Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(15 Oct 2022, 6:36 pm)Storx It was all just hypothetical, I don't really expect them to happen but with the bus partnerships it would be nice and attempt to do something with the subsidised services to actually make them commercial by working together with local bus companies to see what can happen. The 62 and 39B extensions are much better use of services than short services duplicating routes and offering nothing worthwhile.
The Nexus services are just a mangled mess right now and it doesn't help Nexus are funding the evening services for the others mentioned there (41/41A/57A).
Arguably it's better for everyone, less subsidies if they are successful and better routes for the passengers. There's still the 341 and 342 there for Gateshead Taxis to get their hands on as they'll never be profitable.
(15 Oct 2022, 6:36 pm)Storx It was all just hypothetical, I don't really expect them to happen but with the bus partnerships it would be nice and attempt to do something with the subsidised services to actually make them commercial by working together with local bus companies to see what can happen. The 62 and 39B extensions are much better use of services than short services duplicating routes and offering nothing worthwhile.
The Nexus services are just a mangled mess right now and it doesn't help Nexus are funding the evening services for the others mentioned there (41/41A/57A).
Arguably it's better for everyone, less subsidies if they are successful and better routes for the passengers. There's still the 341 and 342 there for Gateshead Taxis to get their hands on as they'll never be profitable.
Operational Information
- Arriva's 306 / 308 now re-timed to depart at xx:15 and xx:45. The changes would take advantage of this whilst still offering convenient journey patterns for employees at Cobalt Business Park.
- Evening journeys from Cobalt Park to Newcastle will mostly depart at xx:09 with journeys to Whitley Bay and Blyth departing at xx:31.
- Evening PVR would remain at 4x vehicles later reducing to 3x vehicles.
- Evening PVR reduced to 2x vehicles later on a Sunday evening with 'sensible' cost savings made due to fewer passengers travelling at this time.
- Extra running time added to evening 309 journeys from Blyth to Newcastle, improving reliability.
- Streamlined service from Newcastle to Hadrian Park with more consistent timings.
- Turnaround point in Whitley Bay for later evening 309 journeys changed from Whitley Bay Cemetery to Whitley Bay Town Centre so timings can be accommodated.
309 journeys from Newcastle to Whitley Bay / Blyth - comparison
Monday to Saturday between 18:00 and end of service
* Current = 6x
* New = 6x
Sundays between 17:30 and end of service
* Current = 6x
* New = 4x
310 journeys from Newcastle to Verne Road / North Shields - comparison
Monday to Saturday between 18:00 and end of service
* Current = 8x
* New = 8x
Sundays between 17:30 and end of service
* Current = 8x
* New = 7x
Passenger Information
Service 309:
- Most evening journeys re-timed to provide improved convenience around shift patterns at Cobalt Business Park.
- Later journeys from Newcastle and Cobalt to Blyth during Monday to Saturday evenings until after 2100 with other later journeys from Newcastle and Cobalt to Whitley Bay Town Centre until after 2300.
- Unfortunately due to low usage, the last journey on a Sunday evening from Newcastle to Whitley Bay Town Centre will now depart at 2113.
Service 310:
- Most evening journeys re-timed to provide more convenience for passengers travelling from Newcastle. The last journey from Newcastle to Hadrian Park and Verne Road on Monday to Saturday evenings will depart at a later time of 2343. The last journey from Newcastle to Hadrian Park and Verne Road on Sunday evenings will depart at an earlier time of 2313.
- Unfortunately due to low usage, the section of route from Norham Road North towards Newcastle will be reduced to a two-hourly service on Sundays after 2000. All other sections of route including journeys from Newcastle to Hadrian Park and North Shields will continue to remain hourly on Sunday evenings.
Service 311:
- All journeys from Newcastle to Hadrian Park after 2000 (1900 on Sundays) will be provided by service 310.
I keep tinkering with suggestions for Washington Long Distance & Locals.
New Service 80
Newcastle, Team Valley, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton (Cambrian Way), Washington Galleries, Biddick (Parkway), Fallowfield Way, Shiney Row, Success, Fence Houses, Rainton Bridge, Hetton Park, Easington Lane.
New Service 80A
Newcastle, Team Valley, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton (Cambrian Way), Washington Galleries, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Barmston (Waskerley Road), Peel Retail Park, Waterview Park, Cherry Blossom Way, Sulgrave (Station Road), Concord.
New Service 86
Washington Galleries, Glebe, Barmston (Village Centre), Peel Retail Park, Waterview Park, Pallion, Royal Hospital, Sunderland.
New Service 87
Heworth, Fewster Square, Springwell Village, Blackfell (Knoulberry Road), Oxclose, The Galleries, Biddick, Fallowfield Way, Barnwell.
New Service 88
Heworth, Wardley, High Usworth, Donwell (Bus Link & London Avenue), Albany (Moorway), The Galleries, Harraton, Rickleton.
New Service 89
Chester-Le-Street, Ayton, Lambton (Village Centre), Washington Galleries, Monkton Lane, Hebburn, Jarrow, Tyne Dock, South Tyneside Hospital, Chichester, South Shields.
(10 Oct 2022, 2:53 pm)streetdeckfan If I'm going into Newcastle, 99% of the time I'm taking the bus. It's too much of a faff figuring out which roads you're allowed down this week!Sniperly is usually quiet but Belmont is well used. That might change when several hundred new houses get built at Sniperly.
Which P&R did you use, we usually use Howlands or Sniperly. Howlands seems to get a lot of use by the students
(10 Oct 2022, 2:53 pm)streetdeckfan If I'm going into Newcastle, 99% of the time I'm taking the bus. It's too much of a faff figuring out which roads you're allowed down this week!Sniperly is usually quiet but Belmont is well used. That might change when several hundred new houses get built at Sniperly.
Which P&R did you use, we usually use Howlands or Sniperly. Howlands seems to get a lot of use by the students
Probably the most interesting idea I've ever done but....
59: Lukes Lane - Monkton Lane - Heworth - Furrowfield Estate - Carr Hill Road - Gateshead Stadium - Baltic - Quayside (Law Courts) - Newcastle.
(04 Nov 2022, 8:30 am)Rob44 I was under the impress the NCC said No to any more buses using the swing bridge on the quay side? Was a while back so thing might have changed since then
(04 Nov 2022, 8:30 am)Rob44 I was under the impress the NCC said No to any more buses using the swing bridge on the quay side? Was a while back so thing might have changed since then
Wouldn't be surprised if the Swing Bridge had a weight restriction put on it soon. It's sank quite a lot within the past year.
Not sure how people would feel about this,
X5 - Durham - Devels Lane - Consett - Shotley Bridge
X15 - Durham - Devels Lane - Consett - Castleside
47 - Newcastle - Metrocentre - Blackhall Mill - Consett - Shotley Bridge
47 - Newcastle - Metrocentre - Blackhall Mill - Consett - Castleside
It would give Shotley Bridge/Castleside half hourly services to Durham & Newcastle, and there would be every 30 mins services from Consett to either Castleside/Shotley Bridge
New Service Ideas for East Gateshead
G1: Felling Square, Q.E Hospital (Hopefully Into the Hospiital Grounds), Kells Lane, Dryden Road, Gateshead Interchange, Derwentwater Road, Racecourse Estate.
G2: Allerdene, Saltwell Park, Alexandra Road, Gateshead Interchange, Askew Road, Tyne View School, Forge Road, Ravensworth Road
Would be operated with a 4 wheel steering bus, to allow for a better turning circle.
Would have Wi-Fi, NSA, USB and approx 20-25 seats.
PVR of G1 = 2
PVR of G2 = 3
Total PVR = 5
Probably a daft suggestion this one.
If GNE's driver numbers eventually recover but Arriva are still struggling, would extending the 58 north of Newcastle to Cramlington to plug the 43/44/45 gap not be an option? Could create a combined frequency through Gosforth with the Q3.
(10 Nov 2022, 3:27 pm)L469 YVK Probably a daft suggestion this one.Could potentially do something with the 57 aswell
If GNE's driver numbers eventually recover but Arriva are still struggling, would extending the 58 north of Newcastle to Cramlington to plug the 43/44/45 gap not be an option? Could create a combined frequency through Gosforth with the Q3.
(10 Nov 2022, 3:27 pm)L469 YVK Probably a daft suggestion this one.Could potentially do something with the 57 aswell
If GNE's driver numbers eventually recover but Arriva are still struggling, would extending the 58 north of Newcastle to Cramlington to plug the 43/44/45 gap not be an option? Could create a combined frequency through Gosforth with the Q3.
(10 Nov 2022, 3:27 pm)L469 YVK Probably a daft suggestion this one.And they've got Euro 6 G2's coming from London which are the exact same spec bar the Interior Moquette
If GNE's driver numbers eventually recover but Arriva are still struggling, would extending the 58 north of Newcastle to Cramlington to plug the 43/44/45 gap not be an option? Could create a combined frequency through Gosforth with the Q3.
(10 Nov 2022, 3:27 pm)L469 YVK Probably a daft suggestion this one.And they've got Euro 6 G2's coming from London which are the exact same spec bar the Interior Moquette
If GNE's driver numbers eventually recover but Arriva are still struggling, would extending the 58 north of Newcastle to Cramlington to plug the 43/44/45 gap not be an option? Could create a combined frequency through Gosforth with the Q3.
or they could work together and provide driver's for a cost like they have done with the 6 and 7 in Durham for a bit.
Mindless competition is just pathetic. You could make the exact same case on the 21.
Why not extend the 7 to compensate for the 21 issues. Then you've got a bus war all over again.
Not to mention Stagecoach won't be happy either with their 30/31 either having mindless competition.
X30 extended to Consett, this would allow the X45 to go Standalone which is desperately needed.
X30 Newcastle - X31 Stanley - X31 Newcastle - X30 Consett.
Increase X45 to every 20 mins, it will still interwork with the X30, however using 3 StreetDecks which would make that part of the service Standalone, giving it around 20 mins layover either end to make up any delayed time.
This would leave a PVR 4 so if an X56 was going to be tempted you could make up the PVR 5 with 6331/2.
(12 Nov 2022, 3:09 pm)Unber43 X30 extended to Consett, this would allow the X45 to go Standalone which is desperately needed.
X30 Newcastle - X31 Stanley - X31 Newcastle - X30 Consett.
Increase X45 to every 20 mins, it will still interwork with the X30, however using 3 StreetDecks which would make that part of the service Standalone, giving it around 20 mins layover either end to make up any delayed time.
This would leave a PVR 4 so if an X56 was going to be tempted you could make up the PVR 5 with 6331/2.
(12 Nov 2022, 3:09 pm)Unber43 X30 extended to Consett, this would allow the X45 to go Standalone which is desperately needed.
X30 Newcastle - X31 Stanley - X31 Newcastle - X30 Consett.
Increase X45 to every 20 mins, it will still interwork with the X30, however using 3 StreetDecks which would make that part of the service Standalone, giving it around 20 mins layover either end to make up any delayed time.
This would leave a PVR 4 so if an X56 was going to be tempted you could make up the PVR 5 with 6331/2.
(12 Nov 2022, 4:23 pm)Dan This feels like an incredibly costly solution to a reliability problem.Not forgetting if StreetDecks were used on the X30/X31, they'd be converted to 'StreetLites' haha!
If the X45 is impacting on the reliability of the X30/X31, then the cheapest and most cost-effective solution would be to terminante the X45 at Consett Bus Station. That saves c.20 minutes, which could be used for layover (15 min to be split between both ends of the route) and extra running time (no more than 5 min).
(12 Nov 2022, 4:23 pm)Dan This feels like an incredibly costly solution to a reliability problem.Not forgetting if StreetDecks were used on the X30/X31, they'd be converted to 'StreetLites' haha!
If the X45 is impacting on the reliability of the X30/X31, then the cheapest and most cost-effective solution would be to terminante the X45 at Consett Bus Station. That saves c.20 minutes, which could be used for layover (15 min to be split between both ends of the route) and extra running time (no more than 5 min).
