North East Buses

Any idea if Newcastles ALX300S are still coming down to Stockton due to the CAZ? Along with the Manviro 300s from Carlisle?

Any idea if Newcastles ALX300S are still coming down to Stockton due to the CAZ? Along with the Manviro 300s from Carlisle?

(19 Dec 2022, 7:41 am)Lollist wrote [ -> ]Any idea if Newcastles ALX300S are still coming down to Stockton due to the CAZ? Along with the Manviro 300s from Carlisle?

i think any transfers will occur on the days when there's barely any service like Christmas eve, Christmas day and boxing day

Yeah probably but u think its definitely gonna happen

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Will they track when they are coming down?

(19 Dec 2022, 9:05 pm)Lollist wrote [ -> ]Yeah probably but u think its definitely gonna happen

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Will they track when they are coming down?

it should happen otherwise stagecoach are wasting money, as for tracking i think it depends on whether the ticket machines are with it

I can't see the point of the alx 300 coming back to Stockton depot some of them have all ready be withdrawn from Stockton.

Well they are good little buses tbh

(20 Dec 2022, 2:41 am)glen wrote [ -> ]I can't see the point of the alx 300 coming back to Stockton depot some of them have all ready be withdrawn from Stockton.

its been mentioned why about a hundred times now they will be swapped for Stockton's MMCs, its to do with with euro rating of the buses, the ALXs are euro 2/3 whereas MMCs are euro 6

Newcastle's ALXs aren't CAZ compatible meaning stagecoach pay a fine every time they are used in the zone,

on the other hand Stockton's MMCs are CAZ compatible meaning they wont pay a fine for being used in the zone,

so the buses in Newcastle that cant be used come to Stockton and change places with ones that can, now do you see the point?

(20 Dec 2022, 1:56 pm)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]its been mentioned why about a hundred times now they will be swapped for Stockton's MMCs,  its to do with with euro rating of the buses, the ALXs are euro 2/3 whereas MMCs are euro 6

Newcastle's ALXs aren't CAZ compatible meaning stagecoach pay a fine every time they are used in the zone,

on the other hand Stockton's MMCs are CAZ compatible meaning they wont pay a fine for being used in the zone,

so the buses in Newcastle that cant be used come to Stockton and change places with ones that can, now do you see the point?

Do they actually need them now that they've got the 12 or so buses from Cumbria and the new Decker's coming in.

There's a clause that if you purchase new buses that they can continue to run uncompliant buses until they turn up.

They should in theory be able to replace them all without Stockton's MMC's moving up.

(20 Dec 2022, 2:31 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Do they actually need them now that they've got the 12 or so buses from Cumbria and the new Decker's coming in.

There's a clause that if you purchase new buses that they can continue to run uncompliant buses until they turn up.

They should in theory be able to replace them all without Stockton's MMC's moving up.

the Cumbria buses which there are only 6 of i believe  unless they have modifications like new engines wont be compliant i think.

unless they are using the new decker's to replace ALXs which i don't think they are because the older decker's need to be replaced then no they still need to exchange Stockton's MMCs

(20 Dec 2022, 5:40 pm)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]the Cumbria buses which there are only 6 of i believe  unless they have modifications like new engines wont be compliant i think.

unless they are using the new decker's to replace ALXs which i don't think they are because the older decker's need to be replaced then no they still need to exchange Stockton's MMCs

Well looking at the allocations the 5 at Walkergate seem to be bailing out the unreliable deckers so assume those will be directly replaced by the new order.

Which leaves the 8 at Slatyford and I'm sure there's been more; 22885, 22887, 22889, 22890, 24116, 24117, 24119 - 24123 and 24169 isn't it? They'll all be able to get Euro 6 Mod's like the ones they've already got there otherwise they need to move out either way, send them instead of ALX's? Not to mention there's been service reductions on the 6/7/8/30/31/36/71 which in theory should've released a few singles - not sure if anything has been replaced by them already though.

Not to mention the fact Walkergate currently has 14 single decker's, excluding the MAN's, to operate a PVR 4 on the 317, I don't believe there's any other single decker routes there - correct me if I'm wrong.

It's very close either way and if anything it'll be roughly 3 buses, seems a waste sending up Stockton's new buses for that.

They need to mostly focus on Hartlepool looking in to maybe optare or mcv?

(20 Dec 2022, 8:06 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Well looking at the allocations the 5 at Walkergate seem to be bailing out the unreliable deckers so assume those will be directly replaced by the new order.

Which leaves the 8 at Slatyford and I'm sure there's been more; 22885, 22887, 22889, 22890, 24116, 24117, 24119 - 24123 and 24169 isn't it? They'll all be able to get Euro 6 Mod's like the ones they've already got there otherwise they need to move out either way, send them instead of ALX's? Not to mention there's been service reductions on the 6/7/8/30/31/36/71 which in theory should've released a few singles - not sure if anything has been replaced by them already though.

Not to mention the fact Walkergate currently has 14 single decker's, excluding the MAN's, to operate a PVR 4 on the 317, I don't believe there's any other single decker routes there - correct me if I'm wrong.

It's very close either way and if anything it'll be roughly 3 buses, seems a waste sending up Stockton's new buses for that.

"Well looking at the allocations the 5 at Walkergate seem to be bailing out the unreliable decker's so assume those will be directly replaced by the new order." -- 5 what? singles?

I didn't realise that more than 6 singles from Cumbria had arrived at SNE, I've not seen it mentioned on here so maybe they came under the radar a bit.

I certainly wasn't aware walkergate had 14 single decks- i thought they had 4 E200s for the 317, and 7 single decks 2 of which were the 2 2014 E300s from Stockton that were swapped with the 60 plate E400s

(21 Dec 2022, 12:04 am)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]"Well looking at the allocations the 5 at Walkergate seem to be bailing out the unreliable decker's so assume those will be directly replaced by the new order." -- 5 what? singles?

I didn't realise that more than 6 singles from Cumbria had arrived at SNE, I've not seen it mentioned on here so maybe they came under the radar a bit.

I certainly wasn't aware walkergate had 14 single decks- i thought they had 4 E200s for the 317, and 7 single decks 2 of which were the 2 2014 E300s from Stockton that were swapped with the 60 plate E400s

ALX300's at Walkergate.

Yeah this below is the allocation of them today, according to BusTimes, an awful lot of them on the 22. Apart from the 5 for the 317 there's absolutely no need for them there. Just assuming that they keep 36960 - 36964 for the 317, there's a potential 7 singles there to displace elsewhere which the Decker's will no doubt outright displace assuming 3 will be kept for the 685 aswell.

ALX300
22065 - 22
22341 - 22
22347 - 22
22412 - NIS
22437 - 22

Enviro 200/300
24109 - 22
27157 - 12
27158 - X63
27723 - 12
27724 - 317
27725 - 317
27736 - 22
27739 - 22
36467 - NIS
36468 - 317
36960 - NIS
36961 - Loan? Moved to Slatyford overnight though
36962 - 317
36963 - 317
36964 - 12

(21 Dec 2022, 9:06 am)Storx wrote [ -> ]ALX300's at Walkergate.

Yeah this below is the allocation of them today, according to BusTimes, an awful lot of them on the 22. Apart from the 5 for the 317 there's absolutely no need for them there. Just assuming that they keep 36960 - 36964 for the 317, there's a potential 7 singles there to displace elsewhere which the Decker's will no doubt outright displace assuming 3 will be kept for the 685 aswell.

ALX300
22065 - 22
22341 - 22
22347 - 22
22412 - NIS
22437 - 22

Enviro 200/300
24109 - 22
27157 - 12
27158 - X63
27723 - 12
27724 - 317
27725 - 317
27736 - 22
27739 - 22
36467 - NIS
36468 - 317
36960 - NIS
36961 - Loan? Moved to Slatyford overnight though
36962 - 317
36963 - 317
36964 - 12

where have all the decker's gone? , apart from the 2 at stockton, when i worked at SNE i think walkergate only had about 5 single decks, obviously i know the 317 needs some E200s but 7 seems excessive

With reference to how many E300s have come from Carlisle; it should be noted that several of the vehicles listed earlier in this thread, although they appear in the BusTimes list for NorthEast, have yet to track in this area and, indeed, have most recent tracking from Carlisle. Unless there's a positive sighting of the vehicles around Newcastle, I suggest you treat any BusTimes record with a pinch of salt .....

(21 Dec 2022, 12:08 pm)Ianthegoon wrote [ -> ]With reference to how many E300s have come from Carlisle; it should be noted that several of the vehicles listed earlier in this thread, although they appear in the BusTimes list for NorthEast, have yet to track in this area and, indeed, have most recent tracking from Carlisle.  Unless there's a positive sighting of the vehicles around Newcastle, I suggest you treat any BusTimes record with a pinch of salt .....

The only one of the MANs that isn't tracking that as it stands we have no official confirmation of transfer is 24117 - 24116 was sighted by myself at the beginning of November on 6/7s, 24119/23 have both been sighted at Wheatsheaf being repainted (both photos by Harry Barker) and 24121 was sighted again by myself on X87/X88 at the end of November. 22890 has been noted elsewhere as being at Slatyford but in pieces having transferred with issues.

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(21 Dec 2022, 11:50 am)toward6931 wrote [ -> ]where have all the decker's gone? , apart from the 2 at stockton, when i worked at SNE i think walkergate only had about 5 single decks, obviously i know the 317 needs some E200s but 7 seems excessive

10633/7 on loan to Sunderland hence 27736/9 being at Walkergate in exchange (Slatyford also have 19387 on loan to Sunderland).
The spare allocation for the 317, even in the days of using the MANs on it, was 2 - originally 24101-7 were at Walkergate before swapping over for 36094/468/960-4 before the recent swap of 36094 to Hartlepool (to reunite the 59 plates at one depot) for 36467. The issue is the need for deckers at other depots in the region now (officially Stockton are meant to be using the deckers on the Sedgefield College runs and the UTC runs, however due to the reduction on the 34, one 10/34 board now has to be allocated a decker or one of the 275xxs should only one of the deckers be available to cope with the demand on the first 34 trip on the board) and not enough to go around.........

(21 Dec 2022, 12:18 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]The only one of the MANs that isn't tracking that as it stands we have no official confirmation of transfer is 24117 - 24116 was sighted by myself at the beginning of November on 6/7s, 24119/23 have both been sighted at Wheatsheaf being repainted (both photos by Harry Barker) and 24121 was sighted again by myself on X87/X88 at the end of November. 22890 has been noted elsewhere as being at Slatyford but in pieces having transferred with issues.

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10633/7 on loan to Sunderland hence 27736/9 being at Walkergate in exchange (Slatyford also have 19387 on loan to Sunderland).
The spare allocation for the 317, even in the days of using the MANs on it, was 2 - originally 24101-7 were at Walkergate before swapping over for 36094/468/960-4 before the recent swap of 36094 to Hartlepool (to reunite the 59 plates at one depot) for 36467. The issue is the need for deckers at other depots in the region now (officially Stockton are meant to be using the deckers on the Sedgefield College runs and the UTC runs, however due to the reduction on the 34, one 10/34 board now has to be allocated a decker or one of the 275xxs should only one of the deckers be available to cope with the demand on the first 34 trip on the board) and not enough to go around.........

The E200 seem to be struggling a lot on the 317. Seem to keep being taken of for something different. Been quite a few E400 on it lately

(21 Dec 2022, 12:08 pm)Ianthegoon wrote [ -> ]With reference to how many E300s have come from Carlisle; it should be noted that several of the vehicles listed earlier in this thread, although they appear in the BusTimes list for NorthEast, have yet to track in this area and, indeed, have most recent tracking from Carlisle.  Unless there's a positive sighting of the vehicles around Newcastle, I suggest you treat any BusTimes record with a pinch of salt .....

They've all been confirmed on the Stagecoach fleet cards rather than using Bustimes as the source and most are already here as mentioned after. Some are coming from Morecambe aswell as Carlisle.

Btw speaking of displacements, does anyone know where the Enviro 200's from Inverness are going. I know we've had buses from up there in the past and not seen anything mentioned about them, would make a good start on getting shot of the MAN Enviro 200's. Bit off topic but it's kind of related.

(21 Dec 2022, 1:13 pm)Storx wrote [ -> ]Btw speaking of displacements, does anyone know where the Enviro 200's from Inverness are going. I know we've had buses from up there in the past and not seen anything mentioned about them, would make a good start on getting shot of the MAN Enviro 200's. Bit off topic but it's kind of related.

6 moving from the Highlands fleet to the Bluebird fleet to replace Solos from the sounds of it.

(21 Dec 2022, 12:32 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]The E200 seem to be struggling a lot on the 317. Seem to keep being taken of for something different. Been quite a few E400 on it lately

I think it’s more a timekeeping issue, if a bus is late arriving into Wallsend it’s often replaced with a new bus, which is easy to do considering they change drivers there anyway.

It looks like 36961 might have been a direct swap for 24109, and im sure I read somewhere on here that 22341/7 were at Walkergate for extra dupes over Christmas so presumably they can be withdrawn in the new year? Id like to hope these new E400s that are due will replace some single decker's too. Also does anyone know if any of Sunderland's deckers are euro 6 apart from 19641/2?

(21 Dec 2022, 3:02 pm)Dans_bus_photos wrote [ -> ]It looks like 36961 might have been a direct swap for 24109, and im sure I read somewhere on here that 22341/7 were at Walkergate for extra dupes over Christmas so presumably they can be withdrawn in the new year?  Id like to hope these new E400s that are due will replace some single decker's too. Also does anyone know if any of Sunderland's deckers are euro 6 apart from 19641/2?

to be honest i think midibuses need to be whittled down a bit. i think slatyford and sunderland could both lose 5 each in favour of a bigger single deck or double deck

(21 Dec 2022, 2:51 pm)Thomas12 wrote [ -> ]I think it’s more a timekeeping issue, if a bus is late arriving into Wallsend it’s often replaced with a new bus, which is easy to do considering they change drivers there anyway.

Confusing how the E200 can be late but the E400 can make its time up. North Shields towards Whitley Bay seems to be causing most of the timing issues

(21 Dec 2022, 1:26 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]6 moving from the Highlands fleet to the Bluebird fleet to replace Solos from the sounds of it.

That makes sense the Solos up are getting on a bit, assuming the SR's will be joining them to displace the rest.

(21 Dec 2022, 4:52 pm)Aaron21 wrote [ -> ]Confusing how the E200 can be late but the E400 can make its time up. North Shields towards Whitley Bay seems to be causing most of the timing issues

Probably more just the times. Foxhunters and John Spence will be the two problem areas, the traffic is horrendous around both at school times.

Not to mention Decker's are shorter if there's bad parking around North Tyneside Hospital (forgot the name of the road, Maltern?).

(21 Dec 2022, 12:18 pm)Kuyoyo wrote [ -> ]The only one of the MANs that isn't tracking that as it stands we have no official confirmation of transfer is 24117 - 24116 was sighted by myself at the beginning of November on 6/7s, 24119/23 have both been sighted at Wheatsheaf being repainted (both photos by Harry Barker) and 24121 was sighted again by myself on X87/X88 at the end of November. 22890 has been noted elsewhere as being at Slatyford but in pieces having transferred with issues.

Thanks for the positive confirmations!  Always far too easy to look at the BusTimes data and forget that it isn't always correct, so getting the first-hand evidence is always to be valued.

24120-PX59AZG seems to now have transferred to Stockton

(22 Dec 2022, 1:21 pm)Dyllan7817 wrote [ -> ]24120-PX59AZG seems to now have transferred to Stockton

27253 is now tracking from Slatyford and is out on the 62s

(22 Dec 2022, 1:21 pm)Dyllan7817 wrote [ -> ]24120-PX59AZG seems to now have transferred to Stockton

on a permanent note?

Is it permanent? Will more enviro 300s be moving up