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RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Storx - 03 Sep 2022
(03 Sep 2022, 10:11 am)pbjd Who’d have thought that someone working for another operator would be incorrect on cuts by another operator.
In fairness, there's still Covid money about currently. Stagecoach always made more money before the pandemic so they have more money to lose.
GNE definitely jumped the gun though since it's been extended 3 times now (maybe 4?) and made their first cuts way too early and didn't let the network rebuild - not that it would've made any difference due to lack of drivers. The Stagecoach Newcastle cuts, the only area done so far were quite substantial really (71 cut, 35 cut, 32/32A cut, 18 cut, frequency decreases allover etc.) especially when it's the most profitable area out of the network by a mile.
Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 03 Sep 2022
(03 Sep 2022, 10:11 am)pbjd Who’d have thought that someone working for another operator would be incorrect on cuts by another operator.
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The Bus Recovery Grant funding has been extended again beyond October… My prediction was that service reductions would fall in line with the cancellation of BRG funding.
I suspect Stagecoach will hold out as long as possible while said funding is available - if it is then established that BSIP funding can be used to protect the current network (rather than as proposed to establish new links), then I’d hazard a guess that’s what Stagecoach and the local authorities will go for. It’s a safer bet for them.
Despite the desire from members of this forum to try something new rather than persevering with the current network, I don’t think many operators or local authorities are up for taking that risk. The local authorities in particular will have the main intention of retaining links because this is what current customers and local politicians will fight for.
Of course, I might be talking out my arse. Time will tell.
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RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Economic505 - 05 Sep 2022
(01 Sep 2022, 11:27 pm)col87 It would seem Hartlepool at least for the time been is staying as it is as nothing so far as it would have been done at the same time. The 36 been extended back to the Marina is a positive though as it currently just sits on Stockton Street or blocks the stands on Victoria Road while having a layover. This is pretty much all positive changes though.Hartlepool changes are there. Where it says ‘Teesside’, in the HTML table , click and change to Hartlepool. service 1 changing route in High Tunstall , plus an evening experimental service between Throston Grange and Seaton Carew.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - col87 - 05 Sep 2022
(05 Sep 2022, 5:35 am)Economic505 Hartlepool changes are there. Where it says ‘Teesside’, in the HTML table , click and change to Hartlepool. service 1 changing route in High Tunstall , plus an evening experimental service between Throston Grange and Seaton Carew.Yeah have just seen it’s only recently been added but great news that it’s actually improvements rather than a decrease in services. Other than the 1 getting an evening service it’s pretty much remaining the same which is great as most of the town has at least a half hourly service Monday - Saturday. It’s only the villages of Dalton Piecy and Elwick which still have next to no service.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Acky81 - 19 Sep 2022
These stagecoach Sunderland changes must be coming soon. I hope they totally give the network a full refresh. New routes new route numbers and improved frequencies
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - 54APhotography - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 am)Acky81 These stagecoach Sunderland changes must be coming soon. I hope they totally give the network a full refresh. New routes new route numbers and improved frequenciesWhy change route numbers, the changes are mainly to even out to a 15 minute average, less 4's, 16's and 20's
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 7:55 am)54APhotography Why change route numbers, the changes are mainly to even out to a 15 minute average, less 4's, 16's and 20's
When are these changes happening?
Haven't seen out on VOSA or the Stagecoach site yet.
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However, changes for Teeside/Hartlepool happening on the 30.10.22 - all variation
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RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - F114TML - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 am)Acky81 These stagecoach Sunderland changes must be coming soon. I hope they totally give the network a full refresh. New routes new route numbers and improved frequenciesWhy change the route numbers? It doesn't feel to me that the network needs a refresh, but apparently the 18 is under threat (what a surprise).
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Acky81 - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 7:55 am)54APhotography Why change route numbers, the changes are mainly to even out to a 15 minute average, less 4's, 16's and 20'sJust think it makes sense have numbers in sync. Numbers could be next to each other that serve estates
1/2 Farringdon
3/4 Doxford park
5/6 grangetown
7/8 Thorney close
9/10 pennywell
11/12 dene estate- seaburn
just a thought
(19 Sep 2022, 8:40 am)F114TML Why change the route numbers? It doesn't feel to me that the network needs a refresh, but apparently the 18 is under threat (what a surprise).18 should of been binned off with the 19years ago
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Economic505 - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 11:58 am)Acky81 Just think it makes sense have numbers in sync. Numbers could be next to each other that serve estatesWe don’t need new route numbers. Some of the current route numbers have been established for years. We have seen the mess that route tinkering has done to GNE. As for the 18 route, surely some of it must be retained.
1/2 Farringdon
3/4 Doxford park
5/6 grangetown
7/8 Thorney close
9/10 pennywell
11/12 dene estate- seaburn
just a thought
18 should of been binned off with the 19years ago
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - F114TML - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 11:58 am)Acky81 Just think it makes sense have numbers in sync. Numbers could be next to each other that serve estatesYeah cos that's not confusing "The 3 now goes to Doxy and the old 3 is now the 1, also there's 2 2s". Now how about the 10 and 11 that go to both Grangetown and Pennywell?
1/2 Farringdon
3/4 Doxford park
5/6 grangetown
7/8 Thorney close
9/10 pennywell
11/12 dene estate- seaburn
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - 54APhotography - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael When are these changes happening?End of the month. also proposed is 10/11 lose a bus an hour, which still affords a very frequent service from Grangetown and Pallion. Bonus is a drive to remove the Manviros.
Haven't seen out on VOSA or the Stagecoach site yet.
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However, changes for Teeside/Hartlepool happening on the 30.10.22 - all variation
PB0001987/22
Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 52 (52) Stockton Owington Farm
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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 565 (58A) Port Clarence Hardwick
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RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - F114TML - 19 Sep 2022
I think the 18 will become a secured service tbh, or maybe they'll make changes (split it into two routes?) - all I know is in its current state it's under threat. Thing is, like I said earlier, it connects the hospital with loads of places but the trouble is it's something of a magical mystery tour.
(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 pm)54APhotography End of the month. also proposed is 10/11 lose a bus an hour, which still affords a very frequent service from Grangetown and Pallion. Bonus is a drive to remove the Manviros.I've heard they're eyeing up more gas buses (presumably Scania Fencers) to replace them but whether that actually happens or not...
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - DeltaMan - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 pm)54APhotography End of the month. also proposed is 10/11 lose a bus an hour, which still affords a very frequent service from Grangetown and Pallion. Bonus is a drive to remove the Manviros.Are Stagecoach only doing public "consultations" when it's good news these days?
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 12:15 pm)54APhotography End of the month. also proposed is 10/11 lose a bus an hour, which still affords a very frequent service from Grangetown and Pallion. Bonus is a drive to remove the Manviros.
Ah right, interesting.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - 54APhotography - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 12:17 pm)F114TML I think the 18 will become a secured service tbh, or maybe they'll make changes (split it into two routes?) - all I know is in its current state it's under threat. Thing is, like I said earlier, it connects the hospital with loads of places but the trouble is it's something of a magical mystery tour.Yes, Scania and MAN both explored, Busways plan remains to have Sunderland all CNG
I've heard they're eyeing up more gas buses (presumably Scania Fencers) to replace them but whether that actually happens or not...
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - F114TML - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 12:49 pm)54APhotography Yes, Scania and MAN both explored, Busways plan remains to have Sunderland all CNGYeah, good idea IMO. The current gas buses are lovely to drive, too. Having said that, apparently Stagecoach are meant to be all-electric by 2035, not quite sure how that's going to work given the regional nature of a lot of their other divisions.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Acky81 - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 12:14 pm)F114TML Yeah cos that's not confusing "The 3 now goes to Doxy and the old 3 is now the 1, also there's 2 2s". Now how about the 10 and 11 that go to both Grangetown and Pennywell?
do you mean go north east 2 cos that’s means nothing these days
20 to pennywell
20 to Durham
like I said just a thought
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Kuyoyo - 19 Sep 2022
Bus Times has the details of the Teesside changes on the Licence Page
(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael However, changes for Teeside/Hartlepool happening on the 30.10.22 - all variation
PB0001987/22
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Saturday Service reverts to normal frequency
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Variation CLEVELAND TRANSIT LTD 565 (58A) Port Clarence Hardwick
Re-registered to confirm the post-Covid standing
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Saturday frequency increased to every 15 minutes (from the present half hourly), and additional journeys introduced on a Sunday morning
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Service via Hart Lane in Thorston Grange to serve Lidi and no longer operating via the Marina. Experimental evening service between Seaton Carew and Hartlepool introduced.
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(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael PB0001987/23
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Saturday frequency increased to every 12 minutes (presently every 20).
(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael PB0001987/91
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Re-registered to confirm the post-Covid standing
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Sunday journeys extended from Hemlington to Coulby Newham with a small number of Sunday trips withdrawn due to low usage.
(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael PB0001987/17
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Saturday Half Hourly frequency reinstated
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(19 Sep 2022, 8:00 am)Michael PB0001987/297
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Monday to Saturday daytime frequency revised to every 15 minutes (presently every 12 Monday to Friday and every 20 on Saturdays). Journeys from Park End revised to operate via Borough Road rather than Corporation Road.
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Re-registered to confirm the post-Covid standing
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Revised timetable, no change to frequency.
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Monday to Saturday frequency revised to every 12 minutes (from every 10 Monday to Friday off peak, every 30 on Saturdays - not, as stated on that page or by Stagecoach themselves, every 20). 2 journeys an hour will operate as the 57 to serve the new Summerville Quarter. Earlier Sunday morning journeys introduced
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Saturday frequency reinstated (every 15 minutes instead of every 30). Earlier Sunday journey added
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Journeys from Teesport revised to operate 5 minutes later to better assisting staff finishing times.
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Revised timetable, no change to frequency.
RE: Stagecoach North East: Upcoming Service Changes - F114TML - 19 Sep 2022
(19 Sep 2022, 1:06 pm)Acky81 do you mean go north east 2 cos that’s means nothing these daysAnd?
20 to pennywell
20 to Durham
like I said just a thought