Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Arriva North East: Service Suggestions
Sapphire Service 7 - Durham to Darlington
Having used the Service for the first time on Monday there are few changes I think could benefit the Service.
- Upgrade in Frequency to Every 10 Minutes
- Development at Durham Gate
- Several Housing Developments Across the Route
Think what is noted above would be enough to justify an Upgrade.
(28 Jan 2015, 2:45 pm)Malarkey Sapphire Service 7 - Durham to Darlington
Having used the Service for the first time on Monday there are few changes I think could benefit the Service.
- Upgrade in Frequency to Every 10 Minutes
- Development at Durham Gate
- Several Housing Developments Across the Route
Think what is noted above would be enough to justify an Upgrade.
(28 Jan 2015, 2:45 pm)Malarkey Sapphire Service 7 - Durham to Darlington
Having used the Service for the first time on Monday there are few changes I think could benefit the Service.
- Upgrade in Frequency to Every 10 Minutes
- Development at Durham Gate
- Several Housing Developments Across the Route
Think what is noted above would be enough to justify an Upgrade.
(28 Jan 2015, 2:45 pm)Malarkey Sapphire Service 7 - Durham to Darlington
Having used the Service for the first time on Monday there are few changes I think could benefit the Service.
- Upgrade in Frequency to Every 10 Minutes
- Development at Durham Gate
- Several Housing Developments Across the Route
Think what is noted above would be enough to justify an Upgrade.
(28 Jan 2015, 3:00 pm)Jimmi I would love to see the 7 be increased to every 10 minutes but I don't think this will happen because it would mess up the frequency of providing a bus from Darlington - Newton Aycliffe roughly every 7/8 minutes combined with the 5/5A, 8 and 21 so you'd end up with a complete mess of buses slotted in between 7's so it would end up being every 10 minutes for a bus at times, the only other you could do is increase the 8/21 to every 30 minutes so that they could slot in between the 7's which would mean a bus from Darlington - Newton Aycliffe roughly every 5 minutes.
I will say the 7 can be pretty busy during the daytime with very few seats can be left across various parts of the route especially Darlington Centre - Harrowgate Hill which often ends up leaving with standees.
One thing I'd love to see happen is the 7 be increased to every 30 minutes on Sunday daytimes as some journeys on a morning and afternoon can be pretty busy, the two I got around 11am on Sunday in both directions were pretty busy, although some journeys aren't as busy as Dan will probably tell you from his experiences of the 7 on a Sunday. This will probably never happen as the 7 used to run every 30 minutes on a Sunday before and didn't do quite well.
Some journeys at peak times can be absolutely rammed which will be why some Enviro 400's have been purchased for this route and a morning journey to Framwellgate Moor is currently duplicated on a morning.
(28 Jan 2015, 2:45 pm)Malarkey Sapphire Service 7 - Durham to Darlington
Having used the Service for the first time on Monday there are few changes I think could benefit the Service.
- Upgrade in Frequency to Every 10 Minutes
- Development at Durham Gate
- Several Housing Developments Across the Route
Think what is noted above would be enough to justify an Upgrade.
(28 Jan 2015, 3:00 pm)Jimmi I would love to see the 7 be increased to every 10 minutes but I don't think this will happen because it would mess up the frequency of providing a bus from Darlington - Newton Aycliffe roughly every 7/8 minutes combined with the 5/5A, 8 and 21 so you'd end up with a complete mess of buses slotted in between 7's so it would end up being every 10 minutes for a bus at times, the only other you could do is increase the 8/21 to every 30 minutes so that they could slot in between the 7's which would mean a bus from Darlington - Newton Aycliffe roughly every 5 minutes.
I will say the 7 can be pretty busy during the daytime with very few seats can be left across various parts of the route especially Darlington Centre - Harrowgate Hill which often ends up leaving with standees.
One thing I'd love to see happen is the 7 be increased to every 30 minutes on Sunday daytimes as some journeys on a morning and afternoon can be pretty busy, the two I got around 11am on Sunday in both directions were pretty busy, although some journeys aren't as busy as Dan will probably tell you from his experiences of the 7 on a Sunday. This will probably never happen as the 7 used to run every 30 minutes on a Sunday before and didn't do quite well.
Some journeys at peak times can be absolutely rammed which will be why some Enviro 400's have been purchased for this route and a morning journey to Framwellgate Moor is currently duplicated on a morning.
(28 Jan 2015, 3:48 pm)Andreos1 Taking those points into account, could a short version work?
Durham to Newton Aycliffe?
(28 Jan 2015, 3:48 pm)Andreos1 Taking those points into account, could a short version work?
Durham to Newton Aycliffe?
(28 Jan 2015, 3:48 pm)Andreos1 Taking those points into account, could a short version work?From looking at both the 7 and 8 Routes, it looks as though they pretty much follow each other between Darlington and Ferryhill, so therefore I have came up with the following.
Durham to Newton Aycliffe?
(28 Jan 2015, 3:48 pm)Andreos1 Taking those points into account, could a short version work?From looking at both the 7 and 8 Routes, it looks as though they pretty much follow each other between Darlington and Ferryhill, so therefore I have came up with the following.
Durham to Newton Aycliffe?
(28 Jan 2015, 4:26 pm)Malarkey From looking at both the 7 and 8 Routes, it looks as though they pretty much follow each other between Darlington and Ferryhill, so therefore I have came up with the following.
7/7A/X7 - Darlington - Tudoe - Aycliffe Village - Newton Aycliffe - Chilton - Ferryhill - Spennymoor (7A) - Croxdale - Durham - Framwellgate Moor
Service 8 Withdrawn and merged into Sapphire Service 7
Operating Every 10 Minutes
A New Peak Time Express will also be Introduced running on a Limited Stopping basis between Darlington and Framwellgate Moor.
(28 Jan 2015, 4:26 pm)Malarkey From looking at both the 7 and 8 Routes, it looks as though they pretty much follow each other between Darlington and Ferryhill, so therefore I have came up with the following.
7/7A/X7 - Darlington - Tudoe - Aycliffe Village - Newton Aycliffe - Chilton - Ferryhill - Spennymoor (7A) - Croxdale - Durham - Framwellgate Moor
Service 8 Withdrawn and merged into Sapphire Service 7
Operating Every 10 Minutes
A New Peak Time Express will also be Introduced running on a Limited Stopping basis between Darlington and Framwellgate Moor.
(24 Jan 2015, 11:29 am)Tommy_1581 Arriva need to get rid of 'X' routes if their not expresses. It takes me 54 minutes to Newcastle on the X21, but a 5 minute walk away is the X20 express that'll get me there in 35 minutes.I agree the Darlington X1 is not really an express and could have been renumbered 1C just as a route variation of the 1 diagram(there are frequent reports of X1 branded buses on 1/5 services which is over complicated for the customers to understand0 meaning there would have been no need to Max it and reduce the issue of branded buses ending up on the wrong service especially as the are keep in an outstation Also there would have been no need to change the original X1 to X12 Also X26/27 had no reason to be Max as the old quick X27 was dropped when the service reduced from a 15 min to 20 min service
(24 Jan 2015, 11:29 am)Tommy_1581 Arriva need to get rid of 'X' routes if their not expresses. It takes me 54 minutes to Newcastle on the X21, but a 5 minute walk away is the X20 express that'll get me there in 35 minutes.I agree the Darlington X1 is not really an express and could have been renumbered 1C just as a route variation of the 1 diagram(there are frequent reports of X1 branded buses on 1/5 services which is over complicated for the customers to understand0 meaning there would have been no need to Max it and reduce the issue of branded buses ending up on the wrong service especially as the are keep in an outstation Also there would have been no need to change the original X1 to X12 Also X26/27 had no reason to be Max as the old quick X27 was dropped when the service reduced from a 15 min to 20 min service
X66 - Middlesbrough - Stockton - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland - Crook
Basically its the old GNE (OK1) which GNE withdrew as a result of Competition from the X1/X66, Never understood why Arriva decided to keep these Routes split to be honest as I think they should be merged.
X94 - Scarborough - Snainton - Pickering - Kirkbymoorside - Helmsley - Thirsk - A19 - Thornaby - Middlesbrough
(29 Jan 2015, 9:45 pm)Malarkey X66 - Middlesbrough - Stockton - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland - Crook
Basically its the old GNE (OK1) which GNE withdrew as a result of Competition from the X1/X66, Never understood why Arriva decided to keep these Routes split to be honest as I think they should be merged.
(29 Jan 2015, 9:45 pm)Malarkey X66 - Middlesbrough - Stockton - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland - Crook
Basically its the old GNE (OK1) which GNE withdrew as a result of Competition from the X1/X66, Never understood why Arriva decided to keep these Routes split to be honest as I think they should be merged.
(29 Jan 2015, 9:55 pm)Jimmi It's basically more like the old X14 which ran from Bishop Auckland to Middlesbrough except the X14 didn't used to serve Stockton and I think it connected to service X4 to Saltburn? The X14 was eventually cut to run between Darlington and Middlesbrough only and additionally serve Stockton then was renumbered to the X66 in 2008.Isnt there a Mileage Limit before needing a Tachograph, wouldnt think you need one between Crook and Middlesbrough.
The route would probably have to be split somewhere to get round the use of tachnos, the morning / evening OK1's were split at Bishop Auckland.
(29 Jan 2015, 9:55 pm)Jimmi It's basically more like the old X14 which ran from Bishop Auckland to Middlesbrough except the X14 didn't used to serve Stockton and I think it connected to service X4 to Saltburn? The X14 was eventually cut to run between Darlington and Middlesbrough only and additionally serve Stockton then was renumbered to the X66 in 2008.Isnt there a Mileage Limit before needing a Tachograph, wouldnt think you need one between Crook and Middlesbrough.
The route would probably have to be split somewhere to get round the use of tachnos, the morning / evening OK1's were split at Bishop Auckland.
(29 Jan 2015, 10:27 pm)Malarkey Isnt there a Mileage Limit before needing a Tachograph, wouldnt think you need one between Crook and Middlesbrough.
(29 Jan 2015, 10:27 pm)Malarkey Isnt there a Mileage Limit before needing a Tachograph, wouldnt think you need one between Crook and Middlesbrough.
(29 Jan 2015, 9:45 pm)Malarkey X66 - Middlesbrough - Stockton - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland - Crook
Basically its the old GNE (OK1) which GNE withdrew as a result of Competition from the X1/X66, Never understood why Arriva decided to keep these Routes split to be honest as I think they should be merged.
X94 - Scarborough - Snainton - Pickering - Kirkbymoorside - Helmsley - Thirsk - A19 - Thornaby - Middlesbrough
(29 Jan 2015, 9:45 pm)Malarkey X66 - Middlesbrough - Stockton - Darlington - Shildon - Bishop Auckland - Crook
Basically its the old GNE (OK1) which GNE withdrew as a result of Competition from the X1/X66, Never understood why Arriva decided to keep these Routes split to be honest as I think they should be merged.
X94 - Scarborough - Snainton - Pickering - Kirkbymoorside - Helmsley - Thirsk - A19 - Thornaby - Middlesbrough
(30 Jan 2015, 7:01 am)Andreos1 Presumably going the long way between Helmsley and Thirsk, due to Sutton Bank?I do vaguely remember reading that discussion somewhere on NEB a while back, Just been looking at Sutton Bank and I reckon the B9TL could go up that without any problems.
There was discussion about Sutton Bank in the not too distant past and whether buses could use it or not.
Not sure what the consensus was to be honest.
(30 Jan 2015, 7:01 am)Andreos1 Presumably going the long way between Helmsley and Thirsk, due to Sutton Bank?I do vaguely remember reading that discussion somewhere on NEB a while back, Just been looking at Sutton Bank and I reckon the B9TL could go up that without any problems.
There was discussion about Sutton Bank in the not too distant past and whether buses could use it or not.
Not sure what the consensus was to be honest.
(30 Jan 2015, 2:55 pm)Malarkey I do vaguely remember reading that discussion somewhere on NEB a while back, Just been looking at Sutton Bank and I reckon the B9TL could go up that without any problems.
(30 Jan 2015, 2:55 pm)Malarkey I do vaguely remember reading that discussion somewhere on NEB a while back, Just been looking at Sutton Bank and I reckon the B9TL could go up that without any problems.
(30 Jan 2015, 3:19 pm)Jimmi Having ridden the new B9TL's on the X93 on Monday they could maybe get up Sutton Bank although you do have to account for the traffic following the bus up there.Well there was the Vosa Cancellation of the X93, So depending on what the crack is there then you could have 6 B9TLs Free.
Problem is though is where would Arriva get some B9TL's from for this service suggestion as sorry for sounding all DaveyBowyer but I think B9TL's may be the only low floor bus that could maybe handle Sutton Bank and if you can't get any it's not worth sending a bus up there as pretty much everything else would probably struggle.
(30 Jan 2015, 3:19 pm)Jimmi Having ridden the new B9TL's on the X93 on Monday they could maybe get up Sutton Bank although you do have to account for the traffic following the bus up there.Well there was the Vosa Cancellation of the X93, So depending on what the crack is there then you could have 6 B9TLs Free.
Problem is though is where would Arriva get some B9TL's from for this service suggestion as sorry for sounding all DaveyBowyer but I think B9TL's may be the only low floor bus that could maybe handle Sutton Bank and if you can't get any it's not worth sending a bus up there as pretty much everything else would probably struggle.
(30 Jan 2015, 3:34 pm)Malarkey Well there was the Vosa Cancellation of the X93, So depending on what the crack is there then you could have 6 B9TLs Free.
In its current form is there any need for the X93 to be Hourly during the Winter/Early Spring, do many people use the Service during this time to travel to Whitby and Scarborough from Middlesbrough, and would it be worth reducing it to Every 2 Hours during this time of Year maybe, Never used the Service before so im thinking outside the box here.
Just thinking here, you could have the X93/X94 running Every 2 Hours, Maintaining the current Hourly Service between Middlesbrough and Scarborough, PVR would then be split to 3 Vehicles each.
(30 Jan 2015, 3:34 pm)Malarkey Well there was the Vosa Cancellation of the X93, So depending on what the crack is there then you could have 6 B9TLs Free.
In its current form is there any need for the X93 to be Hourly during the Winter/Early Spring, do many people use the Service during this time to travel to Whitby and Scarborough from Middlesbrough, and would it be worth reducing it to Every 2 Hours during this time of Year maybe, Never used the Service before so im thinking outside the box here.
Just thinking here, you could have the X93/X94 running Every 2 Hours, Maintaining the current Hourly Service between Middlesbrough and Scarborough, PVR would then be split to 3 Vehicles each.
(30 Jan 2015, 2:55 pm)Malarkey I do vaguely remember reading that discussion somewhere on NEB a while back, Just been looking at Sutton Bank and I reckon the B9TL could go up that without any problems.
(30 Jan 2015, 2:55 pm)Malarkey I do vaguely remember reading that discussion somewhere on NEB a while back, Just been looking at Sutton Bank and I reckon the B9TL could go up that without any problems.
(30 Jan 2015, 3:40 pm)Jimmi I'm not sure what exactly is going on with the X93, today there is a registration between Middlesbrough and Guisborough only.
I'm not entirely sure on the passenger numbers for the X93 in winter as I rarely use this service except usually the odd daytrip in the summer.
Although there probably is still a need for at least an hourly service between Whitby and Scarborough as this is the busier section of the route.
(30 Jan 2015, 3:40 pm)Jimmi I'm not sure what exactly is going on with the X93, today there is a registration between Middlesbrough and Guisborough only.
I'm not entirely sure on the passenger numbers for the X93 in winter as I rarely use this service except usually the odd daytrip in the summer.
Although there probably is still a need for at least an hourly service between Whitby and Scarborough as this is the busier section of the route.
(30 Jan 2015, 4:02 pm)Kuyoyo They are splitting the X93 up to save cost of fitting the summer extras with Tachographs.
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(30 Jan 2015, 4:02 pm)Kuyoyo They are splitting the X93 up to save cost of fitting the summer extras with Tachographs.
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