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(07 Nov 2014, 6:03 pm)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Did anyone who attended The Zone launch today pick up the free stuff on offer, free stuff included:
headphones
memory stick
mints
thing to put in trollys instead of pound coins
screen cloth
Sounds impressive!
Couldn't make out whether it was an e200 or 300, but there was one parked up on the hard shoulder of the A168 at Thirsk earlier with its hazards on.
Anyone any ideas?
Missed the headphones! There was a blindfold thing which they said tied in with the "comfort Zone" (!).
Dear Phil. I have just been told by a south shields driver that all of the 39xxx from Chichester depot are going at the end of the month and that we are getting some of the older buses from Stockton until we get new Buses next year. They might be 37xxx to replace the 39xxx instead. Regards Robin
(07 Nov 2014, 5:04 pm)aureolin wrote [ -> ]Really? At a time when WiFi is becoming standard everywhere - including new bus orders? Seems a bit bizarre if the whole branding is around the provision of an additional service (or 'luxury' if you like), that has come to be the expectation...
Yes - after all, these are the first vehicles in the Teesside fleet with WiFi so why not shout about it on the branding?
(07 Nov 2014, 5:29 pm)Multi21 wrote [ -> ]Any news on replacements for the non dda remaining single deckers?
Yes - there will be some sort of investment into the Teesside fleet next year - what cannot be disclosed per-say but I think I can say investment next year will see off what remains of the non-DDA MANs.
(07 Nov 2014, 6:03 pm)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Did anyone who attended The Zone launch today pick up the free stuff on offer, free stuff included:
headphones
memory stick
mints
thing to put in trollys instead of pound coins
screen cloth
I did pick up everything - then discovered I ended up missing the headphones for myself (but grabbed them for a friend who was unable to attend by a last minute shift change at work) and had 2 of the bookmarks (as there already was one in the bag).
Overall, it was a great show and a chance to talk to the management staff, including Ms Usher and Mr McLeary (engineering director). Mr Medicott and various other senior management figures were also in attendance. Just a shame about the weather - I ended up soaked (as did my camera.....but that's for another thread).
(08 Nov 2014, 1:59 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Yes - there will be some sort of investment into the Teesside fleet next year - what cannot be disclosed per-say but I think I can say investment next year will see off what remains of the non-DDA MANs.
I'm hoping we get more gas buses at Sunderland next year to.
Least then the fleet at Sunderland will only be Enviro or Gas.
In the whole fleet how many Non-DDA MANs are left?
All 5 Enviro300s branded for the 100 were present today. No sign of an ALX300 or none of them off route. All accounted for.
(07 Nov 2014, 6:47 pm)Cock Robin wrote [ -> ]Missed the headphones! There was a blindfold thing which they said tied in with the "comfort Zone" (!).
I did get the headphones - didn't realise that's what they were!
After consulting the new timetables, it seems Teesside's Daytime PVR is unchanged from December 1st - but is redistributed:
10/11 requires 5
12/39 requires 12
13 will remain with a PVR of 5
14/34 requires 6 buses
35/52 requires 7 buses
35/58 requires 4 buses
36/37 requires 8 buses
36/38 requires 8 buses
59/61 remains PVR 6
Evening PVR
10A/11A/12/39 will require 6 buses (a 3 hour cycle, meaning 3 buses will run 10A/11A and the other 3 will do 11A/10A), up from the 5 presently used on 12/610/611
36/37/38 depends on how it will work - stand alone would see 36/37 PVR decrease by 1 vehicle (to 4 and 1 respectively) but 1 of the dropped vehicles would move to work 38s (and the other would be the vehicle added to do the 10A/11A/12/39)
52 will remain 2 buses all night
58/59/61 will require 2 buses up from the 1 bus used on the 59
Sunday PVR
At present, all I can suss is 4 vehicles will work 52/58/61 during the day and 1 on the 59 - presumably one vehicle off the 52/58/61 will run onto 58/59/61 on the evening (the vehicle doing 59s appears to go onto 61s at 1802 so presumably the 1820 59 will come off the 1818 arrival on the 52 with the 1809 arrival on the 58 going out as the 1820 52)
(07 Nov 2014, 10:46 pm)Robinwtait.19 wrote [ -> ]Dear Phil. I have just been told by a south shields driver that all of the 39xxx from Chichester depot are going at the end of the month and that we are getting some of the older buses from Stockton until we get new Buses next year. They might be 37xxx to replace the 39xxx instead. Regards Robin
Wouldn't it make sense to just invest more in Stockton as then South shields wouldn't be DDA compliant and presumably that's what the move would be intended to achieve on Teesside?
Kind regards
Chris
(08 Nov 2014, 5:39 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]After consulting the new timetables, it seems Teesside's Daytime PVR is unchanged from December 1st - but is redistributed:
10/11 requires 5
12/39 requires 12
13 will remain with a PVR of 5
14/34 requires 6 buses
35/52 requires 7 buses
35/58 requires 4 buses
36/37 requires 8 buses
36/38 requires 8 buses
59/61 remains PVR 6
Evening PVR
10A/11A/12/39 will require 6 buses (a 3 hour cycle, meaning 3 buses will run 10A/11A and the other 3 will do 11A/10A), up from the 5 presently used on 12/610/611
36/37/38 depends on how it will work - stand alone would see 36/37 PVR decrease by 1 vehicle (to 4 and 1 respectively) but 1 of the dropped vehicles would move to work 38s (and the other would be the vehicle added to do the 10A/11A/12/39)
52 will remain 2 buses all night
58/59/61 will require 2 buses up from the 1 bus used on the 59
Sunday PVR
At present, all I can suss is 4 vehicles will work 52/58/61 during the day and 1 on the 59 - presumably one vehicle off the 52/58/61 will run onto 58/59/61 on the evening (the vehicle doing 59s appears to go onto 61s at 1802 so presumably the 1820 59 will come off the 1818 arrival on the 52 with the 1809 arrival on the 58 going out as the 1820 52)
You're probably not far wrong with those quotas but the 35 uses 2 vehicles all day usually, whilst the 58 uses 3 to cover the runs. Ocassionally the 58 and 52 will swap but only early mornig and later on in the day around 3-4pm. As for the rest of the numbers once they are up and running I can give you a more accurate account as we don't yet know how much recovery time we are going to have at each terminus stage. Hope this helps
(09 Nov 2014, 11:51 am)bertibassett wrote [ -> ]You're probably not far wrong with those quotas but the 35 uses 2 vehicles all day usually, whilst the 58 uses 3 to cover the runs. Ocassionally the 58 and 52 will swap but only early mornig and later on in the day around 3-4pm. As for the rest of the numbers once they are up and running I can give you a more accurate account as we don't yet know how much recovery time we are going to have at each terminus stage. Hope this helps
35s are said to be interworking with 52s or 58s depending on the time - the xx01 departures from Stockton look like working off 52s while the xx31 work off the re-timed 58s.
As for the early monring/peak time 52/58 interworking, I've not looked that closely at the 52/58 timetables to see whether that is still going to take place and also include the 35 but then it will likely become clearer on 1st December.
As for the Sunday pattern, since that post I've further looked and it seems only the 52 and 61 will interwork during the day with the 58 and 59 running on their own using one vehicle. The bus on 58s then additionally starting doing 59s and 61s starts with the 1820 59. Daytime 36/37/38 all interwork on Sundays with plenty of layover time during the day (37s get 7 minutes at North Tees, 38s get a massive
15 minutes at the Glebe, and all 3 have 5 minutes between trips in Middlesbrough - compareable to 0/7/2 on evenings although that last figure depends whether they interwork evenings or not, if they do it's a nice 17 minutes in Middlesbrough).
(09 Nov 2014, 12:07 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]35s are said to be interworking with 52s or 58s depending on the time - the xx01 departures from Stockton look like working off 52s while the xx31 work off the re-timed 58s.
As for the early monring/peak time 52/58 interworking, I've not looked that closely at the 52/58 timetables to see whether that is still going to take place and also include the 35 but then it will likely become clearer on 1st December.
As for the Sunday pattern, since that post I've further looked and it seems only the 52 and 61 will interwork during the day with the 58 and 59 running on their own using one vehicle. The bus on 58s then additionally starting doing 59s and 61s starts with the 1820 59. Daytime 36/37/38 all interwork on Sundays with plenty of layover time during the day (37s get 7 minutes at North Tees, 38s get a massive 15 minutes at the Glebe, and all 3 have 5 minutes between trips in Middlesbrough - compareable to 0/7/2 on evenings although that last figure depends whether they interwork evenings or not, if they do it's a nice 17 minutes in Middlesbrough).
I've not looked in depth at the timetables but it looks like you're correct at the evening services ( 59/61/58 ) as the timings would fit. thus leaving the 52's alone. One to consider is how you calculate interaction of services. Like I've always said we can but speculate but with Stagecoach not is always as it seems. e.g. if you look at the new 36/37/38 times, it would suggest that once a 36 gets to Boro, with a 5 min turn around back out as a 37. fair enough, but as we have a dedicated 36 rota these guys don't usually cover 37's or 38's. What ever happens the Union would have to agree with it as they put the rota's together. During the last 2 weeks and over the next 2 weeks all drivers are being route learned with the new services but bear in mind you would be surprised how many drivers still don't know certain routes, so if they change the running boards to suit then all these drivers would not only need to know the new services, but existing services also. I myself have not been on the training bus as of yet but when I do I should have a better understanding of the workings.
After looking more closely with the 36/37/38 Sunday runnings, it would fit with my earlier predictions regarding the dedicated 36 rota. If you take into account a 15 minute layover at the bus station then 36's would run on their own requiring 5 vehicles and the 37/38 would interact requiring 6 vehicles to run.
(09 Nov 2014, 12:24 pm)bertibassett wrote [ -> ]I've not looked in depth at the timetables but it looks like you're correct at the evening services ( 59/61/58 ) as the timings would fit. thus leaving the 52's alone. One to consider is how you calculate interaction of services. Like I've always said we can but speculate but with Stagecoach not is always as it seems. e.g. if you look at the new 36/37/38 times, it would suggest that once a 36 gets to Boro, with a 5 min turn around back out as a 37. fair enough, but as we have a dedicated 36 rota these guys don't usually cover 37's or 38's. What ever happens the Union would have to agree with it as they put the rota's together. During the last 2 weeks and over the next 2 weeks all drivers are being route learned with the new services but bear in mind you would be surprised how many drivers still don't know certain routes, so if they change the running boards to suit then all these drivers would not only need to know the new services, but existing services also. I myself have not been on the training bus as of yet but when I do I should have a better understanding of the workings.
For the dedicated 36 rota - as far as I'm ware, since last May the 36 rota has been more of a 'Park End' rota as their duties also now cover 37s and 38s especially since the 36s and 38s were interworking at the early part of the year.
As for my calculation of interworking patterns, it's simply been a case of looking at the times and seeing how it all works. For example, Sunday daytime 52s times in the High Street are the same as those shown in the 61 timetable. Same with the 10A/11A/12/39 on evenings.
(09 Nov 2014, 12:46 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]For the dedicated 36 rota - as far as I'm ware, since last May the 36 rota has been more of a 'Park End' rota as their duties also now cover 37s and 38s especially since the 36s and 38s were interworking at the early part of the year.
As for my calculation of interworking patterns, it's simply been a case of looking at the times and seeing how it all works. For example, Sunday daytime 52s times in the High Street are the same as those shown in the 61 timetable. Same with the 10A/11A/12/39 on evenings.
Trust me as a driver we have the same issue regarding calculations simply because we are mushrooms. At the minute a driver would operate 12-610-12-611. no doubt this would will need to include the 39 but again like I said all is not as it seems with Stagecoach. HAve a look at my new reply regarding the Sunday running of 36/37/38. Granted the 36 rota drivers do certain 37/38 duties but these are covered alot by the split drivers, the new rota's are being prepared this week so again we should have better understanding of what will be. At this point anything would be better. Like I said before these decisions are made behind closed doors. Most of the time as soon as any changes are made we as drivers usually pick the faults out straight away.
(09 Nov 2014, 12:46 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]For the dedicated 36 rota - as far as I'm ware, since last May the 36 rota has been more of a 'Park End' rota as their duties also now cover 37s and 38s especially since the 36s and 38s were interworking at the early part of the year.
As for my calculation of interworking patterns, it's simply been a case of looking at the times and seeing how it all works. For example, Sunday daytime 52s times in the High Street are the same as those shown in the 61 timetable. Same with the 10A/11A/12/39 on evenings.
Information I recieved suggest the 52 will indeed interwork with the 61 on Sunday daytimes. One thing I am surprised by is the fact they're going to run the 61 half hourly on a Sunday but the 59 remains hourly!
The big gap on the 34 in a morning between the first and second journey into Middlesbrough could cause some issues, and indeed the loadings on the 34s in a morning are already overcrowded! I notice that the 364 has been put into a 13 running board which makes more sense than how it runs now. I can't see the point of the Brookfield-Hemlington section though and I wouldn't bet against it being missed out more days than not. Getting out of Hall Drive at that time on a morning is murder!
(09 Nov 2014, 7:53 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]27166/7 along with at least 4 others were out yesterday.
I'm told only five have entered service. I saw 27166/7/77/9 Saturday but I didn't see everything.
Hi saw one of new enviro 300 with logo on it today but don't see its no it was near argos in middlesbrough 10 30am
The last couple of times I'd passed Hartlepool depot, 33101 looked like it hadn't moved from the same spot it'd been parked in. That said, when I was up that way earlier, I didn't see it, so whether it was in service or just moved I'm not entirely sure. I'll keep an eye out next time I'm up that way.
(10 Nov 2014, 9:53 pm)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nort...es-8078302
Oldest driver in Newcastle receives award
What an inspirational example of a good bus driver! He clearly enjoys his job, I'd love to be as dedicated to a future job as he is.
I suppose you could put it down to the fact that he started on the buses in 1964, when everything was unregulated, very many rules ignored, etc., and he may have just found a love for his job in the process of the easy life.
(10 Nov 2014, 8:47 pm)glen1234 wrote [ -> ]Hi saw one of new enviro 300 with logo on it today but don't see its no it was near argos in middlesbrough 10 30am
27177 was in Norton heading to Hartlepool probably about half 11
(11 Nov 2014, 8:34 am)AIG20 wrote [ -> ]ADL E300 27740 (NK11 BGY) has the new route branding called "get there with E's" (a pun on the word "ease"). 
It also includes most of the destinations that the routes serve; "Sunderland - Fulwell - Seaburn..." and so on.
Oh dear
Volvo Olympian for the X34?!?!
(11 Nov 2014, 2:25 pm)mrnut85 wrote [ -> ]Volvo Olympian for the X34?!?!
I wonder if 16833 could operate the 14:45 X34 from The Nook.
(11 Nov 2014, 2:10 pm)mrnut85 wrote [ -> ]Oh dear
Nothing to do wth tablets then?!
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