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RE: Wrestling - MrFozz - 28 May 2015

(28 May 2015, 10:10 am)MurdnunoC I think it would be fair to say that's always been the case.

This isn't the first time they've been without a television deal. They signed with FOX in May 2004 and Impact was conceived. A year later, FOX decided not to renew their contract. TNA continued to produce Impact in the hope of securing another television deal. During this time Impact was only viewable on the internet. In October 2005 they managed to nab a television deal with Spike TV which ended in December 2014. They reached an agreement with Destination America to start airing Impact from January 2015 onwards; that deal has now ended.

In 2004 and 2005, there were still enough ex-WCW (and ex-WWE) stars and up-and-coming independent talent available to convince television executives a market existed for an alternative wrestling product which could viably complete with WWE. Spike TV invested heavily in the television production side of things which allowed TNA to concentrate their efforts on signing (and developing) talent to be used on TV which, in turn, would draw money for both TNA and Spike through merchandising and advertising deals. While there were some short-term gains and successes overall, TNA failed in their endeavours. 

Today, there are very few wrestling stars outside of WWE. Remember, TNA is attempting to engage the casual wrestling fan in tis product. The casual wrestling fan is someone, much like yourself, who regularly watches WWE but has a passing interest in wrestling. They are not likely to seek out foreign, local or nationally-known independent promotions unless someone specifically makes reference to their product. WCW was something that a casual fan might take interest in as it contained recognisable wrestlers with. for lack of a better term, star value. As already noted, TNA could achieve this in 2005 with a Sting, a Kevin Nash, a Kurt Angle, a Jeff Hardy or a Hulk Hogan but, fast-forward ten years later, all notable stars are either well past their prime or have now signed with WWE. Making new stars is extremely difficult when they're perceived by casual wrestling fans as WWE cast-offs like Drew McIntryre or Derek Bateman which is a problem TNA faces. 

TNA's programming will be expensive to produce because of the high-standard of television production values they've either set or been accustomed to over the years. In turn, this will increase the price of the television program to the network. ROH will be able to produce their program for a lot less money meaning it'll be cheaper to buy. If each wrestling program essentially contains 'nobodies' - and arguably, ROH contain 'nobodies' who casual fans are more familiar with - it makes business sense for television executives to go with the cheaper option.

 
I seem to remember Bischoff once saying he led a consortium that tried to buy WCW and he was told there would not be a TV Deal and he said words to the effect of 'Without TV it wasn't worth 25 cents'

I guess that goes along with what your saying.

Is Wrestling at a point now where it is WWE and nobody else will get a sniff because they can't compete with Vinny Mc's production values nor have the clout he has


RE: Wrestling - MurdnunoC - 28 May 2015

(28 May 2015, 10:44 am)MrFozz I seem to remember Bischoff once saying he led a consortium that tried to buy WCW  and he was told there would not be a TV Deal and he said words to the effect of 'Without TV it wasn't worth 25 cents'

I guess that goes along with what your saying.

But lets not forget that Vince McMahon eventually bought WCW for the princely sum, albeit reduced, of $3.5m. Even without television, WCW was still worth something and I think Bischoff (and Fusient Media) were perhaps a bit short-sighted not to attempt to renegotiate the price and terms of their initial deal. In 2001, many wrestlers were still waiting for their Time Warner contracts to expire. This included Hogan, Sting, Goldberg, Rey Mysterio, Scott Steiner and Ric Flair to name but a few. I firmly believe a television deal could have been struck with another network with that amount of star-power readily available. Hell, TNA achieved a national television deal with a lot less.

Even if TNA ceased tomorrow, I think they've done enough to create a brand which is recognisable to most wrestling fans. It's just unfortunate that TNA demonstrate an inability to create new stars. Relying on disgraced, discarded, released or failed ex-WWE competitors is certainly not the answer as it creates the image of a third-rate promotion of wresters who couldn't cut it in the big leagues. However stars can be created if a wrestlers reputation is somewhat untarnished by past indiscretions. This, of course, takes patience and a bit of long-term planning. The trouble with TNA management is that they're always on the look out for a short-term fix which, ultimately, undermines and destroys any previous effort.  

Is Wrestling at a point now where it is WWE and nobody else will get a sniff because they can't compete with Vinny Mc's production values nor have the clout he has

As I said above, if a promoter is in it for the long-haul over a 15-20 period, and their business plan reflects this, then perhaps something can be achieved. Television isn't everything; learn to walk before you try and run.


RE: Wrestling - Malarkey - 28 May 2015

Has anyone watched this?

ESPN: NXT Behind The Curtain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3MFI21wqss


Wrestling - MrFozz - 28 May 2015

Anyone know when the jerry Lawler documentary is going onto WWE network???


RE: Wrestling - MurdnunoC - 30 May 2015

It's always funny watching over-zealous fans getting carried away and interfering in wrestling matches.

Here's a video, made by same guy who produces Botchamania, dedicated to those who just can't keep their emotions or stupidity in check. 




RE: Wrestling - MrFozz - 30 May 2015

(30 May 2015, 1:07 pm)MurdnunoC It's always funny watching over-zealous fans getting carried away and interfering in wrestling matches.

Here's a video, made by same guy who produces Botchamania, dedicated to those who just can't keep their emotions or stupidity in check. 

I remember seeing one where a fan tried to tip Eddie Guerrero off a ladder

https://youtu.be/NOhKVCDqrME

Knobhead [SMILING FACE WITH OPEN MOUTH AND TIGHTLY-CLOSED EYES]


RE: Wrestling - MurdnunoC - 31 May 2015

A little bit of wrestling nostalgia from ECW. My favourite ring announcer....Joel Gertner.

Loads of good chat-up lines here to use with the ladies. Sadly, I lacked the verbal delivery skills necessary for them to work for me  Sad



My own personal favourite starts at 3:25.


RE: Wrestling - MrFozz - 31 May 2015

(31 May 2015, 9:59 am)MurdnunoC A little bit of wrestling nostalgia from ECW. My favourite ring announcer....Joel Gertner.

Loads of good chat-up lines here to use with the ladies. Sadly, I lacked the verbal delivery skills necessary for them to work for me  Sad



My own personal favourite starts at 3:25.

That's class [FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY]

If I tried any of those lines I would get slapped about like a Bitch Big Grin


RE: Wrestling - Malarkey - 31 May 2015

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/tyneside-wrestler-neville-swaps-westerhope-9358428#rlabs=2


RE: Wrestling - MurdnunoC - 31 May 2015

(31 May 2015, 8:11 pm)Malarkey http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/tyneside-wrestler-neville-swaps-westerhope-9358428#rlabs=2

I was always led to believe he from my neck of the woods - not Westerhope as the article claims. A couple of friends of mine knew an old tag-team partner of his from his time in the IWF. Apparently the tag-team partner, Hot Ed, was from Derwentside. His old IWF bio - long since vanished into the ether - also listed Rowlands Gill as his home town. Of course, as with a lot of things in wrestling, his hometown could have been worked although I don't understand the importance of stating one over the other. 

 


RE: Wrestling - MrFozz - 01 Jun 2015

(31 May 2015, 8:25 pm)MurdnunoC I was always led to believe he from my neck of the woods - not Westerhope as the article claims. A couple of friends of mine knew an old tag-team partner of his from his time in the IWF. Apparently the tag-team partner, Hot Ed, was from Derwentside. His old IWF bio - long since vanished into the ether - also listed Rowlands Gill as his home town. Of course, as with a lot of things in wrestling, his hometown could have been worked although I don't understand the importance of stating one over the other. 

 
Dunno why, but I always thought he was from Wallsend


RE: Wrestling - Malarkey - 02 Jun 2015

Stone Cold Steve Austin Podcast with Paul Heyman
http://wrestlingup.info/watch-the-stone-cold-podcast-with-paul-heyman-6115/#sthash.7Zu8na49.dpbs


RE: Wrestling - MrFozz - 03 Jun 2015

Watched it on the Network yesterday...

Love the Austin Podcast, Jericho is a good interviewer as well, I seen the ones he did with John Cena and Stephanie McMahon


RE: Wrestling - Malarkey - 04 Jun 2015

Grand Theft Ambrose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UJNInQ-1_w


RE: Wrestling - Malarkey - 07 Jun 2015

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/wrestling/biggest-televised-british-wrestling-event-5834608


RE: Wrestling - MurdnunoC - 08 Jun 2015

(07 Jun 2015, 9:45 pm)Malarkey http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/wrestling/biggest-televised-british-wrestling-event-5834608

Organised by Alex Shane. Good at generating publicity but I'd take everything that man says with a huge pinch of salt. 


RE: Wrestling - Malarkey - 08 Jun 2015

Goldberg has returned at Legends of Wrestling Event
http://www.wrestling-radio.com/news/39121/VIDEO-Goldberg-Spears-Longtime-WCW-Rival-Scott-Steiner-Last/


RE: Wrestling - Adrian - 11 Jun 2015

http://www.wwe.com/inside/dusty-rhodes-passes-away


RE: Wrestling - MurdnunoC - 11 Jun 2015

(11 Jun 2015, 6:15 pm)aureolin http://www.wwe.com/inside/dusty-rhodes-passes-away

Very sad. 

Hope they bring back War Games in his memory. It was perhaps the best kind of match he ever created.


RE: Wrestling - MrFozz - 11 Jun 2015

(11 Jun 2015, 6:57 pm)MurdnunoC Very sad. 

Hope they bring back War Games in his memory. It was perhaps the best kind of match he ever created.

Agreed Adam, very sad indeed...From what I have tried to find out, seems like he took a fall at home, EMTs were called and he died of Kidney failure at hospital...He took bumps and falls for like 40-50 years in the ring, then seemingly dies suddenly after a fall at home

Wrestling has lost one of the true great wrestling greats...Would it be fair to say, that, in my opinion Dusty was one of the finest ever talkers in Wrestling...Some of the lines he come up with were great

'I've wined and kings and Queens...I've slept in alleys and dined on pork and beans' is one that instantly sticks out

Thoughts and prayers go out his family...

I am actually shocked to hear that and genuinely sad and upset [LOUDLY CRYING FACE][LOUDLY CRYING FACE][LOUDLY CRYING FACE][LOUDLY CRYING FACE][LOUDLY CRYING FACE]

R.I.P Dream