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G-CPTN



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08 Jun 2014, 4:56 pm #41
(08 Jun 2014, 4:28 pm)aureolin I find it extremely concerning that Arriva would send a vehicle elsewhere, which has been refused by another depot, because of the mechanical state of the vehicle. I think the HSE would be just as concerned.


You'd argue that knowledge should be in head office.

I don't think it's as simple as that - I have known transport depots where the drivers have had the final say as to whether a vehicle was acceptable.

You might think that was unhealthy, but drivers have standards - and if those are allowed to slip then who knows what rubbish would be fended off onto the depot?

One transport manager said that his drivers would break the interior door handle resulting in an unsafe exit possibility if the vehicle didn't match up to their standards elsewhere.
G-CPTN
08 Jun 2014, 4:56 pm #41

(08 Jun 2014, 4:28 pm)aureolin I find it extremely concerning that Arriva would send a vehicle elsewhere, which has been refused by another depot, because of the mechanical state of the vehicle. I think the HSE would be just as concerned.


You'd argue that knowledge should be in head office.

I don't think it's as simple as that - I have known transport depots where the drivers have had the final say as to whether a vehicle was acceptable.

You might think that was unhealthy, but drivers have standards - and if those are allowed to slip then who knows what rubbish would be fended off onto the depot?

One transport manager said that his drivers would break the interior door handle resulting in an unsafe exit possibility if the vehicle didn't match up to their standards elsewhere.

Dan

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08 Jun 2014, 5:00 pm #42
(08 Jun 2014, 4:32 pm)Kuyoyo Depots - One overall Manager, and an engineering manager
Head Office - 3 separate management teams (Commercial, Marketing and Engineering)

The engineering manager at Darlington should have informed the engineering management team in Head Office and informed them in advance that one of their vehicles which was due to move to another depot was under repair. Head Office could have then made the decision as to the action that should be taken.

It shouldn't be at the discretion of a depot to accept or turn away a specific vehicle. Accepting it obviously would have caused problems for Belmont (hence obvious rejection), and rejecting it means that they've gone against management (completely understand aureolin and citaro5284 from that perspective).

As an outsider (with little knowledge) looking in, it seems to me like Darlo may have been hoping they could palm it off onto Belmont so they could fix it instead.
Dan
08 Jun 2014, 5:00 pm #42

(08 Jun 2014, 4:32 pm)Kuyoyo Depots - One overall Manager, and an engineering manager
Head Office - 3 separate management teams (Commercial, Marketing and Engineering)

The engineering manager at Darlington should have informed the engineering management team in Head Office and informed them in advance that one of their vehicles which was due to move to another depot was under repair. Head Office could have then made the decision as to the action that should be taken.

It shouldn't be at the discretion of a depot to accept or turn away a specific vehicle. Accepting it obviously would have caused problems for Belmont (hence obvious rejection), and rejecting it means that they've gone against management (completely understand aureolin and citaro5284 from that perspective).

As an outsider (with little knowledge) looking in, it seems to me like Darlo may have been hoping they could palm it off onto Belmont so they could fix it instead.

citaro5284



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08 Jun 2014, 5:22 pm #43
(08 Jun 2014, 4:32 pm)Kuyoyo Head Office - 3 separate management teams (Commercial, Marketing and Engineering)

No Operations or Payroll Management at Head Office Tony??
citaro5284
08 Jun 2014, 5:22 pm #43

(08 Jun 2014, 4:32 pm)Kuyoyo Head Office - 3 separate management teams (Commercial, Marketing and Engineering)

No Operations or Payroll Management at Head Office Tony??

Kuyoyo



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08 Jun 2014, 5:26 pm #44
(08 Jun 2014, 5:22 pm)citaro5284 No Operations or Payroll Management at Head Office Tony??

If Operations are in charge of driver duty management, then they are located at Stockton depot.
Edited 08 Jun 2014, 5:26 pm by Kuyoyo.
Kuyoyo
08 Jun 2014, 5:26 pm #44

(08 Jun 2014, 5:22 pm)citaro5284 No Operations or Payroll Management at Head Office Tony??

If Operations are in charge of driver duty management, then they are located at Stockton depot.

Adrian

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08 Jun 2014, 6:08 pm #45
(08 Jun 2014, 4:56 pm)G-CPTN I don't think it's as simple as that - I have known transport depots where the drivers have had the final say as to whether a vehicle was acceptable.

You might think that was unhealthy, but drivers have standards - and if those are allowed to slip then who knows what rubbish would be fended off onto the depot?

One transport manager said that his drivers would break the interior door handle resulting in an unsafe exit possibility if the vehicle didn't match up to their standards elsewhere.

I can completely understand a driver not wanting to drive a mechanically unfit vehicle, and I'd strongly urge them not to if I had any say. It's up to Arriva as a company to ensure that their engineering teams are maintaining vehicles to an acceptable standard in the first place. It doesn't matter if you have 4 depots or 50. You're part of one company and it should be fixed.

Drivers dictating to management what they're going and not going to do though is unhealthy, and shows a lack of organisational discipline. As for drivers deliberately vandalising company property... well... I thought we left that sort of thing in school?
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08 Jun 2014, 6:08 pm #45

(08 Jun 2014, 4:56 pm)G-CPTN I don't think it's as simple as that - I have known transport depots where the drivers have had the final say as to whether a vehicle was acceptable.

You might think that was unhealthy, but drivers have standards - and if those are allowed to slip then who knows what rubbish would be fended off onto the depot?

One transport manager said that his drivers would break the interior door handle resulting in an unsafe exit possibility if the vehicle didn't match up to their standards elsewhere.

I can completely understand a driver not wanting to drive a mechanically unfit vehicle, and I'd strongly urge them not to if I had any say. It's up to Arriva as a company to ensure that their engineering teams are maintaining vehicles to an acceptable standard in the first place. It doesn't matter if you have 4 depots or 50. You're part of one company and it should be fixed.

Drivers dictating to management what they're going and not going to do though is unhealthy, and shows a lack of organisational discipline. As for drivers deliberately vandalising company property... well... I thought we left that sort of thing in school?

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08 Jun 2014, 7:17 pm #46
Has 1500 moved to Ashington, just there's a photo on Flickr of it operating the X18?
Edited 08 Jun 2014, 7:17 pm by mb134.
mb134
08 Jun 2014, 7:17 pm #46

Has 1500 moved to Ashington, just there's a photo on Flickr of it operating the X18?

Kuyoyo



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08 Jun 2014, 7:22 pm #47
(08 Jun 2014, 7:17 pm)mb134 Has 1500 moved to Ashington, just there's a photo on Flickr of it operating the X18?

Can you actually link to the photo instead of just mentioning it!
Kuyoyo
08 Jun 2014, 7:22 pm #47

(08 Jun 2014, 7:17 pm)mb134 Has 1500 moved to Ashington, just there's a photo on Flickr of it operating the X18?

Can you actually link to the photo instead of just mentioning it!

mb134



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08 Jun 2014, 7:25 pm #48
(08 Jun 2014, 7:22 pm)Kuyoyo Can you actually link to the photo instead of just mentioning it!
Sorry Smile yeah here it is:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/bazza1990/14186838869/
mb134
08 Jun 2014, 7:25 pm #48

(08 Jun 2014, 7:22 pm)Kuyoyo Can you actually link to the photo instead of just mentioning it!
Sorry Smile yeah here it is:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/bazza1990/14186838869/

Roland Pratt



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09 Jun 2014, 5:01 pm #49
(08 Jun 2014, 3:59 pm)aureolin I find it baffling how a depot of a company can refuse an incoming transfer. Who's running the company? The head office or the individual depots?

Totally agree!
Roland Pratt
09 Jun 2014, 5:01 pm #49

(08 Jun 2014, 3:59 pm)aureolin I find it baffling how a depot of a company can refuse an incoming transfer. Who's running the company? The head office or the individual depots?

Totally agree!

Roland Pratt



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09 Jun 2014, 5:07 pm #50
(08 Jun 2014, 4:21 pm)citaro5284 Which is wrong. If Head Office says you are to take a bus, the depot shouldn take it.

The depot dictating what vehicles they want (or do not want) is totally unacceptable.


SHOULD you mean?!
Roland Pratt
09 Jun 2014, 5:07 pm #50

(08 Jun 2014, 4:21 pm)citaro5284 Which is wrong. If Head Office says you are to take a bus, the depot shouldn take it.

The depot dictating what vehicles they want (or do not want) is totally unacceptable.


SHOULD you mean?!

citaro5284



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09 Jun 2014, 5:11 pm #51
(09 Jun 2014, 5:07 pm)Roland Pratt SHOULD you mean?!

Aye, I do......
citaro5284
09 Jun 2014, 5:11 pm #51

(09 Jun 2014, 5:07 pm)Roland Pratt SHOULD you mean?!

Aye, I do......

Roland Pratt



509
09 Jun 2014, 5:20 pm #52
(08 Jun 2014, 7:25 pm)mb134 Sorry Smile yeah here it is:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/bazza1990/14186838869/

No need to apologise. I'm sure we could all imagine what 1500 looks like with X18 on the front without seeing a photo!
Roland Pratt
09 Jun 2014, 5:20 pm #52

(08 Jun 2014, 7:25 pm)mb134 Sorry Smile yeah here it is:
https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/bazza1990/14186838869/

No need to apologise. I'm sure we could all imagine what 1500 looks like with X18 on the front without seeing a photo!

tyresmoke



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10 Jun 2014, 10:29 am #53
If anyone wants a photo, the first Max Gemini to return, 7611, is in service today on X10/X11

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tyresmoke
10 Jun 2014, 10:29 am #53

If anyone wants a photo, the first Max Gemini to return, 7611, is in service today on X10/X11

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10 Jun 2014, 1:49 pm #54
(10 Jun 2014, 10:29 am)tyresmoke If anyone wants a photo, the first Max Gemini to return, 7611, is in service today on X10/X11

I seen one of them leaving Haymarket earlier, Sapphire like colours?
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northern156
10 Jun 2014, 1:49 pm #54

(10 Jun 2014, 10:29 am)tyresmoke If anyone wants a photo, the first Max Gemini to return, 7611, is in service today on X10/X11

I seen one of them leaving Haymarket earlier, Sapphire like colours?

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Kuyoyo



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10 Jun 2014, 3:43 pm #55
(10 Jun 2014, 10:29 am)tyresmoke If anyone wants a photo, the first Max Gemini to return, 7611, is in service today on X10/X11

As seen here (photo @ Matt Williamson)
Kuyoyo
10 Jun 2014, 3:43 pm #55

(10 Jun 2014, 10:29 am)tyresmoke If anyone wants a photo, the first Max Gemini to return, 7611, is in service today on X10/X11

As seen here (photo @ Matt Williamson)

Wellsey18



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10 Jun 2014, 3:53 pm #56
Wonder how long till its allocated on the 308 ?
Wellsey18
10 Jun 2014, 3:53 pm #56

Wonder how long till its allocated on the 308 ?

Andreos1



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10 Jun 2014, 4:03 pm #57
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nCB-YjxJRZ...Nuz4D9Bbxw

Ashington Depot Opening.

ANE seem to be really pushing their social media presence at the mo.
First Frankenbus and now youtube vids!
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 Jun 2014, 4:03 pm #57

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nCB-YjxJRZ...Nuz4D9Bbxw

Ashington Depot Opening.

ANE seem to be really pushing their social media presence at the mo.
First Frankenbus and now youtube vids!

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

L469 YVK



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10 Jun 2014, 5:38 pm #58
(10 Jun 2014, 3:53 pm)Wellsey18 Wonder how long till its allocated on the 308 ?

Hahaha, It's on it heading uptowards Newcastle from Chilli Road @18:37!
L469 YVK
10 Jun 2014, 5:38 pm #58

(10 Jun 2014, 3:53 pm)Wellsey18 Wonder how long till its allocated on the 308 ?

Hahaha, It's on it heading uptowards Newcastle from Chilli Road @18:37!

Roland Pratt



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10 Jun 2014, 5:41 pm #59
(10 Jun 2014, 1:49 pm)northern156 I seen one of them leaving Haymarket earlier, Sapphire like colours?

So not holding them back for a big launch then?!
Roland Pratt
10 Jun 2014, 5:41 pm #59

(10 Jun 2014, 1:49 pm)northern156 I seen one of them leaving Haymarket earlier, Sapphire like colours?

So not holding them back for a big launch then?!

mb134



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10 Jun 2014, 5:44 pm #60
Will the MAX vehicles recieve some kind of route sub-branding?
mb134
10 Jun 2014, 5:44 pm #60

Will the MAX vehicles recieve some kind of route sub-branding?

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