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02 Jul 2021, 10:36 am #1,421
(01 Jul 2021, 5:10 pm)MurdnunoC Here are two maps of Washington from 1989 and 1993 respectively.

Are these roadmaps taken from an old Washington timetable? I thought I remembered the old 177/8 serving the whole of Washington during that time. I had asked a while ago on the bygone era if someone had a timetable for these services and someone kindly uploaded one but I think it was quite a while before this. Also don't seem to remember the 298/9??? If you have any timetables would is be possible for you to upload them please when you get the time? No worries if not.

Thanks
Washingtonian
02 Jul 2021, 10:36 am #1,421

(01 Jul 2021, 5:10 pm)MurdnunoC Here are two maps of Washington from 1989 and 1993 respectively.

Are these roadmaps taken from an old Washington timetable? I thought I remembered the old 177/8 serving the whole of Washington during that time. I had asked a while ago on the bygone era if someone had a timetable for these services and someone kindly uploaded one but I think it was quite a while before this. Also don't seem to remember the 298/9??? If you have any timetables would is be possible for you to upload them please when you get the time? No worries if not.

Thanks

02 Jul 2021, 4:53 pm #1,422
New Suggestion X9/X10 to Serve Washington Galleries. Given the fact it can be diverted through washington if high A19 congestion it wouldnt add much time on.

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ASX_Terranova
02 Jul 2021, 4:53 pm #1,422

New Suggestion X9/X10 to Serve Washington Galleries. Given the fact it can be diverted through washington if high A19 congestion it wouldnt add much time on.


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02 Jul 2021, 4:55 pm #1,423
(02 Jul 2021, 4:53 pm)ASX_Terranova New Suggestion X9/X10 to Serve Washington Galleries. Given the fact it can be diverted through washington if high A19 congestion it wouldnt add much time on.
And where do the customers who use Testos Roundabout bus stop go for their bus
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02 Jul 2021, 4:55 pm #1,423

(02 Jul 2021, 4:53 pm)ASX_Terranova New Suggestion X9/X10 to Serve Washington Galleries. Given the fact it can be diverted through washington if high A19 congestion it wouldnt add much time on.
And where do the customers who use Testos Roundabout bus stop go for their bus

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02 Jul 2021, 5:22 pm #1,424
(02 Jul 2021, 4:55 pm)ifm001 And where do the customers who use Testos Roundabout bus stop go for their bus
X24 & X34
GNE6312
02 Jul 2021, 5:22 pm #1,424

(02 Jul 2021, 4:55 pm)ifm001 And where do the customers who use Testos Roundabout bus stop go for their bus
X24 & X34

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02 Jul 2021, 5:24 pm #1,425
(02 Jul 2021, 5:22 pm)GNE6312 X24 & X34
Neither of those stop at Testos, nor do they run late at night or on Sundays .  Fair enough X34 stops at Boldon but the X24 stops either side are Gateshead or Chester Road. Hell of a walk.
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02 Jul 2021, 5:24 pm #1,425

(02 Jul 2021, 5:22 pm)GNE6312 X24 & X34
Neither of those stop at Testos, nor do they run late at night or on Sundays .  Fair enough X34 stops at Boldon but the X24 stops either side are Gateshead or Chester Road. Hell of a walk.

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02 Jul 2021, 5:46 pm #1,426
(02 Jul 2021, 5:24 pm)ifm001 Neither of those stop at Testos, nor do they run late at night or on Sundays .  Fair enough X34 stops at Boldon but the X24 stops either side are Gateshead or Chester Road. Hell of a walk.
Never knew they didn't serve testos always just presumed they did.
GNE6312
02 Jul 2021, 5:46 pm #1,426

(02 Jul 2021, 5:24 pm)ifm001 Neither of those stop at Testos, nor do they run late at night or on Sundays .  Fair enough X34 stops at Boldon but the X24 stops either side are Gateshead or Chester Road. Hell of a walk.
Never knew they didn't serve testos always just presumed they did.

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02 Jul 2021, 6:14 pm #1,427
(02 Jul 2021, 4:53 pm)ASX_Terranova New Suggestion X9/X10 to Serve Washington Galleries. Given the fact it can be diverted through washington if high A19 congestion it wouldnt add much time on.

You've got the 4 running to Heworth every 12 minutes, so ample opportunity to connect with the X9/X10 there.
The X1 is timed at 36 minutes during the day Washington to Newcastle, and the X11 on an evening takes 32 minutes, so I'd suggest there'd be no benefit in adding the X9/X10 to the existing X1 links.

The only realistic benefit would be a link to Dalton Park, but I don't really think it's a regular shopping pattern for Washington, so not sure how much use it would get.

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02 Jul 2021, 6:14 pm #1,427

(02 Jul 2021, 4:53 pm)ASX_Terranova New Suggestion X9/X10 to Serve Washington Galleries. Given the fact it can be diverted through washington if high A19 congestion it wouldnt add much time on.

You've got the 4 running to Heworth every 12 minutes, so ample opportunity to connect with the X9/X10 there.
The X1 is timed at 36 minutes during the day Washington to Newcastle, and the X11 on an evening takes 32 minutes, so I'd suggest there'd be no benefit in adding the X9/X10 to the existing X1 links.

The only realistic benefit would be a link to Dalton Park, but I don't really think it's a regular shopping pattern for Washington, so not sure how much use it would get.


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02 Jul 2021, 10:15 pm #1,428
Return fares are possible on Little Pinks. The ticket machines give options for Heworth, Concord etc to be set even if the service in theory terminates at The Galleries. In theory, if someone purchased a return on the 82 from Birtley to Heworth, they'd be able to change to the next 84 at The Galleries and continue their journey. In reality, the journey isn't the quickest so the majority would use the 82 into Birtley then change to a 21 to get to Gateshead which off the top of my head would be quicker to connect to the Metro at Gateshead.

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6049
02 Jul 2021, 10:15 pm #1,428

Return fares are possible on Little Pinks. The ticket machines give options for Heworth, Concord etc to be set even if the service in theory terminates at The Galleries. In theory, if someone purchased a return on the 82 from Birtley to Heworth, they'd be able to change to the next 84 at The Galleries and continue their journey. In reality, the journey isn't the quickest so the majority would use the 82 into Birtley then change to a 21 to get to Gateshead which off the top of my head would be quicker to connect to the Metro at Gateshead.

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03 Jul 2021, 8:00 am #1,429
(02 Jul 2021, 4:55 pm)ifm001 And where do the customers who use Testos Roundabout bus stop go for their bus
How many of those customers are there? The Testos stop seems to be very rarely used.

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big mac
03 Jul 2021, 8:00 am #1,429

(02 Jul 2021, 4:55 pm)ifm001 And where do the customers who use Testos Roundabout bus stop go for their bus
How many of those customers are there? The Testos stop seems to be very rarely used.

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03 Jul 2021, 10:52 am #1,430
We need an alt service to the X1 for Washington - Newcastle. Something to allow the X1 to avoid recover from delays and busy services. The service could either go via the Metrocentre or Saltwell Park.

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ASX_Terranova
03 Jul 2021, 10:52 am #1,430

We need an alt service to the X1 for Washington - Newcastle. Something to allow the X1 to avoid recover from delays and busy services. The service could either go via the Metrocentre or Saltwell Park.


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03 Jul 2021, 11:41 am #1,431
(03 Jul 2021, 10:52 am)ASX_Terranova We need an alt service to the X1 for Washington - Newcastle. Something to allow the X1 to avoid recover from delays and busy services. The service could either go via the Metrocentre or Saltwell Park.


Will it just add more time going via metrocentre or saltwell park? , should split the x1 into x1 and x2, x2 doing the old x94 route between Hetton bus station and galleries then non stop to concord then old x95 route to Newcastle , it would give passengers in concord area a faster service to Gateshead/Newcastle?


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03 Jul 2021, 11:41 am #1,431

(03 Jul 2021, 10:52 am)ASX_Terranova We need an alt service to the X1 for Washington - Newcastle. Something to allow the X1 to avoid recover from delays and busy services. The service could either go via the Metrocentre or Saltwell Park.


Will it just add more time going via metrocentre or saltwell park? , should split the x1 into x1 and x2, x2 doing the old x94 route between Hetton bus station and galleries then non stop to concord then old x95 route to Newcastle , it would give passengers in concord area a faster service to Gateshead/Newcastle?


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03 Jul 2021, 11:43 am #1,432
(02 Jul 2021, 10:15 pm)6049 Return fares are possible on Little Pinks. The ticket machines give options for Heworth, Concord etc to be set even if the service in theory terminates at The Galleries. In theory, if someone purchased a return on the 82 from Birtley to Heworth, they'd be able to change to the next 84 at The Galleries and continue their journey. In reality, the journey isn't the quickest so the majority would use the 82 into Birtley then change to a 21 to get to Gateshead which off the top of my head would be quicker to connect to the Metro at Gateshead.

A return portion of a ticket is single use, so the QR code won't work/be valid if you changed at the Galleries to continue your return, or your ticket will be punched, if that still happens. Customer services have previously confirmed to me that it is not a valid option.

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03 Jul 2021, 11:43 am #1,432

(02 Jul 2021, 10:15 pm)6049 Return fares are possible on Little Pinks. The ticket machines give options for Heworth, Concord etc to be set even if the service in theory terminates at The Galleries. In theory, if someone purchased a return on the 82 from Birtley to Heworth, they'd be able to change to the next 84 at The Galleries and continue their journey. In reality, the journey isn't the quickest so the majority would use the 82 into Birtley then change to a 21 to get to Gateshead which off the top of my head would be quicker to connect to the Metro at Gateshead.

A return portion of a ticket is single use, so the QR code won't work/be valid if you changed at the Galleries to continue your return, or your ticket will be punched, if that still happens. Customer services have previously confirmed to me that it is not a valid option.


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03 Jul 2021, 11:46 am #1,433
(03 Jul 2021, 11:43 am)Adrian A return portion of a ticket is single use, so the QR code won't work/be valid if you changed at the Galleries to continue your return, or your ticket will be punched, if that still happens. Customer services have previously confirmed to me that it is not a valid option.
I didnt think there was a need to change buses, I thought the number changed once it got to galleries. Therefore no need to scan return ticket twice
JP6004
03 Jul 2021, 11:46 am #1,433

(03 Jul 2021, 11:43 am)Adrian A return portion of a ticket is single use, so the QR code won't work/be valid if you changed at the Galleries to continue your return, or your ticket will be punched, if that still happens. Customer services have previously confirmed to me that it is not a valid option.
I didnt think there was a need to change buses, I thought the number changed once it got to galleries. Therefore no need to scan return ticket twice

Adrian



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03 Jul 2021, 11:59 am #1,434
(03 Jul 2021, 11:46 am)JP6004 I didnt think there was a need to change buses, I thought the number changed once it got to galleries. Therefore no need to scan return ticket twice

The timetable complicates it.
83 Concord to Washington Galleries, via Barmston Court and Biddick changes to an 81 Washington Galleries to Rickleton
84 Heworth to Washington Galleries, via Washington Village changes to an 82 Washington Galleries to Birtley

However, on the return trip:
81 from Rickleton to Washington Galleries changes to an 84 to Heworth, via Washington Village.
82 from Birtley changes to an 83 to Concord via Barmston Court and Biddick.

81/82/83/84 may share some common parts of the route, e.g. Washington Galleries and Concord but by large they don't. The exception being an evening, where the 81/82 both operate to Birtley, to maintain the 30 minute frequency.

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03 Jul 2021, 11:59 am #1,434

(03 Jul 2021, 11:46 am)JP6004 I didnt think there was a need to change buses, I thought the number changed once it got to galleries. Therefore no need to scan return ticket twice

The timetable complicates it.
83 Concord to Washington Galleries, via Barmston Court and Biddick changes to an 81 Washington Galleries to Rickleton
84 Heworth to Washington Galleries, via Washington Village changes to an 82 Washington Galleries to Birtley

However, on the return trip:
81 from Rickleton to Washington Galleries changes to an 84 to Heworth, via Washington Village.
82 from Birtley changes to an 83 to Concord via Barmston Court and Biddick.

81/82/83/84 may share some common parts of the route, e.g. Washington Galleries and Concord but by large they don't. The exception being an evening, where the 81/82 both operate to Birtley, to maintain the 30 minute frequency.


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03 Jul 2021, 12:56 pm #1,435
(03 Jul 2021, 11:43 am)Adrian A return portion of a ticket is single use, so the QR code won't work/be valid if you changed at the Galleries to continue your return, or your ticket will be punched, if that still happens. Customer services have previously confirmed to me that it is not a valid option.

Do they still not have the loophole where the return QR codes can be scanned unlimited times?
streetdeckfan
03 Jul 2021, 12:56 pm #1,435

(03 Jul 2021, 11:43 am)Adrian A return portion of a ticket is single use, so the QR code won't work/be valid if you changed at the Galleries to continue your return, or your ticket will be punched, if that still happens. Customer services have previously confirmed to me that it is not a valid option.

Do they still not have the loophole where the return QR codes can be scanned unlimited times?

big mac



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03 Jul 2021, 1:10 pm #1,436
(03 Jul 2021, 10:52 am)ASX_Terranova We need an alt service to the X1 for Washington - Newcastle. Something to allow the X1 to avoid recover from delays and busy services. The service could either go via the Metrocentre or Saltwell Park.
How about extending the 4 to Newcastle?

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big mac
03 Jul 2021, 1:10 pm #1,436

(03 Jul 2021, 10:52 am)ASX_Terranova We need an alt service to the X1 for Washington - Newcastle. Something to allow the X1 to avoid recover from delays and busy services. The service could either go via the Metrocentre or Saltwell Park.
How about extending the 4 to Newcastle?

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03 Jul 2021, 1:31 pm #1,437
(03 Jul 2021, 1:10 pm)big mac How about extending the 4 to Newcastle? 

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What would be the point?

The core frequency of the service is every 12 minutes. If extended to Newcastle, it would most likely follow the route of the 27, which has a core frequency of every 15 minutes. To accommodate the former, it is most likely the latter would be withdrawn as people can easily change buses at Heworth onto the most direct route, or alternatively use one of the more indirect routes into Newcastle,  or the Metro.

Plus there is the issue of reliability to consider. I don't know how reliable the 4 is, but you can guarantee it is bound to be less reliable if extended to Newcastle.
MurdnunoC
03 Jul 2021, 1:31 pm #1,437

(03 Jul 2021, 1:10 pm)big mac How about extending the 4 to Newcastle? 

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What would be the point?

The core frequency of the service is every 12 minutes. If extended to Newcastle, it would most likely follow the route of the 27, which has a core frequency of every 15 minutes. To accommodate the former, it is most likely the latter would be withdrawn as people can easily change buses at Heworth onto the most direct route, or alternatively use one of the more indirect routes into Newcastle,  or the Metro.

Plus there is the issue of reliability to consider. I don't know how reliable the 4 is, but you can guarantee it is bound to be less reliable if extended to Newcastle.

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03 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm #1,438
(03 Jul 2021, 1:10 pm)big mac How about extending the 4 to Newcastle? 

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They've tried it a few times in its previous guise as the 194.
As handy as it was, it never seemed to work and it reverted back to terminating at Heworth.
Ditto the 191. That never lasted long either. Although that may have been down to frequency and it shadowing the 194 and 294 for a large portion of the route.

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Andreos1
03 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm #1,438

(03 Jul 2021, 1:10 pm)big mac How about extending the 4 to Newcastle? 

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They've tried it a few times in its previous guise as the 194.
As handy as it was, it never seemed to work and it reverted back to terminating at Heworth.
Ditto the 191. That never lasted long either. Although that may have been down to frequency and it shadowing the 194 and 294 for a large portion of the route.


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big mac



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03 Jul 2021, 1:56 pm #1,439
(03 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm)Andreos1 They've tried it a few times in its previous guise as the 194.
As handy as it was, it never seemed to work and it reverted back to terminating at Heworth.
Ditto the 191. That never lasted long either. Although that may have been down to frequency and it shadowing the 194 and 294 for a large portion of the route.
Did it not work because of reliability issues or not enough passengers?

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big mac
03 Jul 2021, 1:56 pm #1,439

(03 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm)Andreos1 They've tried it a few times in its previous guise as the 194.
As handy as it was, it never seemed to work and it reverted back to terminating at Heworth.
Ditto the 191. That never lasted long either. Although that may have been down to frequency and it shadowing the 194 and 294 for a large portion of the route.
Did it not work because of reliability issues or not enough passengers?

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03 Jul 2021, 2:20 pm #1,440
(03 Jul 2021, 11:41 am)cbma06 Will it just add more time going via metrocentre or saltwell park? , should split the x1 into x1 and x2, x2 doing the old x94 route between Hetton bus station and galleries then non stop to concord then old x95 route to Newcastle , it would give passengers in concord area a faster service to Gateshead/Newcastle?


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If you go via the A1, harlow green, low fell, saltwell park, bensham & redhugh bridge, it takes about the same time as the X1 between the galleries and eldon square. You would also give people a direct bus to central station and saltwell park.
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03 Jul 2021, 2:20 pm #1,440

(03 Jul 2021, 11:41 am)cbma06 Will it just add more time going via metrocentre or saltwell park? , should split the x1 into x1 and x2, x2 doing the old x94 route between Hetton bus station and galleries then non stop to concord then old x95 route to Newcastle , it would give passengers in concord area a faster service to Gateshead/Newcastle?


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If you go via the A1, harlow green, low fell, saltwell park, bensham & redhugh bridge, it takes about the same time as the X1 between the galleries and eldon square. You would also give people a direct bus to central station and saltwell park.

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