Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(12 Nov 2022, 4:23 pm)Dan This feels like an incredibly costly solution to a reliability problem.Also it seem the X45 have been using the swing bridge coming into Newcastle this afternoon which is a great idea as it seems to save some time.
If the X45 is impacting on the reliability of the X30/X31, then the cheapest and most cost-effective solution would be to terminante the X45 at Consett Bus Station. That saves c.20 minutes, which could be used for layover (15 min to be split between both ends of the route) and extra running time (no more than 5 min).
(12 Nov 2022, 4:23 pm)Dan This feels like an incredibly costly solution to a reliability problem.Also it seem the X45 have been using the swing bridge coming into Newcastle this afternoon which is a great idea as it seems to save some time.
If the X45 is impacting on the reliability of the X30/X31, then the cheapest and most cost-effective solution would be to terminante the X45 at Consett Bus Station. That saves c.20 minutes, which could be used for layover (15 min to be split between both ends of the route) and extra running time (no more than 5 min).
(12 Nov 2022, 4:55 pm)Unber43 There was an X72 arrived into newcastle 20 mins late, then went NIS even tho X71 has like a 40 mins in Consett.
(12 Nov 2022, 4:55 pm)Unber43 There was an X72 arrived into newcastle 20 mins late, then went NIS even tho X71 has like a 40 mins in Consett.
Taking engineering into account and given that the 6 is now operated by Consett meaning remote reliefs at Lanchester and probably Stanley, would it not make sense to have the X30/X31 standalone using 6338-40 with 6336 & 6337 as Consett's 'low height' spares?
And then with other interworking patterns changed or made standalone, move 6341-51 to Riverside?
What that would mean is if all of 6341-55 were generic 'X-Lines', rather than 6352-55 getting a daily hammering on the X10, it could be spread out more evenly on a 4 day rolling rota:
- 8x X21 >> this could give the option to increase back to 9x with the long layover re-introduced
- 4x X10
Day 1 X10 - 6341-44
Day 2 X10 - 6345-48
Day 3 X10 - 6349-52
Day 4 X10 - 6353-55 & 6341
(13 Nov 2022, 11:00 am)L469 YVK Taking engineering into account and given that the 6 is now operated by Consett meaning remote reliefs at Lanchester and probably Stanley, would it not make sense to have the X30/X31 standalone using 6338-40 with 6336 & 6337 as Consett's 'low height' spares?
And then with other interworking patterns changed or made standalone, move 6341-51 to Riverside?
What that would mean is if all of 6341-55 were generic 'X-Lines', rather than 6352-55 getting a daily hammering on the X10, it could be spread out more evenly on a 4 day rolling rota:
- 8x X21 >> this could give the option to increase back to 9x with the long layover re-introduced
- 4x X10
Day 1 X10 - 6341-44
Day 2 X10 - 6345-48
Day 3 X10 - 6349-52
Day 4 X10 - 6353-55 & 6341
(13 Nov 2022, 11:00 am)L469 YVK Taking engineering into account and given that the 6 is now operated by Consett meaning remote reliefs at Lanchester and probably Stanley, would it not make sense to have the X30/X31 standalone using 6338-40 with 6336 & 6337 as Consett's 'low height' spares?
And then with other interworking patterns changed or made standalone, move 6341-51 to Riverside?
What that would mean is if all of 6341-55 were generic 'X-Lines', rather than 6352-55 getting a daily hammering on the X10, it could be spread out more evenly on a 4 day rolling rota:
- 8x X21 >> this could give the option to increase back to 9x with the long layover re-introduced
- 4x X10
Day 1 X10 - 6341-44
Day 2 X10 - 6345-48
Day 3 X10 - 6349-52
Day 4 X10 - 6353-55 & 6341
(13 Nov 2022, 10:05 pm)lxbical 6337 isn't low height I believe, what would happen with x45/71/72 unless you are suggesting they also move to Riverside
(13 Nov 2022, 10:05 pm)lxbical 6337 isn't low height I believe, what would happen with x45/71/72 unless you are suggesting they also move to Riverside
(20 Oct 2022, 3:06 pm)V514DFT I was thinking last night, would there be any sense in doing thisNo.
1-revised to operate Gateshead-North Shields
310- revised to operate Newcastle- Whitley Bay via North Shields effectively swapping with the 1
(20 Oct 2022, 3:06 pm)V514DFT I was thinking last night, would there be any sense in doing thisNo.
1-revised to operate Gateshead-North Shields
310- revised to operate Newcastle- Whitley Bay via North Shields effectively swapping with the 1
X9 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Hartlepool - Billingham - Middlesbrough (it woueld not go to Stockton)
Only reason I suggest this is because the X10 is currently going via Hartlepool due to the closure of the A19, and it seems to be adding 10 mins onto to the journey, so roughly 20 mins during the day time, this could potentially help GNE get back into hartlepool offereing a link that many dont have who wouldn't use the train.
(15 Nov 2022, 11:17 pm)Unber43 X9 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Hartlepool - Billingham - Middlesbrough (it woueld not go to Stockton)
Only reason I suggest this is because the X10 is currently going via Hartlepool due to the closure of the A19, and it seems to be adding 10 mins onto to the journey, so roughly 20 mins during the day time, this could potentially help GNE get back into hartlepool offereing a link that many dont have who wouldn't use the train.
(15 Nov 2022, 11:17 pm)Unber43 X9 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Hartlepool - Billingham - Middlesbrough (it woueld not go to Stockton)
Only reason I suggest this is because the X10 is currently going via Hartlepool due to the closure of the A19, and it seems to be adding 10 mins onto to the journey, so roughly 20 mins during the day time, this could potentially help GNE get back into hartlepool offereing a link that many dont have who wouldn't use the train.
Stagecoach ran a X55 service between Hartlepool and Newcastle about 5 years ago using a coach, pretty much your suggestion without Peterlee. Lasted a few months.
(15 Nov 2022, 11:17 pm)Unber43 X9 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Hartlepool - Billingham - Middlesbrough (it woueld not go to Stockton)
Only reason I suggest this is because the X10 is currently going via Hartlepool due to the closure of the A19, and it seems to be adding 10 mins onto to the journey, so roughly 20 mins during the day time, this could potentially help GNE get back into hartlepool offereing a link that many dont have who wouldn't use the train.
(15 Nov 2022, 11:17 pm)Unber43 X9 - Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Dalton Park - Peterlee - Hartlepool - Billingham - Middlesbrough (it woueld not go to Stockton)
Only reason I suggest this is because the X10 is currently going via Hartlepool due to the closure of the A19, and it seems to be adding 10 mins onto to the journey, so roughly 20 mins during the day time, this could potentially help GNE get back into hartlepool offereing a link that many dont have who wouldn't use the train.
(16 Nov 2022, 10:40 am)Storx If you're going to do that might aswell terminate it at Hartlepool, running this https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.75974...a4!1m0!3e0No point trotting the same route as the 23/24, better out of Peterlee, A19 to Castle Eden, A19 to Elwick and in via High Tunstall
and running limited stop Peterlee - Horden Aldi - Blackhall Co-op - Crimdon Dene - Army Reserve Centre (Hartlepool, there's currently no bus service here - for hospital) - Powlett Road, May Street (Hartlepool, there's currently no bus service here) - ASDA / National Museum of the Royal Navy (Hartlepool) - Hartlepool and that's it.
Every Hour - Mon to Sat
Every 2 Hours - Sunday (extend Peterlee shorts)
Newcastle - Peterlee is the busiest part of the route so trying 30 minutes with maybe a few extra punters picked up from beyond there might make it sustainable. The part from Hartlepool to Middlesbrough is just competing against Stagecoach and is too long winded from Peterlee so pointless.
(16 Nov 2022, 10:40 am)Storx If you're going to do that might aswell terminate it at Hartlepool, running this https://www.google.com/maps/dir/54.75974...a4!1m0!3e0No point trotting the same route as the 23/24, better out of Peterlee, A19 to Castle Eden, A19 to Elwick and in via High Tunstall
and running limited stop Peterlee - Horden Aldi - Blackhall Co-op - Crimdon Dene - Army Reserve Centre (Hartlepool, there's currently no bus service here - for hospital) - Powlett Road, May Street (Hartlepool, there's currently no bus service here) - ASDA / National Museum of the Royal Navy (Hartlepool) - Hartlepool and that's it.
Every Hour - Mon to Sat
Every 2 Hours - Sunday (extend Peterlee shorts)
Newcastle - Peterlee is the busiest part of the route so trying 30 minutes with maybe a few extra punters picked up from beyond there might make it sustainable. The part from Hartlepool to Middlesbrough is just competing against Stagecoach and is too long winded from Peterlee so pointless.
(16 Nov 2022, 12:24 pm)54APhotography No point trotting the same route as the 23/24, better out of Peterlee, A19 to Castle Eden, A19 to Elwick and in via High Tunstall
(16 Nov 2022, 12:24 pm)54APhotography No point trotting the same route as the 23/24, better out of Peterlee, A19 to Castle Eden, A19 to Elwick and in via High Tunstall
(16 Nov 2022, 12:34 pm)Storx It's longer that way from the centre of Peterlee so no real gain going onto the A19 especially at rush hour where you get stuck heading towards the A19 from Hartlepool. I was trying to keep it under an hour so it would be just an extra bus tbh doing the extension.Perhaps skip Peterlee altogether, there's enough services from two operators already, stick to the A19 after Dalton Park
(16 Nov 2022, 12:34 pm)Storx It's longer that way from the centre of Peterlee so no real gain going onto the A19 especially at rush hour where you get stuck heading towards the A19 from Hartlepool. I was trying to keep it under an hour so it would be just an extra bus tbh doing the extension.Perhaps skip Peterlee altogether, there's enough services from two operators already, stick to the A19 after Dalton Park
(16 Nov 2022, 1:44 pm)54APhotography Perhaps skip Peterlee altogether, there's enough services from two operators already, stick to the A19 after Dalton Park
(16 Nov 2022, 1:44 pm)54APhotography Perhaps skip Peterlee altogether, there's enough services from two operators already, stick to the A19 after Dalton Park
(16 Nov 2022, 2:04 pm)Storx Aye possibly like but then you'd lose the 30 minute Peterlee to Newcastle which I think would be more popular. Not sure that many would really use it from Hartlepool on it's own it's a bit operationally out the way really. Would mean the local passengers who connect to other buses using the 6xx buses in Peterlee could connect on a single ticket rather than no doubt an explorer ticket so you'd gain the lost Peterlee -> Hartlepool link, similar for those travelling from Houghton etc could get the X1 and change onto it.Difficult option choices, having travelled on the bus between Peterlee and Hartlepool, and cycled the route many times the numbers along the coast route just don't seem to be picking up.. See less and less people overall..
(16 Nov 2022, 2:04 pm)Storx Aye possibly like but then you'd lose the 30 minute Peterlee to Newcastle which I think would be more popular. Not sure that many would really use it from Hartlepool on it's own it's a bit operationally out the way really. Would mean the local passengers who connect to other buses using the 6xx buses in Peterlee could connect on a single ticket rather than no doubt an explorer ticket so you'd gain the lost Peterlee -> Hartlepool link, similar for those travelling from Houghton etc could get the X1 and change onto it.Difficult option choices, having travelled on the bus between Peterlee and Hartlepool, and cycled the route many times the numbers along the coast route just don't seem to be picking up.. See less and less people overall..
(16 Nov 2022, 2:11 pm)54APhotography Difficult option choices, having travelled on the bus between Peterlee and Hartlepool, and cycled the route many times the numbers along the coast route just don't seem to be picking up.. See less and less people overall..
(16 Nov 2022, 2:11 pm)54APhotography Difficult option choices, having travelled on the bus between Peterlee and Hartlepool, and cycled the route many times the numbers along the coast route just don't seem to be picking up.. See less and less people overall..
Here are a few suggestions:
59: Newcastle, Gateshead, Deckham, Felling Square, Furrowfield Estate, Heworth, Gosforth Terrace, Monkton Lane, Lukes Lane
80: Newcastle, Team Valley, Lamesley, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Biddick (Parkway), Fatfield, A182, Shiney Row, Success, Fence Houses, Rainton Bridge, Hetton Park Estate, Hetton-Le-Hole
81: Newcastle, Team Valley, Lamesley, Birtley, Barley Mow, Ayton, Lambton, The Galleries, Washington Village, Barmston Court, Barmston (Waskerley Road), Peel, Waterview Park, Cherry Blossom Way, Sulgrave (Station Road), Concord
87: Heworth, Fewster Square, Springwell Village, Blackfell (Knoulberry Road), Oxclose, The Galleries, Biddick (Village Centre), Fatfield, Penshaw, Barnwell (The Limes)
88: Heworth, Wardley, High Usworth, Donwell, Albany, The Galleries, Harraton (Bonemill Lane, Rickleton Way, Rickleton (Village Centre)
123: Newcastle, Gateshead, Low Fell, Harlow Green, Birtley, CLS, Plawsworth, Framwellgate Moor, Whitesmocks, Nevilles Cross, Croxdale, Thinford, Dobbies Corner, Spennymoor
125: Newcastle, Bensham, Saltwell Park, Harlow Green, Birtley, CLS, Plawsworth, Nettlesworth, Sacriston, Witton Gilbert
X7: Newcastle, Gateshead, Bensham Hospital, Lobley Hill (Cragside Gardens), Whickham, Larkspur Avenue, Broadway
X11: Newcastle, Gateshead, Teams (Tyne View School), A1, Blaydon, Ryton, Ryton Village, Crawcrook, Clara Vale
(20 Nov 2022, 12:58 pm)L469 YVK Only the X30/X31 need low height deckers. The rest of Consett's X routes don't.
(20 Nov 2022, 12:58 pm)L469 YVK Only the X30/X31 need low height deckers. The rest of Consett's X routes don't.
