Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(22 Sep 2020, 2:54 pm)Drifter60 I’m not really understanding the reasoning behind renumbering the X6/X7? They’re still much faster than other GNE services on all sections of the route.Take away the ‘X’ then you lose that appeal of it being a much quicker service compared to local routes. In my view the X6/X7 are what XLINES is all about, faster buses connecting the major centres of Sunderland, Seaham & Peterlee. In Peterlee, they’re limited stop still, in Seaham they now serve all stops after Byron Place, but they aren’t exactly major or well used bus stops, quite the opposite in fact and that was only as very easy painless way to compensate for the loss of the 238.
- Sunderland-Seaham, 15 mins on X6/X7 vs 29 mins on 60
- Sunderland-Peterlee, 35 mins on X6 or 30 mins on X7 vs 56 mins on 55
- Peterlee-Seaham, 20 mins on X6 or 15 mins on X7 vs 48 mins on 202
- Dalton Park-Seaham, 8 mins on X6 vs 15 mins on 202/265
- Dalton Park-Sunderland, 24 mins on X6 vs 27 mins on 61 daytime route.
The only change I’d make to the services is to have it half hourly through Dalton Park especially as it’s standalone now so there’s lots of layover in the timetable?
(22 Sep 2020, 2:54 pm)Drifter60 I’m not really understanding the reasoning behind renumbering the X6/X7? They’re still much faster than other GNE services on all sections of the route.Take away the ‘X’ then you lose that appeal of it being a much quicker service compared to local routes. In my view the X6/X7 are what XLINES is all about, faster buses connecting the major centres of Sunderland, Seaham & Peterlee. In Peterlee, they’re limited stop still, in Seaham they now serve all stops after Byron Place, but they aren’t exactly major or well used bus stops, quite the opposite in fact and that was only as very easy painless way to compensate for the loss of the 238.
- Sunderland-Seaham, 15 mins on X6/X7 vs 29 mins on 60
- Sunderland-Peterlee, 35 mins on X6 or 30 mins on X7 vs 56 mins on 55
- Peterlee-Seaham, 20 mins on X6 or 15 mins on X7 vs 48 mins on 202
- Dalton Park-Seaham, 8 mins on X6 vs 15 mins on 202/265
- Dalton Park-Sunderland, 24 mins on X6 vs 27 mins on 61 daytime route.
The only change I’d make to the services is to have it half hourly through Dalton Park especially as it’s standalone now so there’s lots of layover in the timetable?
(22 Sep 2020, 5:02 pm)cbma06 X6/X7 or all stops in Peterlee
X6/X7 are not part of the xlines brand anymore.
Should extend the 60 to shields ( been done before) to replace the 20 between Sunderland and shields.
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(22 Sep 2020, 5:02 pm)cbma06 X6/X7 or all stops in Peterlee
X6/X7 are not part of the xlines brand anymore.
Should extend the 60 to shields ( been done before) to replace the 20 between Sunderland and shields.
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(22 Sep 2020, 5:15 pm)Drifter60 Apologies, I thought they were still limited stop in Peterlee but even then that’s just Little Thorpe & Essington Way, so not a great deal of stops.
My point, X6/X7 should be XLINES in my opinion and allocations now seem to be XLINES solos again (bustimes today)
I do think the 60 to South Shields is a good idea. Fits with Drifter nicely and would save the 20 being quite a long route.
(22 Sep 2020, 5:15 pm)Drifter60 Apologies, I thought they were still limited stop in Peterlee but even then that’s just Little Thorpe & Essington Way, so not a great deal of stops.
My point, X6/X7 should be XLINES in my opinion and allocations now seem to be XLINES solos again (bustimes today)
I do think the 60 to South Shields is a good idea. Fits with Drifter nicely and would save the 20 being quite a long route.
(22 Sep 2020, 5:15 pm)Drifter60 Apologies, I thought they were still limited stop in Peterlee but even then that’s just Little Thorpe & Essington Way, so not a great deal of stops.
My point, X6/X7 should be XLINES in my opinion and allocations now seem to be XLINES solos again (bustimes today)
I do think the 60 to South Shields is a good idea. Fits with Drifter nicely and would save the 20 being quite a long route.
(22 Sep 2020, 5:15 pm)Drifter60 Apologies, I thought they were still limited stop in Peterlee but even then that’s just Little Thorpe & Essington Way, so not a great deal of stops.
My point, X6/X7 should be XLINES in my opinion and allocations now seem to be XLINES solos again (bustimes today)
I do think the 60 to South Shields is a good idea. Fits with Drifter nicely and would save the 20 being quite a long route.
(22 Sep 2020, 6:07 pm)Dan The X-lines Solos which were used on service X6/X7 were taken off as service X20 was extended to Langley Park.
The X20 is now being operated by larger vehicles (the former Red Kite Streetlite) temporarily, to allow better social distancing. Obviously this is a short-term measure, as social distancing won't be with us forever (hopefully not, anyway!)
This means that Deptford have two spare Solo (the others have transferred out), which should be used on the staff shuttle. Clearly they have gone on walkabout onto the X6/X7.
(22 Sep 2020, 6:07 pm)Dan The X-lines Solos which were used on service X6/X7 were taken off as service X20 was extended to Langley Park.
The X20 is now being operated by larger vehicles (the former Red Kite Streetlite) temporarily, to allow better social distancing. Obviously this is a short-term measure, as social distancing won't be with us forever (hopefully not, anyway!)
This means that Deptford have two spare Solo (the others have transferred out), which should be used on the staff shuttle. Clearly they have gone on walkabout onto the X6/X7.
(23 Sep 2020, 5:50 am)Dan Yes, that’s been the case since the service changes in June.
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(23 Sep 2020, 5:50 am)Dan Yes, that’s been the case since the service changes in June.
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(23 Sep 2020, 8:08 am)streetdeckfan Is there a plan for the X6/X7 to go back to X-Lines in the future once things are a bit more certain, or are they going to be left as corporate like the X22
(23 Sep 2020, 8:08 am)streetdeckfan Is there a plan for the X6/X7 to go back to X-Lines in the future once things are a bit more certain, or are they going to be left as corporate like the X22
(23 Sep 2020, 8:34 am)big mac Social distancing and covid aside, is the X20 not well used enough to warrant full sized single deckers?
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(23 Sep 2020, 8:34 am)big mac Social distancing and covid aside, is the X20 not well used enough to warrant full sized single deckers?
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(23 Sep 2020, 9:48 am)Andreos1 From experience, the Eastern section of the route is. Haven't been beyond Durham on the western portion.Although the frequency from Durham to Langley Park has doubled since the X20 replaced the 14. Maybe they think a 30 frequency with Optare Solo buses on this section is enough, but not sure about Durham to Sunderland.
To be honest, it surprised me when the frequency and capacity was reduced from the days of the purple streetlites.
3942 is one of the vehicles allocated to the X20 today.
(23 Sep 2020, 9:48 am)Andreos1 From experience, the Eastern section of the route is. Haven't been beyond Durham on the western portion.Although the frequency from Durham to Langley Park has doubled since the X20 replaced the 14. Maybe they think a 30 frequency with Optare Solo buses on this section is enough, but not sure about Durham to Sunderland.
To be honest, it surprised me when the frequency and capacity was reduced from the days of the purple streetlites.
3942 is one of the vehicles allocated to the X20 today.
(23 Sep 2020, 10:56 am)big mac Although the frequency from Durham to Langley Park has doubled since the X20 replaced the 14. Maybe they think a 30 frequency with Optare Solo buses on this section is enough, but not sure about Durham to Sunderland.Wasnt the 14 allocated a decker sometimes as well or have i got wrong
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(23 Sep 2020, 10:56 am)big mac Although the frequency from Durham to Langley Park has doubled since the X20 replaced the 14. Maybe they think a 30 frequency with Optare Solo buses on this section is enough, but not sure about Durham to Sunderland.Wasnt the 14 allocated a decker sometimes as well or have i got wrong
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(23 Sep 2020, 1:27 pm)ASX_Terranova Wasnt the 14 allocated a decker sometimes as well or have i got wrongIt was a mixture of doubles and singles that appeared on it but there were double deckers on the 14 fairly often. It used to interwork with the x22.
(23 Sep 2020, 1:27 pm)ASX_Terranova Wasnt the 14 allocated a decker sometimes as well or have i got wrongIt was a mixture of doubles and singles that appeared on it but there were double deckers on the 14 fairly often. It used to interwork with the x22.
(23 Sep 2020, 5:50 am)Dan Yes, that’s been the case since the service changes in June.
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(23 Sep 2020, 5:50 am)Dan Yes, that’s been the case since the service changes in June.
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(23 Sep 2020, 10:56 am)big mac Although the frequency from Durham to Langley Park has doubled since the X20 replaced the 14. Maybe they think a 30 frequency with Optare Solo buses on this section is enough, but not sure about Durham to Sunderland.
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(23 Sep 2020, 10:56 am)big mac Although the frequency from Durham to Langley Park has doubled since the X20 replaced the 14. Maybe they think a 30 frequency with Optare Solo buses on this section is enough, but not sure about Durham to Sunderland.
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(23 Sep 2020, 10:56 am)big mac Although the frequency from Durham to Langley Park has doubled since the X20 replaced the 14. Maybe they think a 30 frequency with Optare Solo buses on this section is enough, but not sure about Durham to Sunderland.
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(23 Sep 2020, 10:56 am)big mac Although the frequency from Durham to Langley Park has doubled since the X20 replaced the 14. Maybe they think a 30 frequency with Optare Solo buses on this section is enough, but not sure about Durham to Sunderland.
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(23 Sep 2020, 5:37 pm)Storx The capacity from Durham to Langley Park has decreased just saying, the 13 used to be every 30 minutes (now hourly) all operated by full size buses.Seeing as you mention the 13 I think it's only a matter of time before that service gets withdrawn altogether. There's alternatives to it on a lot of the route e.g. the 16 and 16a between Sacriston and Durham and the X20 between Langley Park and Sacriston to Durham. The way they are reducing of it and not having it start until after 9 in the morning on the Westbound journeys makes it looks like they want to phase it out eventually.
(23 Sep 2020, 5:37 pm)Storx The capacity from Durham to Langley Park has decreased just saying, the 13 used to be every 30 minutes (now hourly) all operated by full size buses.Seeing as you mention the 13 I think it's only a matter of time before that service gets withdrawn altogether. There's alternatives to it on a lot of the route e.g. the 16 and 16a between Sacriston and Durham and the X20 between Langley Park and Sacriston to Durham. The way they are reducing of it and not having it start until after 9 in the morning on the Westbound journeys makes it looks like they want to phase it out eventually.
(23 Sep 2020, 5:59 pm)big mac Seeing as you mention the 13 I think it's only a matter of time before that service gets withdrawn altogether. There's alternatives to it on a lot of the route e.g. the 16 and 16a between Sacriston and Durham and the X20 between Langley Park and Sacriston to Durham. The way they are reducing of it and not having it start until after 9 in the morning on the Westbound journeys makes it looks like they want to phase it out eventually.
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(23 Sep 2020, 5:59 pm)big mac Seeing as you mention the 13 I think it's only a matter of time before that service gets withdrawn altogether. There's alternatives to it on a lot of the route e.g. the 16 and 16a between Sacriston and Durham and the X20 between Langley Park and Sacriston to Durham. The way they are reducing of it and not having it start until after 9 in the morning on the Westbound journeys makes it looks like they want to phase it out eventually.
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Think the main reason for allocations of larger single deckers and doubles was for school/peak time loadings more than anything and of course interworking with the X22 and later service 25 got added to the mix. Can see Solos being a suitable fit to the off peak service at least.
Personally, since the 11 only go's as far as Wallsend i'd swap the 11 and 41, have the 11 do the old 17 route through Rosehill and Holy Cross (Simonside Terrace Edward Road/Savory Road) during the day then via Archer Street in the Evening,then the 41 can continue its 1 way circular of Howdon but instead head straight down Churchill Street (although my previous suggestion of the 40/41 still stands), i'd also possibly re-number the 11 to 43 and the 19 to 44 to show that theyre all part of the same brand
