(02 Aug 2014, 8:17 am)G-CPTN The problem with the 685 for GNE would be running beyond Hexham with no support (which, to be fair is also a problem for Arriva).
In some ways it would be easier for GNE having a depot at Hexham, but they would need space for the extra vehicles (though maybe they would reduce the frequency from 3 per hour between Hexham and Newcastle - including X84/X85 - back to two per hour with one per hour running to/from Carlisle) - ie just run the '685' between Hexham and Carlisle.
More likely that Stagecoach would operate 685 (only between Carlisle and Hexham)?
(02 Aug 2014, 8:17 am)G-CPTN The problem with the 685 for GNE would be running beyond Hexham with no support (which, to be fair is also a problem for Arriva).
In some ways it would be easier for GNE having a depot at Hexham, but they would need space for the extra vehicles (though maybe they would reduce the frequency from 3 per hour between Hexham and Newcastle - including X84/X85 - back to two per hour with one per hour running to/from Carlisle) - ie just run the '685' between Hexham and Carlisle.
More likely that Stagecoach would operate 685 (only between Carlisle and Hexham)?
(02 Aug 2014, 8:17 am)G-CPTN The problem with the 685 for GNE would be running beyond Hexham with no support (which, to be fair is also a problem for Arriva).
In some ways it would be easier for GNE having a depot at Hexham, but they would need space for the extra vehicles (though maybe they would reduce the frequency from 3 per hour between Hexham and Newcastle - including X84/X85 - back to two per hour with one per hour running to/from Carlisle) - ie just run the '685' between Hexham and Carlisle.
More likely that Stagecoach would operate 685 (only between Carlisle and Hexham)?
(02 Aug 2014, 8:28 am)Andreos Constantopolous There is also the lack of connections within Carlisle.
Not an issue when singles are attractive, but when the entire network is built around day tickets, a passenger from the suburbs of Carlisle could end up with two day tickets for a trip to the bright lights of Tyneside.
Ditto, a visitor from Tyneside, heading west.
(02 Aug 2014, 8:17 am)G-CPTN The problem with the 685 for GNE would be running beyond Hexham with no support (which, to be fair is also a problem for Arriva).
In some ways it would be easier for GNE having a depot at Hexham, but they would need space for the extra vehicles (though maybe they would reduce the frequency from 3 per hour between Hexham and Newcastle - including X84/X85 - back to two per hour with one per hour running to/from Carlisle) - ie just run the '685' between Hexham and Carlisle.
More likely that Stagecoach would operate 685 (only between Carlisle and Hexham)?
(02 Aug 2014, 8:28 am)Andreos Constantopolous There is also the lack of connections within Carlisle.
Not an issue when singles are attractive, but when the entire network is built around day tickets, a passenger from the suburbs of Carlisle could end up with two day tickets for a trip to the bright lights of Tyneside.
Ditto, a visitor from Tyneside, heading west.
(02 Aug 2014, 8:40 am)Dan Go North East would face the same problems as Arriva North East does at the moment too, you're right.
The difference would be the fact that they have a depot in Hexham. I'm not sure how many more vehicles Hexham can facilitate, but I have no doubt that work (such as the TENs) could be moved to Riverside, with the 685 moving to Hexham quite easily.
I'd imagine they'd split it too - Newcastle to Hexham being one stretch, then allowing any through passengers to get on the Hexham to Carlisle bus. Hopefully there'd be a 10 minute connection or something to either the X84 or X85, so wouldn't end up being too bad.
The singles on service 685 (at present) aren't particularly attractive either, and ANE doesn't have any connections within Carlisle.
(02 Aug 2014, 8:40 am)Dan Go North East would face the same problems as Arriva North East does at the moment too, you're right.
The difference would be the fact that they have a depot in Hexham. I'm not sure how many more vehicles Hexham can facilitate, but I have no doubt that work (such as the TENs) could be moved to Riverside, with the 685 moving to Hexham quite easily.
I'd imagine they'd split it too - Newcastle to Hexham being one stretch, then allowing any through passengers to get on the Hexham to Carlisle bus. Hopefully there'd be a 10 minute connection or something to either the X84 or X85, so wouldn't end up being too bad.
The singles on service 685 (at present) aren't particularly attractive either, and ANE doesn't have any connections within Carlisle.
Why buy it when they're more than capable of taking it off them anyway through direct competition? I'd be surprised if there was not some legal issues with purchasing a set of services in a deregulated market, because really, the payment is just for agreement that they won't run in competition to you...
(02 Aug 2014, 9:10 am)aureolin Why buy it when they're more than capable of taking it off them anyway through direct competition?I would think that the value would be little more than the cost of the vehicles.
(02 Aug 2014, 9:10 am)aureolin Why buy it when they're more than capable of taking it off them anyway through direct competition?I would think that the value would be little more than the cost of the vehicles.
(02 Aug 2014, 9:36 am)G-CPTN I would think that the value would be little more than the cost of the vehicles.Doubt drivers would even be involved, if Hexham had to lose work to bring the 685 in - would just be Riverside taking on extra work.
Arriva could easily redeploy these within their network and GNE would want their own livery so the value of the vehicles is minimal I would have thought.
The original Arriva/GNE deal involved the transfer of depots at Ashington and Hexham (as well as some 602 service double deckers?).
Any 685 deal would have very little in the way of assets - maybe some drivers?
(02 Aug 2014, 9:36 am)G-CPTN I would think that the value would be little more than the cost of the vehicles.Doubt drivers would even be involved, if Hexham had to lose work to bring the 685 in - would just be Riverside taking on extra work.
Arriva could easily redeploy these within their network and GNE would want their own livery so the value of the vehicles is minimal I would have thought.
The original Arriva/GNE deal involved the transfer of depots at Ashington and Hexham (as well as some 602 service double deckers?).
Any 685 deal would have very little in the way of assets - maybe some drivers?
(31 Jul 2014, 7:54 pm)tyresmoke 3 extra buses to be allocated to Darlington will be former demonstrator MAN Ecocities which have been purchased. These would appear to be:
- WX61FXO (which we had on demonstration at Darlington previously!),
- WX61HSL (which was used at Go North East)
- WX13GHN, a newer one
I am told these should be allocated to service 21 Darlington - Peterlee, which would be an upgrade on the Solos currently used on there. They should take up fleet numbers 4812-14
(31 Jul 2014, 7:54 pm)tyresmoke 3 extra buses to be allocated to Darlington will be former demonstrator MAN Ecocities which have been purchased. These would appear to be:
- WX61FXO (which we had on demonstration at Darlington previously!),
- WX61HSL (which was used at Go North East)
- WX13GHN, a newer one
I am told these should be allocated to service 21 Darlington - Peterlee, which would be an upgrade on the Solos currently used on there. They should take up fleet numbers 4812-14
Do Arriva Managers ever drive their buses? I ask as I know some GNE managers do and Stagecoach do (you can tell them by the white shirts).
Would be a great opportunity for them to get a feel for things. I bet alot have never driven a bus before.
(02 Aug 2014, 3:02 pm)VolvoMarkII Do Arriva Managers ever drive their buses? I ask as I know some GNE managers do and Stagecoach do (you can tell them by the white shirts).
Would be a great opportunity for them to get a feel for things. I bet alot have never driven a bus before.
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(02 Aug 2014, 3:02 pm)VolvoMarkII Do Arriva Managers ever drive their buses? I ask as I know some GNE managers do and Stagecoach do (you can tell them by the white shirts).
Would be a great opportunity for them to get a feel for things. I bet alot have never driven a bus before.
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(02 Aug 2014, 4:28 pm)BUSFAN I am sure i saw a Solo this week at 17.50 coming into Crook with Stanhope via Lanchester on the blind can anyone confirm this.
(02 Aug 2014, 4:28 pm)BUSFAN I am sure i saw a Solo this week at 17.50 coming into Crook with Stanhope via Lanchester on the blind can anyone confirm this.
(02 Aug 2014, 4:28 pm)BUSFAN I am sure i saw a Solo this week at 17.50 coming into Crook with Stanhope via Lanchester on the blind can anyone confirm this.
(02 Aug 2014, 4:51 pm)BUSFAN Cheers i thought it was strange but do Arriva still run up to Stanhope on Schooldays or did that service not last long.
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(02 Aug 2014, 4:51 pm)BUSFAN Cheers i thought it was strange but do Arriva still run up to Stanhope on Schooldays or did that service not last long.
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(02 Aug 2014, 4:51 pm)BUSFAN Cheers i thought it was strange but do Arriva still run up to Stanhope on Schooldays or did that service not last long.
(02 Aug 2014, 4:51 pm)BUSFAN Cheers i thought it was strange but do Arriva still run up to Stanhope on Schooldays or did that service not last long.
