North East Buses

Not a surprise really they won funding last time round and half the routes were running around the countryside which have little impact unlike Gateshead last time.

(26 Mar 2022, 6:45 am)busmanT wrote [ -> ]ZEBRA funding announced
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-on...lion-boost

Wow what a surprise... sod all for the NE...... knew we wouldn't get out anyway.

More 'levelling up' for the North East!

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So i take it, no electric buses now.

just plaine diesel

(26 Mar 2022, 11:05 am)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]So i take it, no electric buses now.

just plaine diesel 

I don't know if aviation fuel works on the current GNE fleet.

With Arriva's Blyth depot plans and also a predicted investment within the next few years (given it's normally a depot at a time), could they not submit an EV bid for the 306/308?

(26 Mar 2022, 1:18 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]With Arriva's Blyth depot plans and also a predicted investment within the next few years (given it's normally a depot at a time), could they not submit an EV bid for the 306/308?

Can't see them ever going for EV at Blyth there's not enough space for starters.

For some reason I have a feeling Arriva will be fully hydrogen to keep some continuity and Teesside is pretty much guaranteed to go down that route and EV on the majority of Ashington's routes would be a waste of time. Even Blyth would be useless currently as the routes are too long. 

Stagecoach is the obvious choice in Newcastle as it would be ideal for most routes.

Maybe Transport governance is so poor in the North East that the ZEBRA applications going in arent deemed good enough.

(26 Mar 2022, 9:16 am)Adrian wrote [ -> ]More 'levelling up' for the North East!

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Think you'll find that the £20m redevelopment of Blyth town centre is all the levelling up we need! At least, that's what the digital boards around Newcastle suggest...

(26 Mar 2022, 2:30 pm)DeltaMan wrote [ -> ]Maybe Transport governance is so poor in the North East that the ZEBRA applications going in arent deemed good enough.

Looking at the successful bids they all seem to be based around the conversion of a significant part of a single town network to zero emission buses - Blackpool, Oxford, Rotherham, Bradford, Harrogate etc. - whereas the North East bid (I don't think that governance is an issue is this case) was about bits converted to electric here, there and almost everywhere. 

Previous funding has enabled Go North East to get the 9 for 53/54 and the next 9 for ??? (Q3 perhaps, as now it's been butchered it only needs 8 buses).

(27 Mar 2022, 12:13 pm)busmanT wrote [ -> ]Looking at the successful bids they all seem to be based around the conversion of a significant part of a single town network to zero emission buses - Blackpool, Oxford, Rotherham, Bradford, Harrogate etc. - whereas the North East bid (I don't think that governance is an issue is this case) was about bits converted to electric here, there and almost everywhere. 

Previous funding has enabled Go North East to get the 9 for 53/54 and the next 9 for ??? (Q3 perhaps, as now it's been butchered it only needs 8 buses).

As with all things with transport in the NE there was no clear integration - upgrade of routes that frankly could probably pay for themselves over time.

I mean, NECA  is led by a former British Gas engineer and Tobyn Hughes leads Transport NE, a man so indescribably incompetent its unreal - that's not the thinking we need at the top

(27 Mar 2022, 12:13 pm)busmanT wrote [ -> ]Looking at the successful bids they all seem to be based around the conversion of a significant part of a single town network to zero emission buses - Blackpool, Oxford, Rotherham, Bradford, Harrogate etc. - whereas the North East bid (I don't think that governance is an issue is this case) was about bits converted to electric here, there and almost everywhere. 

Previous funding has enabled Go North East to get the 9 for 53/54 and the next 9 for ??? (Q3 perhaps, as now it's been butchered it only needs 8 buses).

I'm not one for bringing politics into but the fact it was GNE getting all the money could have an impact aswell with what's going on with South Eastern Trains. 

I don't believe they've won anything solo from this (there's a few split ones like Oxford).

(27 Mar 2022, 6:26 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]I'm not one for bringing politics into but the fact it was GNE getting all the money could have an impact aswell with what's going on with South Eastern Trains. 

I don't believe they've won anything solo from this (there's a few split ones like Oxford).

I was under the impression that Arriva and Stagecoach put a bid in for The Teesside area as well?

Is there like a full list of bids put in does anyone know.

(27 Mar 2022, 6:26 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]I'm not one for bringing politics into but the fact it was GNE getting all the money could have an impact aswell with what's going on with South Eastern Trains. 

I don't believe they've won anything solo from this (there's a few split ones like Oxford).

I think you'd be way off the mark. I don't think anyone is as obsessed with Southeastern as this forum.

The penalty has been paid, there'll be some reputational damage but everyone in the main is moving on. The stock market certainly doesn't seem to care too much, further rail contracts have been awarded...

(27 Mar 2022, 6:29 pm)citaro5284 wrote [ -> ]I was under the impression that Arriva and Stagecoach put a bid in for The Teesside area as well?

Is there like a full list of bids put in does anyone know.

I'd assume that bid would have covered a significant proportion of the Teesside area too, much like many of the other bids which have been accepted - so to me, if anything, that would be the more surprising rejection.

(27 Mar 2022, 6:29 pm)citaro5284 wrote [ -> ]I was under the impression that Arriva and Stagecoach put a bid in for The Teesside area as well?

Is there like a full list of bids put in does anyone know.

This was the list on gov.uk before they removed it with the results announcement (I've marked winners in red): 

Standard track
On 27 July 2021, 17 further LTAs were selected under the standard process to progress to Phase 2 of the competition. They are:

• Blackpool Council
  
• City of York Council
  
• Hertfordshire County Council
  
• Liverpool City Region Combined Authority
  
• Norfolk County Council
  
• North Yorkshire County Council
  
• Nottingham City Council
  
• Oxfordshire County Council
  
• Portsmouth City Council & Hampshire County Council
  
• Sheffield City Region Combined Authority (presumably listed as South Yorkshire Combined Authority on results)
  
• Southampton City Council
  
• Swindon Borough Council
  
• Tees Valley Combined Authority
  
• Transport for Greater Manchester
  
• Transport North East
  
• West Yorkshire Combined Authority
  
• Worcestershire County Council (but labelled West Midlands Combined Authority on results)
  

These 17 areas will each create a business case for investment.

(27 Mar 2022, 6:44 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]I think you'd be way off the mark. I don't think anyone is as obsessed with Southeastern as this forum.

The penalty has been paid, there'll be some reputational damage but everyone in the main is moving on. The stock market certainly doesn't seem to care too much, further rail contracts have been awarded...

I'm not sure about that the RMT are on GoAhead like a hawk lately, seen they're having a go at GBR over the renewal of the GTR contract. Then again they're always moaning though to be fair.

(27 Mar 2022, 6:57 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]I'd assume that bid would have covered a significant proportion of the Teesside area too, much like many of the other bids which have been accepted - so to me, if anything, that would be the more surprising rejection.

https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/wp-content/...posal-.pdf - That's the Tees Valley one but it's all been redacted so you can't tell what's going on. From the map it appears it's the following routes though.

The 2 (Darlington), 7 (Darlington), X66/X67, 36, 8 (Middlesbrough), 9 (Middlesbrough), 17 (Middlesbrough), 12 (Middlesbrough), X3/X3A - Partially (Redcar), 63 (Redcar)

I was surprised they didn't get that one mind tbf.

(27 Mar 2022, 7:33 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]I'm not sure about that the RMT are on GoAhead like a hawk lately, seen they're having a go at GBR over the renewal of the GTR contract. Then again they're always moaning though to be fair.


https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/wp-content/...posal-.pdf - That's the Tees Valley one but it's all been redacted so you can't tell what's going on. From the map it appears it's the following routes though.

The 2 (Darlington), 7 (Darlington), X66/X67, 36, 8 (Middlesbrough), 9 (Middlesbrough), 17 (Middlesbrough), 12 (Middlesbrough), X3/X3A - Partially (Redcar), 63 (Redcar)

I was surprised they didn't get that one mind tbf.

It's a shame that bid didn't go through tbh. Looking at the map, it would seem to be the X4 rather than the X3 (based on the route by the coast in Redcar) but only as far as Brotton which seems odd...guess it doesn't really matter now tho lol.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teess...mantis_rec&int_medium=web&int_campaign=more_like_this

More on the Tees Valley application.

Is there going to be another sort of "round" of this, so areas who missed out on this have a chance in the nearish future?