue, customers to enquires to deal with. And the worst at the moment is incompetent council's, non-existant parking control, poor bus stop positioning and just poor planning.
Just to give a few examples of the problems buses face in Sunderland due to council involvement
No traffic control on Vine Place/Holmeside or at other problem areas like Pallion, Southwick ect.
Traffic lights that are set up against buses. John Street to West Wear street is on green then when they change to red the lights that take you onto Wearmouth bridge change from green to red, then the confusion to deal with from other drivers as the traffic lights here are signaled as NO RIGHT TURN so effectively nothing should then turn right onto Wearmouth Bridge. Badly positioned bus stop infrastructure, bus stops positioned that close to the curb its impossible to pull up at the bus stop close to the curb because the bus stop pole, shelter or other street furniture will either remove the near side mirror or miss judge you position by an inch and your scrapping the front corner of the bus.
Anyway enough about that and back on subject of the Tyne and Wear metro. Nexus only franchised it out because they new it was about to crumble. DB were basically given a spanner to try and tighten a screw, why is nobody shouting for nexus to take back control??? The only thing that should have happened was that they should have been made to sell it into private ownership. DB, First, Go-Ahead, Stagecoach or any of the other private transport company's would have made the system make a profit, anyone that says they couldn't is just saying the system will never be profitable and we as tax payers will constantly be paying to try and make something work that never will.
(21 Feb 2015, 3:38 pm)roar Must agree with citaro5284 here, the two can not be compared. Metro is running on rail's, only thing that gets in its way is other metro's or national rail trains between Pelaw and Sunderland. Buses have traffic to deal with, tickets to issue, customers to enquires to deal with. And the worst at the moment is incompetent council's, non-existant parking control, poor bus stop positioning and just poor planning.
Just to give a few examples of the problems buses face in Sunderland due to council involvement
No traffic control on Vine Place/Holmeside or at other problem areas like Pallion, Southwick ect.
Traffic lights that are set up against buses. John Street to West Wear street is on green then when they change to red the lights that take you onto Wearmouth bridge change from green to red, then the confusion to deal with from other drivers as the traffic lights here are signaled as NO RIGHT TURN so effectively nothing should then turn right onto Wearmouth Bridge. Badly positioned bus stop infrastructure, bus stops positioned that close to the curb its impossible to pull up at the bus stop close to the curb because the bus stop pole, shelter or other street furniture will either remove the near side mirror or miss judge you position by an inch and your scrapping the front corner of the bus.
Anyway enough about that and back on subject of the Tyne and Wear metro. Nexus only franchised it out because they new it was about to crumble. DB were basically given a spanner to try and tighten a screw, why is nobody shouting for nexus to take back control??? The only thing that should have happened was that they should have been made to sell it into private ownership. DB, First, Go-Ahead, Stagecoach or any of the other private transport company's would have made the system make a profit, anyone that says they couldn't is just saying the system will never be profitable and we as tax payers will constantly be paying to try and make something work that never will.
(21 Feb 2015, 3:38 pm)roar Must agree with citaro5284 here, the two can not be compared. Metro is running on rail's, only thing that gets in its way is other metro's or national rail trains between Pelaw and Sunderland. Buses have traffic to deal with, tickets to issue, customers to enquires to deal with. And the worst at the moment is incompetent council's, non-existant parking control, poor bus stop positioning and just poor planning.
Just to give a few examples of the problems buses face in Sunderland due to council involvement
No traffic control on Vine Place/Holmeside or at other problem areas like Pallion, Southwick ect.
Traffic lights that are set up against buses. John Street to West Wear street is on green then when they change to red the lights that take you onto Wearmouth bridge change from green to red, then the confusion to deal with from other drivers as the traffic lights here are signaled as NO RIGHT TURN so effectively nothing should then turn right onto Wearmouth Bridge. Badly positioned bus stop infrastructure, bus stops positioned that close to the curb its impossible to pull up at the bus stop close to the curb because the bus stop pole, shelter or other street furniture will either remove the near side mirror or miss judge you position by an inch and your scrapping the front corner of the bus.
Anyway enough about that and back on subject of the Tyne and Wear metro. Nexus only franchised it out because they new it was about to crumble. DB were basically given a spanner to try and tighten a screw, why is nobody shouting for nexus to take back control??? The only thing that should have happened was that they should have been made to sell it into private ownership. DB, First, Go-Ahead, Stagecoach or any of the other private transport company's would have made the system make a profit, anyone that says they couldn't is just saying the system will never be profitable and we as tax payers will constantly be paying to try and make something work that never will.
(21 Feb 2015, 3:38 pm)roar Must agree with citaro5284 here, the two can not be compared. Metro is running on rail's, only thing that gets in its way is other metro's or national rail trains between Pelaw and Sunderland. Buses have traffic to deal with, tickets to issue, customers to enquires to deal with. And the worst at the moment is incompetent council's, non-existant parking control, poor bus stop positioning and just poor planning.
Just to give a few examples of the problems buses face in Sunderland due to council involvement
No traffic control on Vine Place/Holmeside or at other problem areas like Pallion, Southwick ect.
Traffic lights that are set up against buses. John Street to West Wear street is on green then when they change to red the lights that take you onto Wearmouth bridge change from green to red, then the confusion to deal with from other drivers as the traffic lights here are signaled as NO RIGHT TURN so effectively nothing should then turn right onto Wearmouth Bridge. Badly positioned bus stop infrastructure, bus stops positioned that close to the curb its impossible to pull up at the bus stop close to the curb because the bus stop pole, shelter or other street furniture will either remove the near side mirror or miss judge you position by an inch and your scrapping the front corner of the bus.
Anyway enough about that and back on subject of the Tyne and Wear metro. Nexus only franchised it out because they new it was about to crumble. DB were basically given a spanner to try and tighten a screw, why is nobody shouting for nexus to take back control??? The only thing that should have happened was that they should have been made to sell it into private ownership. DB, First, Go-Ahead, Stagecoach or any of the other private transport company's would have made the system make a profit, anyone that says they couldn't is just saying the system will never be profitable and we as tax payers will constantly be paying to try and make something work that never will.
At what point were Nexus intending to discover depreciation, I wonder?
Posted at 14:30 this afternoon...
A train has been withdrawn from service at Regent Centre. Due to this we have a gap in the service of up to 20 mins to trains running between South Gosforth and Airport / St James. Please leave extra time for your journey if you're travelling in the area.
Posted at 20:36 tonight...
The earlier delay between South Gosforth and Airport and The Coast has now cleared. This was due to a train being withdrawn from service.
It took six hours to overcome the delays? Wonder if this coincides with the frequency dropping from 12 to 15 at this time of night - enough trains to cover the PVR of this section of the line, now, perhaps?
Undoubtedly.
Whilst not perfect, it would at least be understandable if the failure was south of the blockade (e.g. no reserve trains stationed at pelaw, or such like). But that this happened on the section of line running right past the depot rather smacks more of no driver resource.
Which really should not have been the case because excess drivers should have been available today due to the planned section of route without service "freeing up" staff.
Utter shambles.
Noticed this post on Facebook - if you have no faith in the metro sign it!
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/v...-and-twita
(22 Feb 2015, 10:07 pm)Tom Noticed this post on Facebook - if you have no faith in the metro sign it!
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/v...-and-twita
(22 Feb 2015, 10:07 pm)Tom Noticed this post on Facebook - if you have no faith in the metro sign it!
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/v...-and-twita
They'll get enough signatures in the end, thousands of people use the Metro and are surely disappointed about how disruptive it has become.
I'm a very rare user of it myself, and the over-crowdedness, the state of the trains, etc, would have put me off for life! But, I am a transport enthusiast, and I like these things regardless of their condition.
Doubtfully, as Dan says, will the petition be able to have much effect.
(22 Feb 2015, 10:12 pm)Dan I'm sure you'll be able to opt out of e-mails if they start to send you them regularly, too. If the petition actually has an impact, I'm sure it'll be worth it, but I'm doubtful it will.
(22 Feb 2015, 10:12 pm)Dan I'm sure you'll be able to opt out of e-mails if they start to send you them regularly, too. If the petition actually has an impact, I'm sure it'll be worth it, but I'm doubtful it will.
Pathetic today like!
06:30 - Trains towards Park Lane and South Hylton are currently delayed due to the overrun of Network Rail engineering works. Passengers travelling between Pelaw and South Hylton (in both directions) should expect delay to their journey. Tickets are being accepted on Go North East bus services X36 and 29 from Heworth to Sunderland.
11:30 - There are delays of up to 30 mins to trains running between South Shields and St James due to obstruction on the line. Please leave extra time for your journey.
17:45 - Walkergate is closed and trains will not be stopping at this station until further notice. This is due to a problem with the power supply. Go North East are accepting Metro tickets on bus services 1 between Chillingham Road and Wallsend. We're sorry for any inconvenience.
(24 Feb 2015, 5:54 pm)Tom Pathetic today like!In all fairness the first one was completely out of their control so there's nothing they could have done since it was caused by engineering work done by a separate entity.
06:30 - Trains towards Park Lane and South Hylton are currently delayed due to the overrun of Network Rail engineering works. Passengers travelling between Pelaw and South Hylton (in both directions) should expect delay to their journey. Tickets are being accepted on Go North East bus services X36 and 29 from Heworth to Sunderland.
11:30 - There are delays of up to 30 mins to trains running between South Shields and St James due to obstruction on the line. Please leave extra time for your journey.
17:45 - Walkergate is closed and trains will not be stopping at this station until further notice. This is due to a problem with the power supply. Go North East are accepting Metro tickets on bus services 1 between Chillingham Road and Wallsend. We're sorry for any inconvenience.
(24 Feb 2015, 5:54 pm)Tom Pathetic today like!In all fairness the first one was completely out of their control so there's nothing they could have done since it was caused by engineering work done by a separate entity.
06:30 - Trains towards Park Lane and South Hylton are currently delayed due to the overrun of Network Rail engineering works. Passengers travelling between Pelaw and South Hylton (in both directions) should expect delay to their journey. Tickets are being accepted on Go North East bus services X36 and 29 from Heworth to Sunderland.
11:30 - There are delays of up to 30 mins to trains running between South Shields and St James due to obstruction on the line. Please leave extra time for your journey.
17:45 - Walkergate is closed and trains will not be stopping at this station until further notice. This is due to a problem with the power supply. Go North East are accepting Metro tickets on bus services 1 between Chillingham Road and Wallsend. We're sorry for any inconvenience.
(24 Feb 2015, 8:20 pm)Busman69 In all fairness the first one was completely out of their control so there's nothing they could have done since it was caused by engineering work done by a separate entity.Apparently it was lights on the platform being out - H&S issues I imagine.
Same sort of goes for the second, while I was one of those affected by the delays I can understand that they can't prevent objects obstructing the line. However the speed of the response was somewhat disappointing and should have been better.
I can't really say anything on the third but my gut tells me they could have done something about that so of those three there's only one I can see them being completely accountable for
(24 Feb 2015, 8:20 pm)Busman69 In all fairness the first one was completely out of their control so there's nothing they could have done since it was caused by engineering work done by a separate entity.Apparently it was lights on the platform being out - H&S issues I imagine.
Same sort of goes for the second, while I was one of those affected by the delays I can understand that they can't prevent objects obstructing the line. However the speed of the response was somewhat disappointing and should have been better.
I can't really say anything on the third but my gut tells me they could have done something about that so of those three there's only one I can see them being completely accountable for
(24 Feb 2015, 5:54 pm)Tom Pathetic today like!
06:30 - Trains towards Park Lane and South Hylton are currently delayed due to the overrun of Network Rail engineering works. Passengers travelling between Pelaw and South Hylton (in both directions) should expect delay to their journey. Tickets are being accepted on Go North East bus services X36 and 29 from Heworth to Sunderland.
17:45 - Walkergate is closed and trains will not be stopping at this station until further notice. This is due to a problem with the power supply. Go North East are accepting Metro tickets on bus services 1 between Chillingham Road and Wallsend. We're sorry for any inconvenience.
(24 Feb 2015, 5:54 pm)Tom Pathetic today like!
06:30 - Trains towards Park Lane and South Hylton are currently delayed due to the overrun of Network Rail engineering works. Passengers travelling between Pelaw and South Hylton (in both directions) should expect delay to their journey. Tickets are being accepted on Go North East bus services X36 and 29 from Heworth to Sunderland.
17:45 - Walkergate is closed and trains will not be stopping at this station until further notice. This is due to a problem with the power supply. Go North East are accepting Metro tickets on bus services 1 between Chillingham Road and Wallsend. We're sorry for any inconvenience.
Just viewed this youtube video on another forum. Some stupid but very lucky people.
Forcing the doors open.