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Michael

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17 Nov 2015, 2:49 pm #341

I heard a rumour that the X21 will get new buses with an increase to every 20 minutes....

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Michael

17 Nov 2015, 2:49 pm #341

I heard a rumour that the X21 will get new buses with an increase to every 20 minutes....

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

R852 PRG

4,721

17 Nov 2015, 2:55 pm #342

(17 Nov 2015, 2:49 pm)Michael I heard a rumour that the X21 will get new buses with an increase to every 20 minutes....

Take it with a pinch of salt.

bazaba

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R852 PRG

17 Nov 2015, 2:55 pm #342

(17 Nov 2015, 2:49 pm)Michael I heard a rumour that the X21 will get new buses with an increase to every 20 minutes....

Take it with a pinch of salt.

bazaba

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Michael

19,178

17 Nov 2015, 2:59 pm #343

(17 Nov 2015, 2:55 pm)R852 PRG Take it with a pinch of salt.

Don't worry, i did, Wink

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

17 Nov 2015, 2:59 pm #343

(17 Nov 2015, 2:55 pm)R852 PRG Take it with a pinch of salt.

Don't worry, i did, Wink

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Jimmi

10,977

17 Nov 2015, 3:02 pm #344

(17 Nov 2015, 2:49 pm)Michael I heard a rumour that the X21 will get new buses with an increase to every 20 minutes....

That has been rumoured for about the last two years, the rumour also said it would use the Citaro's off the 309/310 which of course didn't happen.

Would be nice if the X21 was incresed to 20 minute operation although if it is, hopefully it would still be double decker operated.

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Jimmi

17 Nov 2015, 3:02 pm #344

(17 Nov 2015, 2:49 pm)Michael I heard a rumour that the X21 will get new buses with an increase to every 20 minutes....

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R852 PRG

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17 Nov 2015, 3:36 pm #345

(17 Nov 2015, 3:02 pm)Jimmi That has been rumoured for about the last two years, the rumour also said it would use the Citaro's off the 309/310 which of course didn't happen.

Would be nice if the X21 was incresed to 20 minute operation although if it is, hopefully it would still be double decker operated.

Personally, I think a 20-minute freqency is best on the Durham-Newcastle stretch of the route, but I think the current 30 minute frequency on the Durham-Bishop Auckland section of the route should stay as it is.

bazaba

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R852 PRG

17 Nov 2015, 3:36 pm #345

(17 Nov 2015, 3:02 pm)Jimmi That has been rumoured for about the last two years, the rumour also said it would use the Citaro's off the 309/310 which of course didn't happen.

Would be nice if the X21 was incresed to 20 minute operation although if it is, hopefully it would still be double decker operated.

bazaba

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~~DanPicken~~

Banned

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17 Nov 2015, 3:57 pm #346

(17 Nov 2015, 11:58 am)Diamond One Least the 9 will have something decent now am sure Tom will agree with me same applies for him for 17/17A and it solves the mystery of which vehicles are not going to DDA Complinment that may also answer Michael question about them

They are DDA compliant.

DanPicken

17 Nov 2015, 3:57 pm #346

(17 Nov 2015, 11:58 am)Diamond One Least the 9 will have something decent now am sure Tom will agree with me same applies for him for 17/17A and it solves the mystery of which vehicles are not going to DDA Complinment that may also answer Michael question about them

They are DDA compliant.

~~DanPicken~~

Banned

2,177

17 Nov 2015, 4:03 pm #347

(17 Nov 2015, 12:30 pm)Diamond One Here we go again them won't happen the red arrows batch are only getting a refresh of red repaint that's all then rebranded once all have been done

And then there's you idea that the 27 will get double deckers.

DanPicken

17 Nov 2015, 4:03 pm #347

(17 Nov 2015, 12:30 pm)Diamond One Here we go again them won't happen the red arrows batch are only getting a refresh of red repaint that's all then rebranded once all have been done

And then there's you idea that the 27 will get double deckers.

Michael

19,178

17 Nov 2015, 4:06 pm #348

(17 Nov 2015, 3:57 pm)DanPicken They are DDA compliant.

I don't they are - i think out of the duel door B10, its the ones on the FAB 57 that are going DDA.... of course this may change but i don't think it will because the ones on the FAB 57 will replace some of the 1999 ones.

Edited 17 Nov 2015, 4:07 pm by Michael.

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Michael

17 Nov 2015, 4:06 pm #348

(17 Nov 2015, 3:57 pm)DanPicken They are DDA compliant.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

~~DanPicken~~

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17 Nov 2015, 4:09 pm #349

(17 Nov 2015, 4:06 pm)Michael I don't they are - i think out of the duel door B10, its the ones on the FAB 57 that are going DDA.... of course this may change but i don't think it will because the ones on the FAB 57 will replace some of the 1999 ones.

I've rode most if them and if you sit at the front you can notice them go up when the doors close.

DanPicken

17 Nov 2015, 4:09 pm #349

(17 Nov 2015, 4:06 pm)Michael I don't they are - i think out of the duel door B10, its the ones on the FAB 57 that are going DDA.... of course this may change but i don't think it will because the ones on the FAB 57 will replace some of the 1999 ones.

I've rode most if them and if you sit at the front you can notice them go up when the doors close.

Michael

19,178

17 Nov 2015, 4:12 pm #350

(17 Nov 2015, 4:09 pm)DanPicken I've rode most if them and if you sit at the front you can notice them go up when the doors close.

I don't get what you mean sorry?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

17 Nov 2015, 4:12 pm #350

(17 Nov 2015, 4:09 pm)DanPicken I've rode most if them and if you sit at the front you can notice them go up when the doors close.

I don't get what you mean sorry?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

S813 FVK

6,030

17 Nov 2015, 4:33 pm #351

(17 Nov 2015, 3:02 pm)Jimmi That has been rumoured for about the last two years, the rumour also said it would use the Citaro's off the 309/310 which of course didn't happen.

Would be nice if the X21 was incresed to 20 minute operation although if it is, hopefully it would still be double decker operated.

But was originally planned for that to happen.

S813 FVK

17 Nov 2015, 4:33 pm #351

(17 Nov 2015, 3:02 pm)Jimmi That has been rumoured for about the last two years, the rumour also said it would use the Citaro's off the 309/310 which of course didn't happen.

Would be nice if the X21 was incresed to 20 minute operation although if it is, hopefully it would still be double decker operated.

But was originally planned for that to happen.

L469 YVK

3,557

17 Nov 2015, 4:43 pm #352

(17 Nov 2015, 2:15 pm)Diamond One I heard they were changes from a customer service advisor yesterday but he didn't say which one is getting it for January the south Tyneside ones need updating and Davey always says about Gemini cascades when they won't happen it will be last year when citaros from Blaydon Racers were getting a refresh

The Blaydon Racers is a totally different kettle of fish to the Red Arrows. The Red Arrows is one of GNE's main money makers. This coupled with:

- Could do with a brand update from the NSA's and perhaps (which is nothing wrong with) the livery.

- The B9s were ordered before (with the exception of the 21 and 47), plug sockets became standard on most decker routes.

- B9s are proven and reliable.

- Unless Streetdecks were ordered for the Pronto and the alleged fuel savings outweiged the purchase cost, then new vehicles aren't fully justified on the X21. However, due to the significant revenue generated by the X1, the purchase and running costs of a 'ROBUST' double decker such as the E400MMC (ADL / ADL and Cummins or ADL / Scania) could be justified.

- The E400MMC has been taken to like a duck to water by many operators and the classic version (Euro 5) has already been sampled on the X1 whilst covering for a long term VOR.

Edited 17 Nov 2015, 4:44 pm by L469 YVK.

L469 YVK

17 Nov 2015, 4:43 pm #352

(17 Nov 2015, 2:15 pm)Diamond One I heard they were changes from a customer service advisor yesterday but he didn't say which one is getting it for January the south Tyneside ones need updating and Davey always says about Gemini cascades when they won't happen it will be last year when citaros from Blaydon Racers were getting a refresh

~~Davie~~

Banned

2,783

17 Nov 2015, 5:20 pm #353

I forgot to post this yesterday, but it looked like 6071's rear blind wasn't working, the front and side blinds were working fine.

Davie

17 Nov 2015, 5:20 pm #353

I forgot to post this yesterday, but it looked like 6071's rear blind wasn't working, the front and side blinds were working fine.

South Tyne Lad

1,777

17 Nov 2015, 5:39 pm #354

(17 Nov 2015, 4:43 pm)DaveyBowyer The Blaydon Racers is a totally different kettle of fish to the Red Arrows. The Red Arrows is one of GNE's main money makers. This coupled with:

- Could do with a brand update from the NSA's and perhaps (which is nothing wrong with) the livery.

- The B9s were ordered before (with the exception of the 21 and 47), plug sockets became standard on most decker routes.

- B9s are proven and reliable.

- Unless Streetdecks were ordered for the Pronto and the alleged fuel savings outweiged the purchase cost, then new vehicles aren't fully justified on the X21. However, due to the significant revenue generated by the X1, the purchase and running costs of a 'ROBUST' double decker such as the E400MMC (ADL / ADL and Cummins or ADL / Scania) could be justified.

- The E400MMC has been taken to like a duck to water by many operators and the classic version (Euro 5) has already been sampled on the X1 whilst covering for a long term VOR.

Even though Volvos are outstanding Performance, presumably mechanically wise and a pleasure to ride on, I cant say that Volvo have excited the market with the B5TL like the B9TL did.
Even though last year people quoted that it was sluggish on the X21, I have to say Volvo have significantly improved with their production examples, with a Lothian Airlink example performing very well on both fast and slow sections of route 100 with only one gearbox slipup on route and the Gemini 3 bodywork is a work of art to go with it.
ADL have done a smart move in keeping the same 6 Cylinder Cummins ISB in their E400 MMC, proven, robust ( Cant say the same for Euro 4s! ) and suitable for all types of terrain that is why NXWM have favoured them for inner city routes aswell as Johnsons for their express X20 from Statford Uopn Avon to Birmingham.
Unfortunately as much as I love Volvo and the quality that goes In them, I cant see any new Volvos on the streets of the North East for a long time coming unfortunately, ADL have won this battle.

South Tyne Lad

17 Nov 2015, 5:39 pm #354

(17 Nov 2015, 4:43 pm)DaveyBowyer The Blaydon Racers is a totally different kettle of fish to the Red Arrows. The Red Arrows is one of GNE's main money makers. This coupled with:

- Could do with a brand update from the NSA's and perhaps (which is nothing wrong with) the livery.

- The B9s were ordered before (with the exception of the 21 and 47), plug sockets became standard on most decker routes.

- B9s are proven and reliable.

- Unless Streetdecks were ordered for the Pronto and the alleged fuel savings outweiged the purchase cost, then new vehicles aren't fully justified on the X21. However, due to the significant revenue generated by the X1, the purchase and running costs of a 'ROBUST' double decker such as the E400MMC (ADL / ADL and Cummins or ADL / Scania) could be justified.

- The E400MMC has been taken to like a duck to water by many operators and the classic version (Euro 5) has already been sampled on the X1 whilst covering for a long term VOR.

Dan

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17 Nov 2015, 5:44 pm #355

(17 Nov 2015, 5:39 pm)South Tyne Lad Unfortunately as much as I love Volvo and the quality that goes In them, I cant see any new Volvos on the streets of the North East for a long time coming unfortunately, ADL have won this battle.

The rest of the Go-Ahead Group seem to have favoured the integral Wright StreetDeck - perhaps neither ADL nor Volvo have 'won this battle'..?

Dan

17 Nov 2015, 5:44 pm #355

(17 Nov 2015, 5:39 pm)South Tyne Lad Unfortunately as much as I love Volvo and the quality that goes In them, I cant see any new Volvos on the streets of the North East for a long time coming unfortunately, ADL have won this battle.

The rest of the Go-Ahead Group seem to have favoured the integral Wright StreetDeck - perhaps neither ADL nor Volvo have 'won this battle'..?

R852 PRG

4,721

17 Nov 2015, 5:45 pm #356

(17 Nov 2015, 5:44 pm)Dan The rest of the Go-Ahead Group seem to have favoured the integral Wright StreetDeck - perhaps neither ADL nor Volvo have 'won this battle'..?

bazaba

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R852 PRG

17 Nov 2015, 5:45 pm #356

(17 Nov 2015, 5:44 pm)Dan The rest of the Go-Ahead Group seem to have favoured the integral Wright StreetDeck - perhaps neither ADL nor Volvo have 'won this battle'..?

bazaba

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Michael

19,178

17 Nov 2015, 5:50 pm #357

(17 Nov 2015, 5:44 pm)Dan The rest of the Go-Ahead Group seem to have favoured the integral Wright StreetDeck - perhaps neither ADL nor Volvo have 'won this battle'..?

I can't say if the StreetDeck is good or not as i haven't been on it yet... lol

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

17 Nov 2015, 5:50 pm #357

(17 Nov 2015, 5:44 pm)Dan The rest of the Go-Ahead Group seem to have favoured the integral Wright StreetDeck - perhaps neither ADL nor Volvo have 'won this battle'..?

I can't say if the StreetDeck is good or not as i haven't been on it yet... lol

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

South Tyne Lad

1,777

17 Nov 2015, 5:51 pm #358

(17 Nov 2015, 5:50 pm)Michael I can't say if the StreetDeck is good or not as i haven't been on it yet... lol

We can all tell you straight away its not lol

South Tyne Lad

17 Nov 2015, 5:51 pm #358

(17 Nov 2015, 5:50 pm)Michael I can't say if the StreetDeck is good or not as i haven't been on it yet... lol

We can all tell you straight away its not lol

Michael

19,178

17 Nov 2015, 5:52 pm #359

(17 Nov 2015, 5:51 pm)South Tyne Lad We can all tell you straight away its not lol

Haha, i'll have to try and have a ride before it goes else where...

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

17 Nov 2015, 5:52 pm #359

(17 Nov 2015, 5:51 pm)South Tyne Lad We can all tell you straight away its not lol

Haha, i'll have to try and have a ride before it goes else where...

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

South Tyne Lad

1,777

17 Nov 2015, 5:55 pm #360

(17 Nov 2015, 5:44 pm)Dan The rest of the Go-Ahead Group seem to have favoured the integral Wright StreetDeck - perhaps neither ADL nor Volvo have 'won this battle'..?

Though yes Go-Ahead have favoured the Streetdeck, There have been a few mistakes made by Brighton And Hove replacing Omnidekkas with Streetdecks with them reportedly severely struggling up hills on the south coast which can be seen by a quick search on YouTube. This type of roads are very common in the north east so should be considered after the Brighton and Hove kafuffle that Streetdecks are a no go for GNE

South Tyne Lad

17 Nov 2015, 5:55 pm #360

(17 Nov 2015, 5:44 pm)Dan The rest of the Go-Ahead Group seem to have favoured the integral Wright StreetDeck - perhaps neither ADL nor Volvo have 'won this battle'..?

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