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Tom



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17 Apr 2014, 4:10 pm #41
(17 Apr 2014, 4:07 pm)Dan You looking for a DSLR or a or a smaller one?

Depends really. Ideally a smaller one, but if I can get a decent price for a DSLR, then a DSLR would be excellent.
Tom
17 Apr 2014, 4:10 pm #41

(17 Apr 2014, 4:07 pm)Dan You looking for a DSLR or a or a smaller one?

Depends really. Ideally a smaller one, but if I can get a decent price for a DSLR, then a DSLR would be excellent.

Dan

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17 Apr 2014, 4:11 pm #42
(17 Apr 2014, 4:10 pm)Tom Depends really. Ideally a smaller one, but if I can get a decent price for a DSLR, then a DSLR would be excellent.

What would you say your price limit was?
Dan
17 Apr 2014, 4:11 pm #42

(17 Apr 2014, 4:10 pm)Tom Depends really. Ideally a smaller one, but if I can get a decent price for a DSLR, then a DSLR would be excellent.

What would you say your price limit was?

Tom



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17 Apr 2014, 4:14 pm #43
(17 Apr 2014, 4:11 pm)Dan What would you say your price limit was?

I'll be suggesting a camera for my birthday in two weeks, but lets say £200?
Tom
17 Apr 2014, 4:14 pm #43

(17 Apr 2014, 4:11 pm)Dan What would you say your price limit was?

I'll be suggesting a camera for my birthday in two weeks, but lets say £200?

Dan

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17 Apr 2014, 4:24 pm #44
(17 Apr 2014, 4:14 pm)Tom I'll be suggesting a camera for my birthday in two weeks, but lets say £200?

Well the cheapest DSLR I can find is £250, so you'd probably have to look at a Point & Shoot...
Dan
17 Apr 2014, 4:24 pm #44

(17 Apr 2014, 4:14 pm)Tom I'll be suggesting a camera for my birthday in two weeks, but lets say £200?

Well the cheapest DSLR I can find is £250, so you'd probably have to look at a Point & Shoot...

Tom



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17 Apr 2014, 4:25 pm #45
(17 Apr 2014, 4:24 pm)Dan Well the cheapest DSLR I can find is £250, so you'd probably have to look at a Point & Shoot...

Suppose £250 is all right - What one is that?
Tom
17 Apr 2014, 4:25 pm #45

(17 Apr 2014, 4:24 pm)Dan Well the cheapest DSLR I can find is £250, so you'd probably have to look at a Point & Shoot...

Suppose £250 is all right - What one is that?

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17 Apr 2014, 4:30 pm #46
(17 Apr 2014, 4:25 pm)Tom Suppose £250 is all right - What one is that?

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/cameras/dig...eInfo=2_20&sSortInfo=price-asc

My friend has a Canon and absolutely loves it. He mainly uses it for video but his photos have appeared to be quite good in terms of quality too.
Dan
17 Apr 2014, 4:30 pm #46

(17 Apr 2014, 4:25 pm)Tom Suppose £250 is all right - What one is that?

http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/cameras/dig...eInfo=2_20&sSortInfo=price-asc

My friend has a Canon and absolutely loves it. He mainly uses it for video but his photos have appeared to be quite good in terms of quality too.

Tom



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17 Apr 2014, 4:31 pm #47
(17 Apr 2014, 4:30 pm)Dan http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/cameras/dig...eInfo=2_20&sSortInfo=price-asc

My friend has a Canon and absolutely loves it. He mainly uses it for video but his photos have appeared to be quite good in terms of quality too.

Thanks, might try it.
As I've never used a DSLR before, what's the main differences between a point and shoot camera to a DSLR?
Tom
17 Apr 2014, 4:31 pm #47

(17 Apr 2014, 4:30 pm)Dan http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/cameras/dig...eInfo=2_20&sSortInfo=price-asc

My friend has a Canon and absolutely loves it. He mainly uses it for video but his photos have appeared to be quite good in terms of quality too.

Thanks, might try it.
As I've never used a DSLR before, what's the main differences between a point and shoot camera to a DSLR?

Dan

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17 Apr 2014, 4:38 pm #48
(17 Apr 2014, 4:31 pm)Tom Thanks, might try it.
As I've never used a DSLR before, what's the main differences between a point and shoot camera to a DSLR?

You have a lot more control with a DSLR. Night shots are so easy to take with a DSLR compared to a standard Point & Shoot.
I find that battery life is far superior too.
Dan
17 Apr 2014, 4:38 pm #48

(17 Apr 2014, 4:31 pm)Tom Thanks, might try it.
As I've never used a DSLR before, what's the main differences between a point and shoot camera to a DSLR?

You have a lot more control with a DSLR. Night shots are so easy to take with a DSLR compared to a standard Point & Shoot.
I find that battery life is far superior too.

Tom



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17 Apr 2014, 4:39 pm #49
(17 Apr 2014, 4:38 pm)Dan You have a lot more control with a DSLR. Night shots are so easy to take with a DSLR compared to a standard Point & Shoot.
I find that battery life is far superior too.

Cheers Smile
Tom
17 Apr 2014, 4:39 pm #49

(17 Apr 2014, 4:38 pm)Dan You have a lot more control with a DSLR. Night shots are so easy to take with a DSLR compared to a standard Point & Shoot.
I find that battery life is far superior too.

Cheers Smile

Adrian



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17 Apr 2014, 4:42 pm #50
I'll make the same suggestion that I made to Dan last year - get a DSLR. Tongue You really won't regret saving/spending the extra money on one when you see how good they are.

I notice on Flickr that there's a good few people using Nikon D3100s. They've now been superseded by the D3200 as Nikon's new entry level DSLR, which I think retails for about £350 with the standard 18-55mm VR lens. I've got the D5100 with the same lens and can honestly say they're worth every penny.

I notice Canon EOS 1100D DSLRs (with a 18-55mm lens) seem to have been reduced all over the place now. Amazon are selling them for £239.99, whereas I've never seen them below about £399 previously. Absolute bargain.

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17 Apr 2014, 4:42 pm #50

I'll make the same suggestion that I made to Dan last year - get a DSLR. Tongue You really won't regret saving/spending the extra money on one when you see how good they are.

I notice on Flickr that there's a good few people using Nikon D3100s. They've now been superseded by the D3200 as Nikon's new entry level DSLR, which I think retails for about £350 with the standard 18-55mm VR lens. I've got the D5100 with the same lens and can honestly say they're worth every penny.

I notice Canon EOS 1100D DSLRs (with a 18-55mm lens) seem to have been reduced all over the place now. Amazon are selling them for £239.99, whereas I've never seen them below about £399 previously. Absolute bargain.


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17 Apr 2014, 5:06 pm #51
(17 Apr 2014, 4:42 pm)aureolin I'll make the same suggestion that I made to Dan last year - get a DSLR. Tongue You really won't regret saving/spending the extra money on one when you see how good they are.

I notice on Flickr that there's a good few people using Nikon D3100s. They've now been superseded by the D3200 as Nikon's new entry level DSLR, which I think retails for about £350 with the standard 18-55mm VR lens. I've got the D5100 with the same lens and can honestly say they're worth every penny.

I notice Canon EOS 1100D DSLRs (with a 18-55mm lens) seem to have been reduced all over the place now. Amazon are selling them for £239.99, whereas I've never seen them below about £399 previously. Absolute bargain.

How much are the D5100's like?
Tom
17 Apr 2014, 5:06 pm #51

(17 Apr 2014, 4:42 pm)aureolin I'll make the same suggestion that I made to Dan last year - get a DSLR. Tongue You really won't regret saving/spending the extra money on one when you see how good they are.

I notice on Flickr that there's a good few people using Nikon D3100s. They've now been superseded by the D3200 as Nikon's new entry level DSLR, which I think retails for about £350 with the standard 18-55mm VR lens. I've got the D5100 with the same lens and can honestly say they're worth every penny.

I notice Canon EOS 1100D DSLRs (with a 18-55mm lens) seem to have been reduced all over the place now. Amazon are selling them for £239.99, whereas I've never seen them below about £399 previously. Absolute bargain.

How much are the D5100's like?

Dan

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17 Apr 2014, 5:24 pm #52
(17 Apr 2014, 5:06 pm)Tom How much are the D5100's like?

I got mine from Argos when it costed £469. It's gone up in price since to £489, but I got mine insured and all sorts so it came to more than £500 iirc.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/pa...778959.htm

Comes with a bag, tripod and memory card. The bag is quite big too - I usually fit a phone charger in there, my "Anker", my Panasonic DMC-TZ40 and any bits of paper I have on me.
Dan
17 Apr 2014, 5:24 pm #52

(17 Apr 2014, 5:06 pm)Tom How much are the D5100's like?

I got mine from Argos when it costed £469. It's gone up in price since to £489, but I got mine insured and all sorts so it came to more than £500 iirc.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/pa...778959.htm

Comes with a bag, tripod and memory card. The bag is quite big too - I usually fit a phone charger in there, my "Anker", my Panasonic DMC-TZ40 and any bits of paper I have on me.

Tom



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17 Apr 2014, 5:37 pm #53
(17 Apr 2014, 5:24 pm)Dan I got mine from Argos when it costed £469. It's gone up in price since to £489, but I got mine insured and all sorts so it came to more than £500 iirc.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/pa...778959.htm

Comes with a bag, tripod and memory card. The bag is quite big too - I usually fit a phone charger in there, my "Anker", my Panasonic DMC-TZ40 and any bits of paper I have on me.

Ah that's a bit expensive.
Tom
17 Apr 2014, 5:37 pm #53

(17 Apr 2014, 5:24 pm)Dan I got mine from Argos when it costed £469. It's gone up in price since to £489, but I got mine insured and all sorts so it came to more than £500 iirc.
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/pa...778959.htm

Comes with a bag, tripod and memory card. The bag is quite big too - I usually fit a phone charger in there, my "Anker", my Panasonic DMC-TZ40 and any bits of paper I have on me.

Ah that's a bit expensive.

17 Apr 2014, 6:56 pm #54
I bought a refurbished Nikon D3100 in mid-2012 and can honestly say I've never looked back since.
I never thought I would buy a DSLR, but when I suddenly realised that my old camera was crap (Nikon Coolpix L120 bridge camera), I took the plunge.

They're flaming hard to learn at first with settings and menus here, there and everywhere, but once you get the hang of it, they're great.
I like how Dan has mentioned that DSLRs are easy(!), that is still beyond me! I have taken a couple of flukes though, such as:
[Image: 11278015756_1c0097eaf5_c.jpg]Go North East 6007 NK11BHL by Northern156, on Flickr
But even that had to be flooded with light!!!

The main thing you'll find with DSLRs is the amount of accessories that you need. Lenses is obviously a big one, but even stuff like remote controls - I just bought one two weeks ago to try and improve my night photography. (Not used it yet though!)
Tripods, lens caps, spare batteries, lens filters, stuff like that.

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17 Apr 2014, 6:56 pm #54

I bought a refurbished Nikon D3100 in mid-2012 and can honestly say I've never looked back since.
I never thought I would buy a DSLR, but when I suddenly realised that my old camera was crap (Nikon Coolpix L120 bridge camera), I took the plunge.

They're flaming hard to learn at first with settings and menus here, there and everywhere, but once you get the hang of it, they're great.
I like how Dan has mentioned that DSLRs are easy(!), that is still beyond me! I have taken a couple of flukes though, such as:
[Image: 11278015756_1c0097eaf5_c.jpg]Go North East 6007 NK11BHL by Northern156, on Flickr
But even that had to be flooded with light!!!

The main thing you'll find with DSLRs is the amount of accessories that you need. Lenses is obviously a big one, but even stuff like remote controls - I just bought one two weeks ago to try and improve my night photography. (Not used it yet though!)
Tripods, lens caps, spare batteries, lens filters, stuff like that.


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17 Apr 2014, 7:16 pm #55
(17 Apr 2014, 6:56 pm)northern156 I bought a refurbished Nikon D3100 in mid-2012 and can honestly say I've never looked back since.
I never thought I would buy a DSLR, but when I suddenly realised that my old camera was crap (Nikon Coolpix L120 bridge camera), I took the plunge.

They're flaming hard to learn at first with settings and menus here, there and everywhere, but once you get the hang of it, they're great.
I like how Dan has mentioned that DSLRs are easy(!), that is still beyond me! I have taken a couple of flukes though, such as:
[Image: 11278015756_1c0097eaf5_c.jpg]Go North East 6007 NK11BHL by Northern156, on Flickr
But even that had to be flooded with light!!!

The main thing you'll find with DSLRs is the amount of accessories that you need. Lenses is obviously a big one, but even stuff like remote controls - I just bought one two weeks ago to try and improve my night photography. (Not used it yet though!)
Tripods, lens caps, spare batteries, lens filters, stuff like that.

Thanks for the advice. Is a tripod essential, though?
Tom
17 Apr 2014, 7:16 pm #55

(17 Apr 2014, 6:56 pm)northern156 I bought a refurbished Nikon D3100 in mid-2012 and can honestly say I've never looked back since.
I never thought I would buy a DSLR, but when I suddenly realised that my old camera was crap (Nikon Coolpix L120 bridge camera), I took the plunge.

They're flaming hard to learn at first with settings and menus here, there and everywhere, but once you get the hang of it, they're great.
I like how Dan has mentioned that DSLRs are easy(!), that is still beyond me! I have taken a couple of flukes though, such as:
[Image: 11278015756_1c0097eaf5_c.jpg]Go North East 6007 NK11BHL by Northern156, on Flickr
But even that had to be flooded with light!!!

The main thing you'll find with DSLRs is the amount of accessories that you need. Lenses is obviously a big one, but even stuff like remote controls - I just bought one two weeks ago to try and improve my night photography. (Not used it yet though!)
Tripods, lens caps, spare batteries, lens filters, stuff like that.

Thanks for the advice. Is a tripod essential, though?

Dan

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17 Apr 2014, 7:31 pm #56
(17 Apr 2014, 6:56 pm)northern156 They're flaming hard to learn at first with settings and menus here, there and everywhere, but once you get the hang of it, they're great.
I like how Dan has mentioned that DSLRs are easy(!), that is still beyond me!

Completely agree - at first they're hideously difficult to use. Trial and error allows you to become familiar with the best settings to use though, as well as a bit of reading.

Night photography with DSLRs is so much easier than night photography with Point & Shoots, but that's just my personal opinion. I've even tried night photography with both using the exact same manual settings, and the quality of the photograph produced by the DSLR has been far superior.

(17 Apr 2014, 7:16 pm)Tom Thanks for the advice. Is a tripod essential, though?

I ain't used mine yet!
Dan
17 Apr 2014, 7:31 pm #56

(17 Apr 2014, 6:56 pm)northern156 They're flaming hard to learn at first with settings and menus here, there and everywhere, but once you get the hang of it, they're great.
I like how Dan has mentioned that DSLRs are easy(!), that is still beyond me!

Completely agree - at first they're hideously difficult to use. Trial and error allows you to become familiar with the best settings to use though, as well as a bit of reading.

Night photography with DSLRs is so much easier than night photography with Point & Shoots, but that's just my personal opinion. I've even tried night photography with both using the exact same manual settings, and the quality of the photograph produced by the DSLR has been far superior.

(17 Apr 2014, 7:16 pm)Tom Thanks for the advice. Is a tripod essential, though?

I ain't used mine yet!

17 Apr 2014, 7:59 pm #57
(17 Apr 2014, 7:16 pm)Tom Thanks for the advice. Is a tripod essential, though?
Unless you're a master at those run a hoop through an electric wire things (steady, steady hand) then yeah! My personal opinion though.

That is unless you have a mini-tripod or somewhere decent where the camera will sit untouched. For a good still night-time shot, you're talking 10 second shutters potentially; that means the camera HAS to stay exactly where it is for 10 seconds otherwise the pic will be blurry.

It is that, or, depending on your camera, shoot up the ISO to something high and get the ISO graining as a result.

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17 Apr 2014, 7:59 pm #57

(17 Apr 2014, 7:16 pm)Tom Thanks for the advice. Is a tripod essential, though?
Unless you're a master at those run a hoop through an electric wire things (steady, steady hand) then yeah! My personal opinion though.

That is unless you have a mini-tripod or somewhere decent where the camera will sit untouched. For a good still night-time shot, you're talking 10 second shutters potentially; that means the camera HAS to stay exactly where it is for 10 seconds otherwise the pic will be blurry.

It is that, or, depending on your camera, shoot up the ISO to something high and get the ISO graining as a result.


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17 Apr 2014, 8:06 pm #58
(17 Apr 2014, 7:59 pm)northern156 Unless you're a master at those run a hoop through an electric wire things (steady, steady hand) then yeah! My personal opinion though.

That is unless you have a mini-tripod or somewhere decent where the camera will sit untouched. For a good still night-time shot, you're talking 10 second shutters potentially; that means the camera HAS to stay exactly where it is for 10 seconds otherwise the pic will be blurry.

It is that, or, depending on your camera, shoot up the ISO to something high and get the ISO graining as a result.

A selection of my night shots:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...338476924/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...088827114/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...911950835/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...911953255/

When viewing the photographs in full, you can see the ISO graining - that's from ISO 640.
Taken on shutter speed priority, all were on 1/13 apart from the first one which was at 1/15.

Don't think they're too bad though, given that they were on cold nights and I would have been shaking a bit. Tongue
Dan
17 Apr 2014, 8:06 pm #58

(17 Apr 2014, 7:59 pm)northern156 Unless you're a master at those run a hoop through an electric wire things (steady, steady hand) then yeah! My personal opinion though.

That is unless you have a mini-tripod or somewhere decent where the camera will sit untouched. For a good still night-time shot, you're talking 10 second shutters potentially; that means the camera HAS to stay exactly where it is for 10 seconds otherwise the pic will be blurry.

It is that, or, depending on your camera, shoot up the ISO to something high and get the ISO graining as a result.

A selection of my night shots:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...338476924/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...088827114/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...911950835/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/danielgrah...911953255/

When viewing the photographs in full, you can see the ISO graining - that's from ISO 640.
Taken on shutter speed priority, all were on 1/13 apart from the first one which was at 1/15.

Don't think they're too bad though, given that they were on cold nights and I would have been shaking a bit. Tongue

17 Apr 2014, 8:28 pm #59
1/13 handheld?! I can't even do 1/80s without even a bit of blur!
Probably need my muscles/nerves checked out by a doctor. Big Grin

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17 Apr 2014, 8:28 pm #59

1/13 handheld?! I can't even do 1/80s without even a bit of blur!
Probably need my muscles/nerves checked out by a doctor. Big Grin


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17 Apr 2014, 9:02 pm #60
(17 Apr 2014, 8:28 pm)northern156 1/13 handheld?! I can't even do 1/80s without even a bit of blur!
Probably need my muscles/nerves checked out by a doctor. Big Grin

Don't get me wrong, I take at least ten as some do blur a bit - the blur is never usually that bad though.
Dan
17 Apr 2014, 9:02 pm #60

(17 Apr 2014, 8:28 pm)northern156 1/13 handheld?! I can't even do 1/80s without even a bit of blur!
Probably need my muscles/nerves checked out by a doctor. Big Grin

Don't get me wrong, I take at least ten as some do blur a bit - the blur is never usually that bad though.

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