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RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Jimmi - 23 Jan 2016

(23 Jan 2016, 4:16 pm)S813 FVK 7609 on X24
Seems to be the go to allocation on Saturday's for the X24, if it isn't required on the X12, much like MAX 1415 regularly working the Teesside Park S1 on Saturday's.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - mb134 - 23 Jan 2016

7468 on X21, at Bedlington Red Lion around 10 minutes ago heading to Newbiggin.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - tyresmoke - 23 Jan 2016

(23 Jan 2016, 3:56 pm)Cock Robin You're the one who's trying to be clever. And not just with me either. You're talking out your a*se. Why test a bus if its only been tested a month before just cos that's the date the bus that's withdrawn was due for test? So if you then transfer it to another depot do you change the date and do it early again. Waste of money when there's other things they could be spending it on.

Each bus has to be tested every year, so these have to be spread across the year at each depot. You usually lose a bus for a week for preparation - test day at Stockton is on a Wednesday which usually sees one of our own, plus a vehicle from Redcar and two from Darlington all having MOT tests.

There are only around 50 weeks available to MOT test vehicles - with a fleet size of around 70 at Stockton, this means one or two are done each week. This means it has to be spread across the fleet so that we don't end up with 10 vehicles off in one week. I'd presume (I'm not 100%) that this means vehicles coming in will take the dates of vehicles leaving the fleet, to keep the yearly spread as close as possible to what it always has been.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Stuartphin1639 - 24 Jan 2016

1509 adding some normality to sapphire service 7 today


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Jimmi - 24 Jan 2016

(24 Jan 2016, 5:05 pm)Stuartphin1639 1509 adding some normality to sapphire service 7 today
I heard that MAX 1416 was out on the Sapphire 7 today! What on earth is going on here today, can only assume two or more Sapphire Pulsars are not available today and they don't want to put the Enviro 400's out on the 19. Making a complete mockery of route branding.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - beefcake - 25 Jan 2016

2817 on 24


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - passenger_10 - 25 Jan 2016

(23 Jan 2016, 7:23 pm)tyresmoke Each bus has to be tested every year, so these have to be spread across the year at each depot. You usually lose a bus for a week for preparation - test day at Stockton is on a Wednesday which usually sees one of our own, plus a vehicle from Redcar and two from Darlington all having MOT tests.

There are only around 50 weeks available to MOT test vehicles - with a fleet size of around 70 at Stockton, this means one or two are done each week. This means it has to be spread across the fleet so that we don't end up with 10 vehicles off in one week. I'd presume (I'm not 100%) that this means vehicles coming in will take the dates of vehicles leaving the fleet, to keep the yearly spread as close as possible to what it always has been.

But what about used vehicles that enter the fleet or transfer between depots? A used bus coming into the fleet may be due its annual test in the days or weeks after it arrives, but the bus it's replacing may be on the schedule to be tested several months into the future. Presumably each bus's MOT only lasts for 12 months and you couldn't run a bus without a valid MOT just to fit the depot's engineering schedule. 

I would imagine a second hand bus arriving would just have to continue on its old schedule so that its MOT doesn't lapse, or pass its MOT before it enters service, depending on circumstances at the depot with engineering / service requirements?

Clearly in the reverse situation where the bus being replaced is shortly due its test and the bus coming in still has several months to run on its MOT this isn't an issue, other than the potential cost of preparing and testing a bus soon after its already been tested.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Mark - 25 Jan 2016

(25 Jan 2016, 7:08 pm)passenger_10 But what about used vehicles that enter the fleet or transfer between depots? A used bus coming into the fleet may be due its annual test in the days or weeks after it arrives, but the bus it's replacing may be on the schedule to be tested several months into the future. Presumably each bus's MOT only lasts for 12 months and you couldn't run a bus without a valid MOT just to fit the depot's engineering schedule. 

I would imagine a second hand bus arriving would just have to continue on its old schedule so that its MOT doesn't lapse, or pass its MOT before it enters service, depending on circumstances at the depot with engineering / service requirements?

Clearly in the reverse situation where the bus being replaced is shortly due its test and the bus coming in still has several months to run on its MOT this isn't an issue, other than the potential cost of preparing and testing a bus soon after its already been tested.

Vehicle movements have their MOT date taken into account when they are planned for transfer or withdrawal. In the case of Stockton, the outgoing SB120 buses were in most cases withdrawn in the order their MOT was due, although a couple of them might have been due to major work being required which weren't cost effective to repair when there were other vehicles that could temporarily remain in place.
It is known that new vehicles can have their first MOT months ahead of their expiry, but when you get large batches launched (e.g. the fourteen Streetlites at Redcar), these need to be planned this way to ensure all are completed within their first year.
When a transferred vehicle is brought into a depot, it will be seen which is the nearest space to it's test expiry to be allocated. If the available space was many months early, they would simply  move other vehicles forward a week or two on the plan to create a gap for it to be sensibly placed in the MOT order. Depots like Stockton have an advantage with this as the plan covers two vehicles a week, with gaps where only one is up for test. This means it is easier to fit vehicles in on quieter weeks and swap around when only one vehicle is up for test.
The only issue is when incoming vehicles (especially new ones) are delayed. This can lead to a vehicle being tested and only lasting a few weeks before withdrawal. The only way round this might see a temporary loan from another depot to cover rather than spending best part of a week preparing a bus for test.
I think this covers the points raised. Hope this makes sense!


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - passenger_10 - 25 Jan 2016

(25 Jan 2016, 7:41 pm)Mark Vehicle movements have their MOT date taken into account when they are planned for transfer or withdrawal. In the case of Stockton, the outgoing SB120 buses were in most cases withdrawn in the order their MOT was due, although a couple of them might have been due to major work being required which weren't cost effective to repair when there were other vehicles that could temporarily remain in place.
It is known that new vehicles can have their first MOT months ahead of their expiry, but when you get large batches launched (e.g. the fourteen Streetlites at Redcar), these need to be planned this way to ensure all are completed within their first year.
When a transferred vehicle is brought into a depot, it will be seen which is the nearest space to it's test expiry to be allocated. If the available space was many months early, they would simply  move other vehicles forward a week or two on the plan to create a gap for it to be sensibly placed in the MOT order. Depots like Stockton have an advantage with this as the plan covers two vehicles a week, with gaps where only one is up for test. This means it is easier to fit vehicles in on quieter weeks and swap around when only one vehicle is up for test.
The only issue is when incoming vehicles (especially new ones) are delayed. This can lead to a vehicle being tested and only lasting a few weeks before withdrawal. The only way round this might see a temporary loan from another depot to cover rather than spending best part of a week preparing a bus for test.
I think this covers the points raised. Hope this makes sense!

Yes it does make sense. It's obviously far easier to have tests scheduled so they're spread out rather than having an entire batch of buses (which probably operate on the same route) all needing to be prepared and MOTed at the same time.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Kuyoyo - 25 Jan 2016

1923 spent the day on 15s today.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Adrian - 26 Jan 2016

7609 on the 57


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Stuartphin1639 - 26 Jan 2016

4804 on the 21/X21 (replaced 4812)
4812 on the 2 (replaced 4804)
4652 on X75/X76
1416 on 1/5/5A/19
1516 on 12/12A (replacing 1424)


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - cbma06 - 26 Jan 2016

spare sapphire pulsar on service 23 today.
x12 max double decker on service 57A, at least 2 deckers on 57A today, before arriva changed the route it seemed that it was always solo operated before.

does new drivers get put on service 23, as those eco streetlites are taking a battering along the humps in Hartlepool, it seems that the driver aims the wheels to go over the bumps instead of having the hump go between the wheels, thought the suspension was going to collapse with all the bangs that the streetlites were taken, I also thought that NSA were working on the streetlites for service 23.

Also if anybody works for Arriva doing the NSA for there buses, that when service 24 leaves peterlee bus station to go to durham that the next stop is not Passfield Way, its is Southway, also service 24 to Durham doesn't stop at any bus stops on Passfield Way. only stops at 2 bus stops on Passfield Way coming from Durham.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Jimmi - 26 Jan 2016

(26 Jan 2016, 5:57 pm)cbma06 spare sapphire pulsar on service 23 today.
x12 max double decker on service 57A, at least 2 deckers on 57A today, before arriva changed the route it seemed that it was always solo operated before.

23 was probably mostly Solo operated as Belmont have a fair few of them, non of which are branded. Now we have branded StreetLite's on the 23 but no spare, so pretty much any single decker seems to end up on the 23 now, 7609 even made an appearance recently.

57A has been mixed Solo and double deck operation for a while now, it used to be because the 57A used to run to Durham Johnston School at school times so double deckers were needed on those runs. Although the 57A doesn't run to Durham Johnston School anymore it still seems to be allocated double deckers plus Pulsars and Enviro 200s seem to regularly appear to.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Cock Robin - 26 Jan 2016

1463 on X66/7.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - jaimzm - 27 Jan 2016

Max Gemini on 57a


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Kuyoyo - 27 Jan 2016

1420 is on Stockton's last X12 working at present but will be replaced by 1441 upon arrival in Middlesbrough.


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Kuyoyo - 27 Jan 2016

1456 on the 1020 5 from Middlesbrough


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Kuyoyo - 27 Jan 2016

(27 Jan 2016, 10:33 am)Kuyoyo 1456 on the 1020 5 from Middlesbrough

Now joined by 1407 on the 1050 5 replacing 1512
Redcar meanwhile have 1566 on 22/64


RE: Arriva North East: Rare & Odd Workings - January 2016 - Davie - 27 Jan 2016

7458 - X9
Corporate B7 - X7
Corporate Pulsar - X8
52/53 branded alx - 55