Hello everyone.... It's that time of year again, the 2014 order has been completed and we move onto the 2015 order.
More will hopefully become clear in the near future, but here is what I have found out so far...
ADL Enviro 200 (11)
6 Wales (Wrexham) - services 3/4
5 ??
ADL Enviro 400 (165)
11 North West (Green Lane) - Standard specification - Service 10B
Delivered December 2014 - 4584-4594 SL64JCX/JCY/JCZ/JDF/JDJ/JDK/JDO/JDU/JDX/JDZ/JEJ/JEO
27 North West (St Helens) - Standard specification - Services 10/10A
Delivered January 2015 - 4595-4621 SL64JEO/JEU/JFA/JFE/JFF/JFG/JFJ/JFK/JFN/JFO/JFU/JFV/JFX/JFZ/JGX/JGY/JGZ/JHA/JHE/JHH/JHJ/JHK/JHO/JHU/JHV/JHX
15 North West (Bootle) - Standard specification - Services 52/52A
Delivered January/February 2015 - 4622-36 SN15LME/LMF/LMJ/LMK/LML/LMM/LMO/LMU/LMV/LMX/LMY/LNA/LNC/LND/LNE
8 Wales (Chester) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 10
Delivered February 2015 - 4637-44 CX15BXN/BXO/BXP/BXR/BXS/BXU/BXV/BXW/BXY
17 Yorkshire (Dewsbury) - MAX specification - Services 202/203
Delivered February 2015 - 1914-30 SN15LLC/LLD/LLE/LLF/LLG/LLJ/LLK/LLM/LLO/LLP/LLR/LLT/LLU/LLV/LLW/LLX/LLZ
9 Shires (Aylesbury) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 280
Delivered March 2015 - 5461-69 SN15LPK/LPL/LPO/LPP/LPU/LPV/LPX/LPY/LPZ
17 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 110
Delivered March 2015 - 1931-47 SN15...
5 North East (Darlington.Durham) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 7
2 North East (Durham) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 6
12 North West (Speke) - Standard specification
8 North West (Birkenhead) - Standard specification
35 North West (Green Lane) - Standard specification
Wright Streetlite DF 11.5m (34)
25 Midlands (Telford) - Standard specification - Service 44
Delivered January 2015 - 3319-43 FJ64ETU/ETV/ETX/ETY/EUH/EUK/EUL/EUM/EUN/EUO/EUP/EUR/EUT/EUU/EUV/EUX/EUY/EUZ/EVT/EVV/JYL/JYN/JYO/JYP
5 North East (Darlington) - MAX specification - MAX X1
6 North East (Durham) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 6
Wright Streetlite DF 10.8m (12)
12 Shires (Stevenage) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 100/101
Wright Streetlite WF 8.8m (19)
6 S.Counties (Tunbridge Wells) - service 281
Delivered February 2015 - 1656-61 GN64DXT/DXU/DXV/DXW/DXX/DXY
13 Shires (Luton) - services 28/29
Optare Solo SR 8.8m (10)
6 Yorkshire Tiger (Elland)
4 Hinckleybus (Hinckley)
Total order - 241
Hi scott some interesting orders am i to.understand the 5 enviros for the 7 will be split between darlo n durham
They will Ross but I'm not sure who's getting how many yet
I believe 6 DF StreetLites (most likely Maxes but I'm not sure) are due for Birkenhead depot for service 487.
(25 Nov 2014, 7:20 am)MX59 JZJ wrote [ -> ]I believe 6 DF StreetLites (most likely Maxes but I'm not sure) are due for Birkenhead depot for service 487.
Cheers added those to the list.
Another order confirmed today is 8 Sapphire E400 for Chester for service 10
(24 Nov 2014, 2:10 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]Hello everyone.... It's that time of year again, the 2014 order has been completed and we move onto the 2015 order.
More will hopefully become clear in the near future, but here is what I have found out so far...
ADL Enviro 200 (6)
6 Wales (Wrexham) - services 3/4
ADL Enviro 400 (112?)
5 North East (Darlington.Durham) - SAPPHIRE 7
2 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
16 North West (Bootle) - services 52/52A
11 North West (Green Lane) - service 10B
26 North West (St Helens) - services 10/10A
12? Shires (Aylesbury) - SAPPHIRE 280
8 Wales (Chester) - SAPPHIRE 10
16 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - MAX 110
16 Yorkshire (Dewsbury) - MAX 202/203
Wright Streetlite DF (50)
25 Midlands (Telford)
6 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
6 North West (Birkenhead) - service 487
13 Shires (Stevenage) - SAPPHIRE 100/101
Wright Streetlite WF (12)
6 S.Counties (Tunbridge Wells) - service 281
6 Wales (Rhyl) - services 35/36, 83/84 (rumoured)
Total order - 180(?)
Well that's Ashington's dream for new minibuses dead!!!
(05 Dec 2014, 10:39 am)ArrivaNE_7522 wrote [ -> ]Well that's Ashington's dream for new minibuses dead!!!
I'm assuming that's not the final order, as things are still being added. So there's still hope for you yet!
Are all of the Enviro400s on order the Euro 5 style, or are some of them of the MMC style?
(14 Dec 2014, 9:52 am)MX59 JZJ wrote [ -> ]Are all of the Enviro400s on order the Euro 5 style, or are some of them of the MMC style?
As far as I know they are all Euro 5 versions - but I'm not 100%
(24 Nov 2014, 2:10 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]Hello everyone.... It's that time of year again, the 2014 order has been completed and we move onto the 2015 order.
More will hopefully become clear in the near future, but here is what I have found out so far...
ADL Enviro 200 (6)
6 Wales (Wrexham) - services 3/4
ADL Enviro 400 (112?)
5 North East (Darlington.Durham) - SAPPHIRE 7
2 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
16 North West (Bootle) - services 52/52A
11 North West (Green Lane) - service 10B
26 North West (St Helens) - services 10/10A
12? Shires (Aylesbury) - SAPPHIRE 280
8 Wales (Chester) - SAPPHIRE 10
16 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - MAX 110
16 Yorkshire (Dewsbury) - MAX 202/203
Wright Streetlite DF (50)
25 Midlands (Telford)
6 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
6 North West (Birkenhead) - service 487
13 Shires (Stevenage) - SAPPHIRE 100/101
Wright Streetlite WF (12)
6 S.Counties (Tunbridge Wells) - service 281
6 Wales (Rhyl) - services 35/36, 83/84 (rumoured)
Total order - 180(?)
(14 Dec 2014, 5:47 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]As far as I know they are all Euro 5 versions - but I'm not 100%
Isnt there a E400MMC currently on Demonstration with Arriva Yorkshire on Service 110, And might this suggest that perhaps Next Years Enviro 400 Order will indeed be E400MMCs.
(14 Dec 2014, 6:27 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]Isnt there a E400MMC currently on Demonstration with Arriva Yorkshire on Service 110, And might this suggest that perhaps Next Years Enviro 400 Order will indeed be E400MMCs.
There is a E400MMC demonstrator with Arriva Yorkshire, now reported at Dewsbury. However, considering the ANE and AY orders are also in with the ANW orders which are now being delivery, they will likely all be of the old Euro5 styling.
Which actually brings me to this tweet yesterday from ANE&Y MD
Nigel Featham:
And confirmation on
Travel West Yorkshire Forum from Wakefield staff confirm that the 16 E400s destined for Wakefield's Belle Isle are now to 'Sapphire' specification rather than 'MAX'.
(21 Dec 2014, 4:24 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]There is a E400MMC demonstrator with Arriva Yorkshire, now reported at Dewsbury. However, considering the ANE and AY orders are also in with the ANW orders which are now being delivery, they will likely all be of the old Euro5 styling.
Which actually brings me to this tweet yesterday from ANE&Y MD Nigel Featham:
And confirmation on Travel West Yorkshire Forum from Wakefield staff confirm that the 16 E400s destined for Wakefield's Belle Isle are now to 'Sapphire' specification rather than 'MAX'.
The E400MMC demo is currently at Heckmondwike depot being trialled on the 254/255 routes.
As for the Sapphire route in Yorkshire, I can't see any confirmation that the 110 will be getting it (just a First staff member saying 110) - and I would be surprised if they changed from Max to Sapphire this late into the order... I stand corrected if you can point it out though! I have a feeling that there'll be another route to be upgraded, on top of the 2 already selected for the Max treatment. Could the MMCs latest posting be a hint?
I know you will probably all laugh at me, but here is my suggestion on what the 2015 orders and allocations should look like for the North East. Now please note that I haven't included every route but I've included the ones affected as well as making some specification change suggestions. The main points include:
- More powerful vehicles for services X15 / X18 / X21 / X22 to improve reliability and punctuality thanks to 25 new vehicles.
- Powerful summer extras for service X93.
- 43/44/45 upgraded to double decks with just over half being less than 3-4 year old.
- Services X10 / X11 upgraded to Sapphire with all bar 1 vehicle (09 reg), less than 1 year old.
- Services X4 / X5 and X13 upgraded to MAX specification with generic branding to allow flexibility. Newer vehicles would be allocated to X4 / X5 as first resort.
- More premium spare vehicles for Blyth and Ashington depots.
- Sapphire service 7 fully double deck with 1 Sapphire spare.
Here's the sheet folks: [
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PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL ARRIVA PUBLICATION AND IS MERELY AN ENTHUSIAST'S PUBLICATION. THIS HAS NO BEARING OR RESEMBLANCE OF ARRIVA.
Many Thanks
Any more news on the orders?
(22 Dec 2014, 11:43 am)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]The E400MMC demo is currently at Heckmondwike depot being trialled on the 254/255 routes.
As for the Sapphire route in Yorkshire, I can't see any confirmation that the 110 will be getting it (just a First staff member saying 110) - and I would be surprised if they changed from Max to Sapphire this late into the order... I stand corrected if you can point it out though! I have a feeling that there'll be another route to be upgraded, on top of the 2 already selected for the Max treatment. Could the MMCs latest posting be a hint?
Could the Wright Streetdeck be an option as Arriva Derbys have entered Service on the 38 Today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55432463@N08/16276070791/
(14 Jan 2015, 1:47 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]Could the Wright Streetdeck be an option as Arriva Derbys have entered Service on the 38 Today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55432463@N08/16276070791/
Just posted that info in the East Midlands thread of the 'Other bus companies' section of the forum for reference. (and because i didnt realise you had posted it on this thread
)
To be honest, with the exception of the 308, I don't see either the Streetdeck or Volvo B5TL Gemini 3 fitting into any doubledeck route for Arriva North East whatsoever. I think Arriva should stick with ADL bodywork for all bus types and if they see the benefits of using a heavyweight type on the X93, the Scania Chassis on the E400 MMC would be ideal for the Ashington Express work and the X10 / X11 from Blyth but, as Arriva like it, they put fuel economy before reliability and punctuality. If they cared about them two, they would've ordered B9TLs or N230s when they were on the market rather than E400s and DB300s
(14 Jan 2015, 7:21 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote [ -> ]To be honest, with the exception of the 308, I don't see either the Streetdeck or Volvo B5TL Gemini 3 fitting into any doubledeck route for Arriva North East whatsoever. I think Arriva should stick with ADL bodywork for all bus types and if they see the benefits of using a heavyweight type on the X93, the Scania Chassis on the E400 MMC would be ideal for the Ashington Express work and the X10 / X11 from Blyth but, as Arriva like it, they put fuel economy before reliability and punctuality. If they cared about them two, they would've ordered B9TLs or N230s when they were on the market rather than E400s and DB300s
How do you know the StreetDeck wouldn't work up here? It's not all about powerful engines. Have you been on a StreetDeck to see what it's like?
(14 Jan 2015, 7:28 pm)ArrivaNE_7522 wrote [ -> ]How do you know the StreetDeck wouldn't work up here? It's not all about powerful engines. Have you been on a StreetDeck to see what it's like?
I have when GNE had one on Demonstration on the Toonlink, did a Round Trip on the 31/32 and I thought it coped quite well with the route e.g. Climbing the Hills around Winlaton etc, but on the flip side I would have to agree with Davey in saying that a Vehicle with more Power and Bigger Fuel Tank would be better suited.
(14 Jan 2015, 7:39 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]I have when GNE had one on Demonstration on the Toonlink, did a Round Trip on the 31/32 and I thought it coped quite well with the route e.g. Climbing the Hills around Winlaton etc, but on the flip side I would have to agree with Davey in saying that a Vehicle with more Power and Bigger Fuel Tank would be better suited.
That wasn't the StreetDeck - that was a Volvo B5TL/Wright Gemini 3.
(14 Jan 2015, 7:21 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote [ -> ]To be honest, with the exception of the 308, I don't see either the Streetdeck or Volvo B5TL Gemini 3 fitting into any doubledeck route for Arriva North East whatsoever. I think Arriva should stick with ADL bodywork for all bus types and if they see the benefits of using a heavyweight type on the X93, the Scania Chassis on the E400 MMC would be ideal for the Ashington Express work and the X10 / X11 from Blyth but, as Arriva like it, they put fuel economy before reliability and punctuality. If they cared about them two, they would've ordered B9TLs or N230s when they were on the market rather than E400s and DB300s
(14 Jan 2015, 7:28 pm)ArrivaNE_7522 wrote [ -> ]How do you know the StreetDeck wouldn't work up here? It's not all about powerful engines. Have you been on a StreetDeck to see what it's like?
(14 Jan 2015, 7:39 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]I have when GNE had one on Demonstration on the Toonlink, did a Round Trip on the 31/32 and I thought it coped quite well with the route e.g. Climbing the Hills around Winlaton etc, but on the flip side I would have to agree with Davey in saying that a Vehicle with more Power and Bigger Fuel Tank would be better suited.
To quote an industry insider from another forum
Quote
Euro6 is best met with a smaller engine running at higher temperatures so smaller engines are the best way to arrive at it
Hence the move to 5 and 6 litre engine Double Deckers.
(14 Jan 2015, 7:51 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]To quote an industry insider from another forum
Hence the move to 5 and 6 litre engine Double Deckers.
Does this mean that the 5 and 6 litre engines at Euro 6 will be made to produce more power, or equivalent to Euro 5 counterparts?
Or is that purely in terms of compliance?
Well put it this way, I've been on both a B5LH and B9TL up the Cradlewell Bank past the Corner House onto the Coast Road and whereas the B5LH does OK once the engine engages, but the B9TL goes up like a stink even with 80 - 90 passengers as I experienced after the home match against Everton.
(24 Nov 2014, 2:10 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]Hello everyone.... It's that time of year again, the 2014 order has been completed and we move onto the 2015 order.
More will hopefully become clear in the near future, but here is what I have found out so far...
ADL Enviro 200 (6)
6 Wales (Wrexham) - services 3/4
ADL Enviro 400 (112?)
11 North West (Green Lane) - Standard specification - Service 10B
Delivered December 2014 - 4584-4594 SL64JCX/JCY/JCZ/JDF/JDJ/JDK/JDO/JDU/JDX/JDZ/JEJ/JEO
26 North West (St Helens) - Standard specification - Services 10/10A
Delivered January 2015 - 4595-4620 SL64JEO/JEU/JFA/JFE/JFF/JFG/JFJ/JFK/JFN/JFO/JFU/JFV/JFX/JFZ/JGX/JGY/JGZ/JHA/JHE/JHH/JHJ/JHK/JHO/JHU/JHV
16 North West (Bootle) - Standard specification - Services 52/52A
Delivered January/February 2015 - 4621-36 SL64JHX
8 Wales (Chester) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 10
Delivered February 2015 - 4637-4644
5 North East (Darlington.Durham) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 7
2 North East (Durham) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 6
12? Shires (Aylesbury) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 280
16 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - Sapphire specification - Sapphire 110
16 Yorkshire (Dewsbury) - MAX specification - Services 202/203
Wright Streetlite DF (55)
25 Midlands (Telford)
5 North East (Darlington) - MAX X1
6 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
6 North West (Birkenhead) - service 487
13 Shires (Stevenage) - SAPPHIRE 100/101
Wright Streetlite WF (25)
6 S.Counties (Tunbridge Wells) - service 281
Delivered February 2015 - 1656-61 GN64DXT/DXU/DXV/DXW/DXX/DXY
13 Shires (Luton) - services 28/29
6 Wales (Rhyl) - services 35/36, 83/84 (rumoured)
Total order - 198(?)
Looks like the ones for the 202/203 are now in the process of being delivered, also looks like the E400 Orders wont be E400MMCs either.
SN15 LLG -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@...331557560/
SN15 LLT -
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122507681@...331299428/
It has been confirmed on Arriva North West's Facebook page that Green Lane depot is due 35 ADL Enviro400s (Euro V specification) for the 12/13 (Liverpool - Stockbridge Village) and 15 (Liverpool - Huyton) routes. I believe Speke depot is also due a batch but no confirmation as yet.
I know Scott has already seen this pic but the first MAX streetlite has emerged from Wright. The picture shown below shows 1592:
(21 Feb 2015, 8:03 pm)Robert wrote [ -> ]I know Scott has already seen this pic but the first MAX streetlite has emerged from Wright. The picture shown below shows 1582:
Is this example for the North East (Darlington), if so it can't be 1582 as 1582 is a Coastliner 306 branded example.