North East Buses

New order, new thread.

UK REGIONAL OPERATIONS

278 ADL MMC E400 double-deckers
71 ADL MMC E200 single-deckers
13 ADL MMC E200 midibuses
11 Volvo  B11/R Plaxton Elite 6x2
2 Volvo B11/R Plaxton Elite 4x2
1 Volvo B11/R Plaxton Elite i
30 Mercedes Benz Sprinter City 45 minibuses
6 Optare Solo SR Slimline minibuses

MEGABUS.COM OPERATIONS

7 Volvo B11/R Plaxton Elite i
6 Van Hool Astromega double-deckers

LONDON OPERATIONS

37 ADL MMC E400 Hybrid double-deckers
3 ADL MMC E400 double-deckers
13 ADL MMC E200 single deckers

Note no Scanias on order this time round.

That's a lot of sprinters. Perhaps for a local authority contract? Such as SPT in Scotland?

Though it would be interesting if they were going to be used as a genuine small bus alternative in regular service

Hi any new buses stagecoach north east fleet.

(11 Apr 2016, 11:23 am)glen wrote [ -> ]Hi any new buses stagecoach north east fleet.

There is but its a waiting game until the information can be released to the public.

(11 Apr 2016, 11:23 am)glen wrote [ -> ]Hi any new buses stagecoach north east fleet.

Yes for Newcastle I believe

Thank for that

Anyone wanting to read the proper press release:

http://www.stagecoach.com/media/news-rel...04-11.aspx

If Hartlepool get new buses could it release e200s to newcastle to replace darts

(11 Apr 2016, 12:04 pm)NK53 TKT wrote [ -> ]Yes for Newcastle I believe

Can we mark speculation as such please? I don't believe anything has been confirmed yet.

Surely if Hartlepool were getting new buses, they would replace the darts in Hartlepool first as they're the oldest in the towns fleet

I'm quite astonished at how many E400s have been ordered.
Hopefully Newcastle and Hartlepool get them this year.

Newcastle needs both E400s and long E200s

And Hartlepool needs 10.8m E200s

EDIT I understand the models are MMCs

(11 Apr 2016, 5:29 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]I'm quite astonished at how many E400s have been ordered.
Hopefully Newcastle and Hartlepool get them this year.

Newcastle needs both E400s and long E200s

And Hartlepool needs 10.8m E200s

EDIT I understand the models are MMCs

It'll be because of the upcoming double decker DDA deadline.

(11 Apr 2016, 5:31 pm)Michael wrote [ -> ]It'll be because of the upcoming double decker DDA deadline.

Yep, So most will probably be aimed at Devon and the South East and west, Where there's still a lot of Olympians and early Tridents around I believe.

Though Newcastle have a Decker shortage and some MAN Routes could do with double deckers, And Hartlepool has elderly Darts to replace.

(11 Apr 2016, 5:36 pm)South Tyne Lad wrote [ -> ]Yep, So most will probably be aimed at Devon and the South East and west, Where there's still a lot of Olympians and early Tridents around I believe.

Though Newcastle have a Decker shortage and some MAN Routes could do with double deckers, And Hartlepool has elderly Darts to replace.

I'm surprised London aren't getting most of the order.... they normally get more than anyone else.

So far confirmed allocations are for Yorkshire and East Midlands:

8 Enviro400MMCs for Barnsley depot for the 66 (Barnsley-Elsecar)
7 Enviro200MMCs 11.8m for Chesterfield for the 54 (Chesterfield-Clay Cross)

Nine of the longer Enviro 200MMC's are destined for Winchester Park & Ride.

D.

Wouldnt mind some E400MMCs on the 62/63 & X63, otherwise I think the 1 & 38 would likely candidates for new deckers.

(11 Apr 2016, 4:56 pm)beefcake wrote [ -> ]Surely if Hartlepool were getting new buses, they would replace the darts in Hartlepool first as they're the oldest in the towns fleet

Probably 34550/61/3/4.

(11 Apr 2016, 9:21 pm)Malarkey wrote [ -> ]Wouldnt mind some E400MMCs on the 62/63 & X63

It would be nice for the Killingworth buses to have the new Enviro 400s because 19379-89 were originally for the 38. 430-446 for the 1, 670-83 for 12 and of course hybrids on 39/40. I think Slatyford should get them. The 400s  on there are from 2007.

Order announced yesterday. First vehicles ready at Falkirk today

One has been identified as Glasgow-bound E400MMC 10511 (SN16 OLU).

(12 Apr 2016, 8:03 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Order announced yesterday. First vehicles ready at Falkirk today

One has been identified as Glasgow-bound E400MMC 10511 (SN16 OLU).

That was quick haha.

And further ones that are on-delivery:

E400MMC 10534/5 (SN16 OMY/Z) - 10534 seen below
SN16OMY by MOD571P, on Flickr
The first 2 of the first batch of 18 for Liverpool Gilmoss

E200MMC 37431-3 (SN16 OPV/W/X) - first of 9 for King's Lynn for CoastHopper which should be 37431-9 (SN16 OPV/W/X/Z/ORC/F-J).

EDIT: As of now, all new Stagecoach vehicles will be delivered with e-leather seating
EDIT2: The rest of the Gilmoss order (bar 10551) are as followed:
10536 SN16 ONA 
10537 SN16 ONB 
10538 SN16 ONC 
10539 SN16 OND 
10540 SN16 ONF 
10541 SN16 ONG 
10542 SN16 ONH 
10543 SN16 ONJ 
10544 SN16 ONK 
10545 SN16 ONL 
10546 SN16 ONM 
10547 SN16 ONO 
10548 SN16 ONP 
10549 SN16 ONR 
10550 SN16 ONS

As we know, fulll details of the 2016/7 order have yet to be released. However, I have heard three comments about Manchester - two from reliable sources, and all three are very similar to each other. Suffice to say, that further substantial investment is expected over the Summer. This would fit in with aspirations to have only Euro4 or better buses running on or near to the various Quality Bus Corridors by the time the Oxford Road corridor down to Manchester Royal Infirmary is completed towards the end of the year. This is a voluntary scheme (broadly similar to London's LEZ) which will take in the full Guided Busway route from Leigh/Atherton through Salford, Manchester city centre and along Oxford Road. Based on long established routes the latter will effectively extend beyond MRI through Fallowfield to Withington and into Didsbury. It will also incorporate the Rochdale Road corridor from Middleton through North Manchester, into Piccadilly and along Portland Street.
For those that don't know, this scheme is the reason for MagicBus operations receiving early Euro4 E400s (as against Euro3s), as well as 6 re-engined ex LOndon Tridents from Gillmoss

Further details now confirmed elsewhere:

• 65 'Gold' vehicles are due - 40 E400MMCs (the first non-Scania chassis examples) and 25 11.8m E200MMCs
  
• The 6 Solo SRs are Silmline versions for King's Lynn depot
  

A second Glasgow-bound example is now confirmed as 10512 (SN16 OLV).

(17 Apr 2016, 4:29 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Further details now confirmed elsewhere:

• 65 'Gold' vehicles are due - 40 E400MMCs (the first non-Scania chassis examples) and 20 11.8m E200MMCs
  
• The 6 Solo SRs are Silmline versions for King's Lynn depot
  

A second Glasgow-bound example is now confirmed as 10512 (SN16 OLV).

Do you know where the "Gold" ones are going?

(17 Apr 2016, 4:29 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Further details now confirmed elsewhere:

• 65 'Gold' vehicles are due - 40 E400MMCs (the first non-Scania chassis examples) and 20 11.8m E200MMCs
  
• The 6 Solo SRs are Silmline versions for King's Lynn depot
  

A second Glasgow-bound example is now confirmed as 10512 (SN16 OLV).

Do you think that the Scania chassis on the E400MMC bodywork will be the last 'heavy duty' decker to be produced on the market? Not dissing Streetdecks or ADL Integrals for that matter as particularly the later have proven themselves more than capable if well looked after and so should the former overtime.

(17 Apr 2016, 4:34 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote [ -> ]Do you think that the Scania chassis on the E400MMC bodywork will be the last 'heavy duty' decker to be produced on the market? Not dissing Streetdecks or ADL Integrals for that matter as particularly the later have proven themselves more than capable if well looked after and so should the former overtime.

I would now be amazed if Scania sell many Euro6 vehicles. See below for the reason regarding why there's no Scanias on order this year

mbonwick (source: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p='2527602&postcount=30) wroteScania are not flavour of the year - they refuse to fit electric cooling fans (instead insisting on belt driven ones) and were making noises about the modification program last year invalidating warranties. Plus Stagecoach were unwilling to keep paying for an external contractor to modify them.

Goes without saying that a demand-responsive fan leads to a noiceable fuel saving over one that's always on.

(17 Apr 2016, 5:01 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]I would now be amazed if Scania sell many Euro6 vehicles. See below for the reason regarding why there's no Scanias on order this year

Just read the point, couldn't open the link but totally agree. I do think it should be down to the operator as to whether or not they want the fan belt on constantly. Wonder if Stagecoach would consider using ZF Ecolife Gearboxes (same as Arriva) for their interurban / rural routes though for any future orders.

I think some of the buses will be for the Lakes 555 as they are due a upgrade. So will be interesting to see if they get E400MMCs how they cope.

(17 Apr 2016, 5:13 pm)DaveyBowyer wrote [ -> ]Just read the point, couldn't open the link but totally agree. I do think it should be down to the operator as to whether or not they want the fan belt on constantly. Wonder if Stagecoach would consider using ZF Ecolife Gearboxes (same as Arriva) for their interurban / rural routes though for any future orders.

Stagecoach have a long standing partnership with Voith so I doubt any ZFs will be in the Integral orders.
ZFs work better with the Cummins ISBe compared to Voiths though.