North East Buses

(03 Jan 2015, 5:50 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote [ -> ]I've only ever used Service 64 between Durham and the Arnison Centre, and vice-versa coming and going from and to both destinations.

I'd say quite a lot of it estate-based on the Durham - Arnison Centre section of the route.

Oh well, completely destroys my suggestion then  It is a bit weird how they've, as Dan said, pretty much got a Sapphire spec bus but not fitted Wi-Fi! 

Edit: Could it be possible they do have Wi-Fi but it just hasn't been turned on or something?

(03 Jan 2015, 5:50 pm)MarcTheA4 wrote [ -> ]I've only ever used Service 64 between Durham and the Arnison Centre, and vice-versa coming and going from and to both destinations.

I'd say quite a lot of it estate-based on the Durham - Arnison Centre section of the route.

Yeah pretty much the whole 64 is housing estates plus the City Centre, the closest to rural is the bit between Tesco and Sherburn but it is not really rural.

Yes e-leather is the standard spec for Arriva vehicles now - several Solos in the Shires area have been refurbished with e-leather (and wi-fi, which these E200's appear not to have?).
Good to see them entering service anyway - wonder where the next merry-go-round of cascades will get us?

(03 Jan 2015, 5:53 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Oh well, completely destroys my suggestion then  It is a bit weird how they've, as Dan said, pretty much got a Sapphire spec bus but not fitted Wi-Fi! 

Edit: Could it be possible they do have Wi-Fi but it just hasn't been turned on or something?

Possibly may not have been turned on, if it actually has WiFi.

Also I was in Darlington yesterday and tried to see if the ex demonstrator EcoCitys had been fitted with WiFi but no Arriva network came up when I was stood next to one. Again a case of they may have them but could have been turned off, I don't know.

(03 Jan 2015, 5:58 pm)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]Possibly may not have been turned on, if it actually has WiFi.

Also I was in Darlington yesterday and tried to see if the ex demonstrator EcoCitys had been fitted with WiFi but no Arriva network came up when I was stood next to one. Again a case of they may have them but could have been turned off, I don't know.

I know they're in line to be fitted but not sure whether they have achieved it yet.
Several more routes/vehicles will be fitted with wi-fi shortly too.

(03 Jan 2015, 6:00 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]I know they're in line to be fitted but not sure whether they have achieved it yet.
Several more routes/vehicles will be fitted with wi-fi shortly too.

I hope the 1/5/5A is one of them, if there is one Sapphire feature I wanted on these routes it was not next stop announcements.

(03 Jan 2015, 5:51 pm)Jimmi wrote [ -> ]I think all new / refurbished Arriva buses now have e-leather seating.

Not far off Sapphire spec just no WiFi or announcements, I think they should be used in the event of a Sapphire bus being unavailable for the 7 or the 6 when it becomes Sapphire as it's the closet Belmont have to Sapphire spec, downside to that is lower seating capacity.

Makes sense, providing the Sapphire Implementation Team agree to it....

(03 Jan 2015, 5:26 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]Having seen them in the flesh, I can't believe how dreadful the application of the Arriva livery is.

It's certainly not unknown for Thorntons to mess up repaints (it irritates me to this day that they painted over the black 'strip' below the windscreen on GNE's South Tyne Versas), but that's just awful. The fact that Arriva accepted them in that state is even more worrying.

That's just reminded me, saw 1774 today and it didn't appear to have Arriva fleetnames, at least it didn't on the front which left it looking a bit bare...

(03 Jan 2015, 5:55 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]Yes e-leather is the standard spec for Arriva vehicles now - several Solos in the Shires area have been refurbished with e-leather (and wi-fi, which these E200's appear not to have?).
Good to see them entering service anyway - wonder where the next merry-go-round of cascades will get us?

Any idea if more deckers will be moving up from London this year, as has happened for the past two?

(03 Jan 2015, 6:38 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Any idea if more deckers will be moving up from London this year, as has happened for the past two?

Yes there is but its not been confirmed how many yet. I suspect it will be 9 though, with 7436-44 to be replaced.
There is a glut of deckers coming out of London with many more to folllow in the next few months so don't be surprised if the DLA's start getting replaced too. We are currently upto 52/03 reg coming out of London, with some 04 plate DAF's also on the scrap heap!

(03 Jan 2015, 6:42 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]Yes there is but its not been confirmed how many yet. I suspect it will be 9 though, with 7436-44 to be replaced.
There is a glut of deckers coming out of London with many more to folllow in the next few months so don't be surprised if the DLA's start getting replaced too. We are currently upto 52/03 reg coming out of London, with some 04 plate DAF's also on the scrap heap!

Great news! Suppose, whatever comes, they'll only be refurbished to a maximum of what the Gemini's were refurbished to? Can't see them giving leather seats and Wi-Fi to a 12 year old bus. 

(03 Jan 2015, 6:42 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]Yes there is but its not been confirmed how many yet. I suspect it will be 9 though, with 7436-44 to be replaced.
There is a glut of deckers coming out of London with many more to folllow in the next few months so don't be surprised if the DLA's start getting replaced too. We are currently upto 52/03 reg coming out of London, with some 04 plate DAF's also on the scrap heap!

I have heard that Arriva are not winning many new contracts in London (mainly due to the contract price been high they are putting in), is this the reason why the deckers are becoming available?

At one time they had over 23% of routes, but I see that is down to around 18.9%

http://www.londonbusroutes.net/garages.htm

(03 Jan 2015, 6:47 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Great news! Suppose, whatever comes, they'll only be refurbished to a maximum of what the Gemini's were refurbished to? Can't see them giving leather seats and Wi-Fi to a 12 year old bus. 

I'm not sure given the new standard refurb appears to be e-leather seats - as the E200s have been given, so I would expect anything coming out of London will gain that as standard. Wi-fi kit may be on order for the E200s (if not already fitted). I know the kit is on order for the MPD's at Ashington/Blyth and not fitted as yet, so it could be a similar case here.
Therefore I would expect anything refurbished decker wise would be similarly specified.

(03 Jan 2015, 6:54 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]I'm not sure given the new standard refurb appears to be e-leather seats - as the E200s have been given, so I would expect anything coming out of London will gain that as standard. Wi-fi kit may be on order for the E200s (if not already fitted). I know the kit is on order for the MPD's at Ashington/Blyth and not fitted as yet, so it could be a similar case here.
Therefore I would expect anything refurbished decker wise would be similarly specified.

Sounds good  Just thinking, if this was the case, it would give passengers the impression that the buses they were getting were newer. As an example I was on one of the B7 Gemini's on an X21, just after it came from refurbishment, and passengers were talking about the "new" bus, quite rightly if I'm honest as it still smelled of paint a bit. It just goes to show what a refurb can do,and if it had leather seating and Wi-Fi it would only enhance this.

(03 Jan 2015, 7:12 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Sounds good  Just thinking, if this was the case, it would give passengers the impression that the buses they were getting were newer. As an example I was on one of the B7 Gemini's on an X21, just after it came from refurbishment, and passengers were talking about the "new" bus, quite rightly if I'm honest as it still smelled of paint a bit. It just goes to show what a refurb can do,and if it had leather seating and Wi-Fi it would only enhance this.

A lot of passengers are easily fooled and tend to think anything that looks smart is a "new bus" regardless of age. Interiors are something that has let ANE down in the past - though it is getting sorted with the likes of MAX, Sapphire being implemented. I think the joint management with Yorkshire has also helped to steer things in the right direction as their buses look so well looked after - materially at least, if not mechanically (that MPD [223] we had on loan at Stockton was shot and its no surprise it was binned asap!)

(03 Jan 2015, 7:17 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]A lot of passengers are easily fooled and tend to think anything that looks smart is a "new bus" regardless of age. Interiors are something that has let ANE down in the past - though it is getting sorted with the likes of MAX, Sapphire being implemented. I think the joint management with Yorkshire has also helped to steer things in the right direction as their buses look so well looked after - materially at least, if not mechanically (that MPD [223] we had on loan at Stockton was shot and its no surprise it was binned asap!)

Some people at the MAX launch in Darlington thought the Omnicitys were brand new when they are nearly 10 years old now.

(03 Jan 2015, 7:17 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]A lot of passengers are easily fooled and tend to think anything that looks smart is a "new bus" regardless of age. Interiors are something that has let ANE down in the past - though it is getting sorted with the likes of MAX, Sapphire being implemented. I think the joint management with Yorkshire has also helped to steer things in the right direction as their buses look so well looked after - materially at least, if not mechanically (that MPD [223] we had on loan at Stockton was shot and its no surprise it was binned asap!)

I agree that it's great that it looks like Arriva are taking a bit more pride with their fleet, especially cascades from London etc. as they will have had a pretty tough life. What is happening now must surely be the largest refurbishment scheme, if you could call it that, that ANE has ever done, and the results should be rewarding for them.

I think the fact that a great deal of vehicles going their entire lives without being touched internally was a bit of a mistake and a mistake ANE realised, the M and P reg Olympians for example probably deserved something after spending a large amount of their 16 year lives on routes with very high passenger numbers. 7436-44 should also have had something done   

(03 Jan 2015, 7:29 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]I agree that it's great that it looks like Arriva are taking a bit more pride with their fleet, especially cascades from London etc. as they will have had a pretty tough life. What is happening now must surely be the largest refurbishment scheme, if you could call it that, that ANE has ever done, and the results should be rewarding for them.

I think the fact that a great deal of vehicles going their entire lives without being touched internally was a bit of a mistake and a mistake ANE realised, the M and P reg Olympians for example probably deserved something after spending a large amount of their 16 year lives on routes with very high passenger numbers. 7436-44 should also have had something done   

Some buses made it through their full lives without being touched externally never mind internally...! Some are still going too....

I think the Max Omnicity's look good, but it was a bad decision to refurb such old stock to the standard it has been. Surely the decision to cascade the Pulsars from ANW was made a while back, so they could have delayed max, refurbished the 10 reg Pulsars from ANW to Max spec and got vehicles that were newer, in better nick and easier to maintain. The engineers hate the Scanias, I've heard 3 need new engines, they all need new heaters, the list goes on! I drove 4644 today and it had more screws, rivets and metal plates holding it together than enough. But, Arriva do like to get their money's worth!

So the MPDs at Ashington/Blyth aren't finished yet? Are they all get e-leather seats, free Wi-Fi and the X14 MPDs in Max livery?

(03 Jan 2015, 8:32 pm)MrPottski wrote [ -> ]I think the Max Omnicity's look good, but it was a bad decision to refurb such old stock to the standard it has been. Surely the decision to cascade the Pulsars from ANW was made a while back, so they could have delayed max, refurbished the 10 reg Pulsars from ANW to Max spec and got vehicles that were newer, in better nick and easier to maintain. The engineers hate the Scanias, I've heard 3 need new engines, they all need new heaters, the list goes on! I drove 4644 today and it had more screws, rivets and metal plates holding it together than enough. But, Arriva do like to get their money's worth!

I understand the North West Pulsars will be destined for Durham depot to be allocated to a specific route(s).
It's a shame about the bodywork on the Scanias as they're a solid vehicle underneath, but the Polish body leaves a lot to be desired.

(03 Jan 2015, 8:39 pm)ArrivaNE_7522 wrote [ -> ]So the MPDs at Ashington/Blyth aren't finished yet? Are they all get e-leather seats, free Wi-Fi and the X14 MPDs in Max livery?

They've had a repaint at Thorntons, they should be fitted with Wi-Fi soon. Won't be getting Max livery though.
Should be 1773/1774/1775 at Blyth and 1792/1800/1801 at Ashington

(03 Jan 2015, 8:32 pm)MrPottski wrote [ -> ]I think the Max Omnicity's look good, but it was a bad decision to refurb such old stock to the standard it has been. Surely the decision to cascade the Pulsars from ANW was made a while back, so they could have delayed max, refurbished the 10 reg Pulsars from ANW to Max spec and got vehicles that were newer, in better nick and easier to maintain. The engineers hate the Scanias, I've heard 3 need new engines, they all need new heaters, the list goes on! I drove 4644 today and it had more screws, rivets and metal plates holding it together than enough. But, Arriva do like to get their money's worth!

Have no issues to report with the one I had on the X66 today other than the bell.

They really should have sorted the bell out when it was undergoing refurbishment. It's far too loud. The girl who was sitting opposite me actually let out a little scream and jumped out of her seat when someone pressed the bell... Granted we were at the back where it's the loudest, but crikey...

Just wondering, with the amount of non-MAX buses I saw on the X14/15 today, do Ashington have any MAX spares? At least three MAX vehicles weren't on the routes they were meant to be, or in service at all.

(03 Jan 2015, 8:58 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]Just wondering, with the amount of non-MAX buses I saw on the X14/15 today, do Ashington have any MAX spares? At least three MAX vehicles weren't on the routes they were meant to be, or in service at all.

Someone else will be able to answer re: spares, although I don't think they do have any spare MAX double decks. If they don't have any spares, see recent discussion in the GNE Latest thread about the misconception of corporate liveried vehicles covering for branded vehicles when the services in question do not have any branded spare vehicles.

One was on the 20/X20 though: https://flic.kr/p/qBXHzh

They should have one spare - albeit X15 branded

7514-7516 X14 (PVR 3)
7511-7513, 4653, 4659 X15 (PVR 4)
7529-7533 X18 (PVR 5)

(03 Jan 2015, 9:01 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]Someone else will be able to answer re: spares, although I don't think they do have any spare MAX double decks. If they don't have any spares, see recent discussion in the GNE Latest thread about the misconception of corporate liveried vehicles covering for branded vehicles when the services in question do not have any branded spare vehicles.

One was on the 20/X20 though: https://flic.kr/p/qBXHzh

That would, partly, explain it. WHY refurbish and brand vehicles for a service and then not use them, on the correct service!! 

(03 Jan 2015, 9:06 pm)mb134 wrote [ -> ]That would, partly, explain it. WHY refurbish and brand vehicles for a service and then not use them, on the correct service!! 

Ashington's allocations have been dreadful over the past few weeks.

There have been reports of MAX branded vehicles (single and double deck) on services 35 and 57, for example. It's crazy.

(03 Jan 2015, 9:05 pm)tyresmoke wrote [ -> ]They should have one spare - albeit X15 branded

7514-7516 X14 (PVR 3)
7511-7513, 4653, 4659 X15 (PVR 4)
7529-7533 X18 (PVR 5)

So, lets say they used 7514 as the spare and put it on the X20 as shown in the picture Dan linked, at least 3 others (I'm inclined to believe maybe 4, but not completely sure) were still allocated elsewhere, or broken!

(03 Jan 2015, 8:32 pm)MrPottski wrote [ -> ]I think the Max Omnicity's look good, but it was a bad decision to refurb such old stock to the standard it has been. Surely the decision to cascade the Pulsars from ANW was made a while back, so they could have delayed max, refurbished the 10 reg Pulsars from ANW to Max spec and got vehicles that were newer, in better nick and easier to maintain. The engineers hate the Scanias, I've heard 3 need new engines, they all need new heaters, the list goes on! I drove 4644 today and it had more screws, rivets and metal plates holding it together than enough. But, Arriva do like to get their money's worth!

I imagine the ex Redcar / Whitby examples are the worst after been hammered on the X93 over the last few years.

(03 Jan 2015, 9:08 pm)Dan wrote [ -> ]Ashington's allocations have been dreadful over the past few weeks.

There have been reports of MAX branded vehicles (single and double deck) on services 35 and 57, for example. It's crazy.

Unless there is reliability problems, in which case fair enough, there should be no excuse for putting them on the 35 and 57! Why should the 35 and 57 get the vehicles intended for the X14/5/8!!!