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(11 Sep 2022, 4:19 am)omnicity4659 wrote [ -> ]I agree, the greys didn't suit the interior at all.

As for the the spec, there's only been the following changes to the standard spec since 1999:
  • 1999: "bridges" moquette, black flooring, yellow handrails, blue/turquoise panels, green walls
  • 2009: "Overdrive" moquette, black flooring, mustard handrails, blue/turquoise panels, green walls
  • 2009: "windows" moquette, grey patterned flooring, cream handrails, blue/turquoise panels, green walls
  • 2014: blue pleather, grey patterned flooring, cream handrails, blue/turquoise panels, green walls
  • 2015: as above with 3-pin plugs
  • 2016: 3-pin plugs swapped for USB charging

2005 was when their premium spec (part of the national Operation Overdrive, locally named Viva) was launched with green interiors, teal flooring, tinted windows etc. Many MPDs, 7445/6 and the 57 plate E400s were delivered in that spec.

Aye that's the one Overdrive but there was variants of that, some just the flooring (not up here), some with black seat backs, some with the disgusting green seat backs etc. Not to mention it wasn't consistent what got it, 56 Darts didn't, 57 DAF's did (for the same route) etc.

I'm glad the Overdrive interior didn't get far as that really was grim. Not sure who thought that was premium.
The shade of bleen that the 57-rego Lowlanders had looks particularly awful. Makes me want to throw up just looking at pictures of them on Flickr.

Looks like 7501-13 also used that same shade when they were new, but 7514-21 used a much less eye-straining shade of blue when they were delivered (which 7511-3 also received when they were refurbished to MAX spec).
(11 Sep 2022, 7:47 pm)wibblejunior wrote [ -> ]The shade of bleen that the 57-rego Lowlanders had looks particularly awful. Makes me want to throw up just looking at pictures of them on Flickr.

Looks like 7501-13 also used that same shade when they were new, but 7514-21 used a much less eye-straining shade of blue when they were delivered (which 7511-3 also received when they were refurbished to MAX spec).

Aye horrid the Overdrive interior like.

1763 - 1773
Omnicity's (not sure on numbers)
7445 - 7446
7501 - 7513

All had it aswell, it was all part of a fleet investment in 2005 then for some strange reason the Enviro's and the Lowlanders you mentioned there came with it aswell. Not sure why it was resurrected up here in 2017 as it was dead elsewhere as far as I'm aware.

The Cadet at Ashington which seems to be still in service is in it aswell bar it's had it's seats reupholstered at some point.
At the time it was introduced it stood out as a lot of the interiors were pretty bland, dark and dank and something different was needed to stick out, back in 2005 headrests were seen as a premium feature.

I'd say it suited some types more than others, the Omni's were not the best fit with the way the interior is set out, the MAX referb they received later in life did no favours for looks (seats were flat as a pancake by that point tho).

I'd say it was very much a product of its time and to some degree hasn't aged well.
(11 Sep 2022, 8:21 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Aye horrid the Overdrive interior like.

1763 - 1773
Omnicity's (not sure on numbers)
7445 - 7446
7501 - 7513

All had it aswell, it was all part of a fleet investment in 2005 then for some strange reason the Enviro's and the Lowlanders you mentioned there came with it aswell. Not sure why it was resurrected up here in 2017 as it was dead elsewhere as far as I'm aware.

The Cadet at Ashington which seems to be still in service is in it aswell bar it's had it's seats reupholstered at some point.

Looks like the entire batch of DK55 cadets had that interior when they were new. https://flic.kr/p/g4rowi

More vehicles with that interior include:

Arriva the Shires KE55 Solars: https://www.flickr.com/photos/faversham-...5Y-2majHgF
Arriva Southern Counties Darts
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gbbuspics/...y4E-iKSxmP https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesexcel...Dn-2n8pFYm
Arriva Southern Counties B7TL/ALX400s
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47745602@N...7kh-eFSJ7T
Arriva Midlands Commanders and Geminis
https://www.flickr.com/photos/135481234@...qoL-e5tBtM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ksu461/126...BM-29vHNxf
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdan1402...zbt-zM28ZQ
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bens_trans...EF7-nCQ2Es
(11 Sep 2022, 8:21 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Aye horrid the Overdrive interior like.

1763 - 1773
Omnicity's (not sure on numbers)
7445 - 7446
7501 - 7513

All had it aswell, it was all part of a fleet investment in 2005 then for some strange reason the Enviro's and the Lowlanders you mentioned there came with it aswell. Not sure why it was resurrected up here in 2017 as it was dead elsewhere as far as I'm aware.

The Cadet at Ashington which seems to be still in service is in it aswell bar it's had it's seats reupholstered at some point.

Indeed - Runcorn was the next area after Durham to go 'Operation Overdrive' with 42 VDL SB120/Wright Cadets (along with a few refurbished Scania N113CRL/Wright Pathfinders), the majority of the Cadets carrying 'Strider' branding for the Runcorn network. North West, unlike North East, retrimmed their vehicle during repaints so their entire batch of Cadets gained the 2009 'Blue Block' moquette when they were repainted into interurban livery.
I know the 08 plate Solo's have a pretty miserable interior
(12 Sep 2022, 9:14 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]I know the 08 plate Solo's have a pretty miserable interior
Doesn't help that they've needed a good scrub for at least the past 5 years.
(12 Sep 2022, 12:03 pm)wibblejunior wrote [ -> ]Looks like the entire batch of DK55 cadets had that interior when they were new. https://flic.kr/p/g4rowi

More vehicles with that interior include:

Arriva the Shires KE55 Solars: https://www.flickr.com/photos/faversham-...5Y-2majHgF
Arriva Southern Counties Darts
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gbbuspics/...y4E-iKSxmP https://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesexcel...Dn-2n8pFYm
Arriva Southern Counties B7TL/ALX400s
https://www.flickr.com/photos/47745602@N...7kh-eFSJ7T
Arriva Midlands Commanders and Geminis
https://www.flickr.com/photos/135481234@...qoL-e5tBtM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/ksu461/126...BM-29vHNxf
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bigdan1402...zbt-zM28ZQ
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bens_trans...EF7-nCQ2Es
(12 Sep 2022, 12:23 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]Indeed - Runcorn was the next area after Durham to go 'Operation Overdrive' with 42 VDL SB120/Wright Cadets (along with a few refurbished Scania N113CRL/Wright Pathfinders), the majority of the Cadets carrying 'Strider' branding for the Runcorn network. North West, unlike North East, retrimmed their vehicle during repaints so their entire batch of Cadets gained the 2009 'Blue Block' moquette when they were repainted into interurban livery.

Ah interesting, didn't realise so many buses were ordered under Overdrive, thought it was only 3 operating areas. Knew Medway had a few, then Liverpool and Durham. Didn't realise there were others aswell.

(12 Sep 2022, 9:14 pm)V514DFT wrote [ -> ]I know the 08 plate Solo's have a pretty miserable interior

It doesn't help half of them haven't had a penny spent on them in their lifetime. The Ashington 5 were in absymal state, never been on a bus where the door wasn't attached to the floor as the bar had corroded right through. Minibuses at Arriva always do seem to have a hard life as the majority of the Darts (few were done in Redcar) and the Metroriders before them were exactly the same.
I've been told a couple of Ashington drivers have ended up stuck in a E200 cab as the door jammed.
Have arriva north east received some new small single decker's as well as those double decker's that are oin the x21 route. I was sitting in the hotspur drinking away and cant decide if i dreamt all these new buses or they were actually there as we've been told numerous times on here that arriva NE are being run into the ground and will get zero new equipment?

PS bee nice if i've just missed the post saying they were coming, i have a terrible hangover!!
(18 Sep 2022, 8:16 am)Rob44 wrote [ -> ]Have arriva north east received some new small single decker's as well as those double decker's that are oin the x21 route. I was sitting in the hotspur drinking away and cant decide if i dreamt all these new buses or they were actually there as we've been told numerous times on here that arriva NE are being run into the ground and will get zero new equipment?

PS bee nice if i've just missed the post saying they were coming, i have a terrible hangover!!

Aye, they've branded them as the 'Pink Elephant' Wink
(18 Sep 2022, 8:23 am)Andreos1 wrote [ -> ]Aye, they've branded them as the 'Pink Elephant' Wink

Now if only ANE did branding........and there was a zoo on the route...... the connotations !   Wink
(18 Sep 2022, 8:16 am)Rob44 wrote [ -> ]Have arriva north east received some new small single decker's as well as those double decker's that are oin the x21 route. I was sitting in the hotspur drinking away and cant decide if i dreamt all these new buses or they were actually there as we've been told numerous times on here that arriva NE are being run into the ground and will get zero new equipment?

PS bee nice if i've just missed the post saying they were coming, i have a terrible hangover!!

Yes, loads of new E200MMCs to replace the Solos... unless I've spent too much time in The Five Swans and The Job Bulman and have also dreamt them...
(18 Sep 2022, 9:48 am)omnicity4659 wrote [ -> ]Yes, loads of new E200MMCs to replace the Solos... unless I've spent too much time in The Five Swans and The Job Bulman and have also dreamt them...
 Thankyou! I feel better now.  Must remember not to take to much notice of what's put on here!  Wink

 Just waiting for arriva to confirm they  are not binning any newcastle services off when jesmond closes....
(18 Sep 2022, 8:16 am)Rob44 wrote [ -> ]Have arriva north east received some new small single decker's as well as those double decker's that are oin the x21 route. I was sitting in the hotspur drinking away and cant decide if i dreamt all these new buses or they were actually there as we've been told numerous times on here that arriva NE are being run into the ground and will get zero new equipment?

PS bee nice if i've just missed the post saying they were coming, i have a terrible hangover!!
Maybe they had plans before covid? But got put on hold for obvious reasons.

Arriva's Northumbria network looks to have recovered mostly well bar a few rotten eggs that should hopefully be sorted in time.

Hopefully Blyth's turn next year......I'd say if anything for the 308 (and 306 if interworking), send 12x of whatever is due to Blyth to Ashington then let 7541-52 see out their time at Blyth on the 308. I doubt GNE will allocate anything newer than 67 reg StreetDecks on the 309/310/311 (cascaded presumably off the 21) unless they won some sort of Green Bus fund bid or GAG's new investors had a change of heart.
(18 Sep 2022, 11:59 am)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Maybe they had plans before covid? But got put on hold for obvious reasons.

Arriva's Northumbria network looks to have recovered mostly well bar a few rotten eggs that should hopefully be sorted in time.

Hopefully Blyth's turn next year......I'd say if anything for the 308 (and 306 if interworking), send 12x of whatever is due to Blyth to Ashington then let 7541-52 see out their time at Blyth on the 308. I doubt GNE will allocate anything newer than 67 reg StreetDecks on the 309/310/311 (cascaded presumably off the 21) unless they won some sort of Green Bus fund bid or GAG's new investors had a change of heart.
How profitable is the coast road honestly
(18 Sep 2022, 12:11 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]How profitable is the coast road honestly
Well other than Saturdays to help with the driver situation and evenings, Arriva haven't reduced any frequencies and are still charging the 'going fare'.
(18 Sep 2022, 4:33 pm)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Well other than Saturdays to help with the driver situation and evenings, Arriva haven't reduced any frequencies and are still charging the 'going fare'.
That didn't answer my questions.

ANE, GNE are pushing the coast road GNE every 7 mins, so it must be profitable.
(18 Sep 2022, 11:59 am)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Maybe they had plans before covid? But got put on hold for obvious reasons.

Arriva's Northumbria network looks to have recovered mostly well bar a few rotten eggs that should hopefully be sorted in time.

Hopefully Blyth's turn next year......I'd say if anything for the 308 (and 306 if interworking), send 12x of whatever is due to Blyth to Ashington then let 7541-52 see out their time at Blyth on the 308. I doubt GNE will allocate anything newer than 67 reg StreetDecks on the 309/310/311 (cascaded presumably off the 21) unless they won some sort of Green Bus fund bid or GAG's new investors had a change of heart.

Don't see the point in moving those to Blyth.

imo a sensible investment for Blyth would be

2023: X7/X8/X9 - 14 Streetdeck + 1 Spare, 7601 - 7608 moved onto 306/308/X10/X11 (officially X7/X8/X9 on paper); 1490, 1493, 1495, 1496, 1500 - 1505 moved elsewhere (no space for Pulsar's at Blyth with the new depot plans so need to move if the Streetlite's move there - possibly the 43/44/45 to replace the 57/58 plate Enviro's)
2024: X10/X11 - 8 Streetdeck + 1 Spare, 7601 - 7608, 7611 - 7615 moved to reserve role
2026: 306/308 - Whatever buses are around then, replace all Gemini's

The X7, X8, X9 are going to be affected by the Blyth and Tyne line the most so you might want to improve the service before it turns it up otherwise they could be in big trouble.
(18 Sep 2022, 4:45 pm)Unber43 wrote [ -> ]That didn't answer my questions.

ANE, GNE are pushing the coast road GNE every 7 mins, so it must be profitable.

Surely it did? 

You asked how profitable it is, nobody is going to be able to give you an exact answer (those that do know aren't going to come on here and give a precise figure). So the reponse stating that frequency hasn't been dropped, and that ANE are still charging standard fares, surely gives an indication that it is at least making some amount of money? It's likely not as profitable as pre-2020, but ANE and GNE aren't going to be running that many buses along there if they're barely breaking even.

Personally, while I'd expect some rationalisation when government funding ends, I certainly still see it as one of the main money making corridors in the NE when you think about the places it serves.
(18 Sep 2022, 11:59 am)L469 YVK wrote [ -> ]Maybe they had plans before covid? But got put on hold for obvious reasons.

Arriva's Northumbria network looks to have recovered mostly well bar a few rotten eggs that should hopefully be sorted in time.

Hopefully Blyth's turn next year......I'd say if anything for the 308 (and 306 if interworking), send 12x of whatever is due to Blyth to Ashington then let 7541-52 see out their time at Blyth on the 308. I doubt GNE will allocate anything newer than 67 reg StreetDecks on the 309/310/311 (cascaded presumably off the 21) unless they won some sort of Green Bus fund bid or GAG's new investors had a change of heart.

There were absolutely plans before Covid, unsure if they involved the E200s but definitely deckers of some sort. 

Northumbria's core network seems pretty robust if we're honest:

The 1/2 are constantly busy with short hop journeys and, when you take into account ANE fare pricing, must make a decent chunk of money. £6.50 for anyone in Blyth going to Ashington and back, for example. I can't remember any exactly, but the single fares from Bebside/Cowpen into Blyth are relatively high too. You can frequently see decent crowds waiting to board both in Blyth Bus Station. 

The 35 again is busy with short hops, predominantly concessions during the day though. Is likely helped by school traffic and workers, and again the fares. There have been quite a few times where I've got off a Woodhorn bound 35 at Ashington with another 10-15 people, with another 10-15 waiting to board, and then the one behind is exactly the same. 

The 43 seems to be a consistent route, helped by large loadings in the peaks. The morning peak journeys into Gosforth and Newcastle are always rammed, even with a decker, and from what I've seen the northbound PM peaks aren't much quieter. Forget about using it on a Newcastle match day unless you absolutely need to, and loadings on "normal" Saturdays and Sundays also look quite strong. 

The 44/45, compared to the others so far, look to be quite feast or famine. Peaks are quite busy, but they seem very quiet outside of that. Matchdays, same as above though. 

The 57/57A from what I've seen always have respectable loadings, and I imagine helped by almost being two separate routes (Ashington - Cramlington, and then Cramlington to Whitley Bay, don't imagine many do end to end). Don't think they'll set the world alight with revenue, but an hourly service using minibuses and minibus driver wages probably doesn't need to be taking full loads to make some money. New buses on there now so reliability should improve, which will only help it further. 

I'll group the X10/11 and X21/22 together. They all look very strong in the peaks, full seated loads for the main ones into town on a morning. Weekend and match day loadings are also ridiculous, with the only outlier really being the X22 which is very hit/miss and seems to be more reliant on concessionary travel during the day compared to the rest. With all though, decent amount of shorter journeys between towns in-between the peaks which no doubt helps massively. All that said, I imagine that (outside of the peaks) putting the X21/22 down to every 30 could make them a bit stronger financially too - difficult balance to strike though and I wouldn't be surprised at all if they kept them every 20 once funding ends. X21/22 are also massively helped by workers to/from Nelson Industrial Estates.

The X9 seems to be a funny one, always seems busy enough (particularly during the peaks) but I'm not sure if the route change has had much of an impact? That said, with the growing estates around Cramlington it's one that looks like it has quite a bit of potential if managed correctly. 

Then there's the Morpeth express work. Morpeth to Newcastle, all of them are busy, obviously in the peaks but also during the day they carry decent loadings. Now that the X14 is every 2 hours north of Morpeth, the ones I've seen during the day seem healthy. The X15/18s, while somewhat seasonal, from what I've seen carry decent numbers - and when they're busy they are very busy. Obviously NCC subsidies will help too, especially in the case of the X14. The X20 is similar, trips from Ashington in the morning are very busy, and there's always reasonable usage between Ashington and Alnwick (mainly split between Ash-Widdrington, and Widdrington-Alnwick). 

I can't comment on the 51-4/X7/X8/Newcastle minibus work as I don't have reason to use them, and don't see them regularly enough to pass comment (and I'm not going to comment on the Coast Road as I think it's been done by now). 

Obviously the Ashington & Blyth line will pose a threat to some of the above, but realistically I don't think it'll have much of an impact on the shorter journeys, and the bus is still going to be the best option for those commuting from the centre of Blyth, Bedlington, Newbiggin, Cramlington etc. If I'm honest, I think it'll have a much bigger impact on the amount of people commuting by car. 

Arriva North East's main issues seem to be with Durham County, and it's been that way for as long as I can remember unfortunately.
(18 Sep 2022, 4:58 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Don't see the point in moving those to Blyth.

imo a sensible investment for Blyth would be

The X7, X8, X9 are going to be affected by the Blyth and Tyne line the most so you might want to improve the service before it turns it up otherwise they could be in big trouble.
To be honest, the X8 is a bit of a basket case.

The X9 to give credit to Arriva and for service to the North of Blyth, they have improved it. But if they really wanted to give the train good competition, they could go..........

- X7 - same route as now every 20 mins.
- X8 - dropped and replaced by 43 and 43A.
- X9 - Same as now Blyth to Shankhouse, then X10 route to Newcastle.
- X10 - Same route and frequency as now.
- X11 - Same route and frequency as now.
(Note that X9/X10/X11 would combine every 10 mins)
- 43 - Morpeth to Cramlington as now, then via High Pit, Annitsford and Fern Drive before picking up normal route. Every 30 mins Newcastle to Cramlington then hourly to Morpeth.
(Note Dudley Lane would still be covered by 52 & 53 as well as the Northern part by X9/X10/X11)
- 43A - Basically the 'old' X9/X13 route from Blyth to Newcastle but all stopping between Fisher Lane and Newcastle via Seaton Burn and Wide Open. Every 30 mins.
- 44/45 - Re-instated to every 30 mins each.
Regarding the 44/45, they had generally been getting good passenger numbers, but it's noticeable that there's been a drop recently since the emergency timetable was put in place and the regular cancellations on top of that. With hundreds of new houses under construction, if they can get some reliability back to the services they will likely see good use again.
(18 Sep 2022, 10:07 pm)Shrek wrote [ -> ]Regarding the 44/45, they had generally been getting good passenger numbers, but it's noticeable that there's been a drop recently since the emergency timetable was put in place and the regular cancellations on top of that. With hundreds of new houses under construction, if they can get some reliability back to the services they will likely see good use again.

arnt the new houses in those area built with drives to fit several cars on?  If you could afford one of those the last thing you'll care about is whether the 44 runs every 30 minutes -  you'll no not want to mix with the bus passages when you've got you x5 or merc on the drive.

Be nice for Dinnington to have 4 bus per hour though if it returned to normal
Have all the new single decks arrived yet? I noticed one or two solos still knocking about today. When are they due to be withdrawn/sent elsewhere?
According to Bustimes 2701-14 have all entered service, which I believe is all of them.
(24 Sep 2022, 3:26 pm)ne14ne1 wrote [ -> ]Have all the new single decks arrived yet? I noticed one or two solos still knocking about today. When are they due to be withdrawn/sent elsewhere?

Think the only one I've seen left is the Quorum branded one? Possible they're keeping it to cover for teething issues (given they're new, it'll be a case of waiting for ADL to fix any issues under warranty so might not be as quick as a depot could do it), or for the entry into service of their deckers (I've not seen any of 7515/6/53/54 in service there, and 7556 is/was dead at Ashington last week).
(24 Sep 2022, 5:30 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Think the only one I've seen left is the Quorum branded one? Possible they're keeping it to cover for teething issues (given they're new, it'll be a case of waiting for ADL to fix any issues under warranty so might not be as quick as a depot could do it), or for the entry into service of their deckers (I've not seen any of 7515/6/53/54 in service there, and 7556 is/was dead at Ashington last week).

2837 is the only one of Northumbria’s M950s being retained - the 555 doesn’t enter the CAZ zone so does not need to be operated by a Euro6 vehicle. Likewise, 2601-3 are being retained for the 553 for the same reason.
(24 Sep 2022, 5:44 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]2837 is the only one of Northumbria’s M950s being retained - the 555 doesn’t enter the CAZ zone so does not need to be operated by a Euro6 vehicle. Likewise, 2601-3 are being retained for the 553 for the same reason.

Forgot about those 3 staying for that - assume Arriva are planning on still running the 553/555 when they move to Ashington/Blyth.
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