Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(28 Aug 2023, 11:06 am)Storx If you took the 58 out of there, then the 58 would be dead.
The 57 is the problem route, it duplicates the 51/52, 56 and 58 for most of the route but doesn't interwork with it at all now.
Personally I'd be more radical and rewrite the whole lot and have something like
90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes)
91/92 (The Loop): Gateshead to Gatehead | Gateshead - Shipcote - Low Fell - Eighton Banks - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate - Forster Square - Felling - Heworth - Gateshead College - Gateshead (Every 20 Minutes)
56: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 15 Minutes)
58: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
59: Newcastle to Wardley | Newcastle - Gateshead - Dun Hill Road - QE Hospital - Felling - Heworth - Wardley (Every 20 Minutes)
51/52/93/94 - Withdrawn
Combined Corridors:
1/90: Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Team Valley North
56/57: Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Beacon Lough
Map:
As far as I'm aware there's no lost links anywhere but would finally give Newcastle a link to Team Valley and increase the Bensham Road and Old Durham Road corridors which both could do with a frequency increase imo.
(28 Aug 2023, 11:06 am)Storx If you took the 58 out of there, then the 58 would be dead.
The 57 is the problem route, it duplicates the 51/52, 56 and 58 for most of the route but doesn't interwork with it at all now.
Personally I'd be more radical and rewrite the whole lot and have something like
90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes)
91/92 (The Loop): Gateshead to Gatehead | Gateshead - Shipcote - Low Fell - Eighton Banks - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate - Forster Square - Felling - Heworth - Gateshead College - Gateshead (Every 20 Minutes)
56: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 15 Minutes)
58: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
59: Newcastle to Wardley | Newcastle - Gateshead - Dun Hill Road - QE Hospital - Felling - Heworth - Wardley (Every 20 Minutes)
51/52/93/94 - Withdrawn
Combined Corridors:
1/90: Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Team Valley North
56/57: Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Beacon Lough
Map:
As far as I'm aware there's no lost links anywhere but would finally give Newcastle a link to Team Valley and increase the Bensham Road and Old Durham Road corridors which both could do with a frequency increase imo.
(28 Aug 2023, 11:06 am)Storx If you took the 58 out of there, then the 58 would be dead.
The 57 is the problem route, it duplicates the 51/52, 56 and 58 for most of the route but doesn't interwork with it at all now.
Personally I'd be more radical and rewrite the whole lot and have something like
90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes)
91/92 (The Loop): Gateshead to Gatehead | Gateshead - Shipcote - Low Fell - Eighton Banks - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate - Forster Square - Felling - Heworth - Gateshead College - Gateshead (Every 20 Minutes)
56: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 15 Minutes)
58: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
59: Newcastle to Wardley | Newcastle - Gateshead - Dun Hill Road - QE Hospital - Felling - Heworth - Wardley (Every 20 Minutes)
51/52/93/94 - Withdrawn
Combined Corridors:
1/90: Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Team Valley North
56/57: Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Beacon Lough
Map:
As far as I'm aware there's no lost links anywhere but would finally give Newcastle a link to Team Valley and increase the Bensham Road and Old Durham Road corridors which both could do with a frequency increase imo.
(28 Aug 2023, 11:06 am)Storx If you took the 58 out of there, then the 58 would be dead.
The 57 is the problem route, it duplicates the 51/52, 56 and 58 for most of the route but doesn't interwork with it at all now.
Personally I'd be more radical and rewrite the whole lot and have something like
90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes)
91/92 (The Loop): Gateshead to Gatehead | Gateshead - Shipcote - Low Fell - Eighton Banks - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate - Forster Square - Felling - Heworth - Gateshead College - Gateshead (Every 20 Minutes)
56: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 15 Minutes)
58: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes)
59: Newcastle to Wardley | Newcastle - Gateshead - Dun Hill Road - QE Hospital - Felling - Heworth - Wardley (Every 20 Minutes)
51/52/93/94 - Withdrawn
Combined Corridors:
1/90: Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Team Valley North
56/57: Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Beacon Lough
Map:
As far as I'm aware there's no lost links anywhere but would finally give Newcastle a link to Team Valley and increase the Bensham Road and Old Durham Road corridors which both could do with a frequency increase imo.
(28 Aug 2023, 4:34 pm)ASX_Terranova I like your ideas, but:Why would u withdraw X66, Route Numbering still means something.
57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 30 Minutes)
57A: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Wrekenton - Eighton Banks - Springwell Village - Donwell - Blackfell - The Galleries (Every 30 Minutes)
90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Bensham Hospital - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes))
91: Newcastle to Houghton-Le-Spring | Newcastle - Team Valley - Portobello - Vigo Estate - Ayton - Lambton - The Galleries - Biddick - Fatfield - Shiney Row - Success - Newbottle - Burnside Estate - Houghton-Le-Street (Every 30 Mins)
Your 91 & 92 could stay as the 93 & 94
I would also withdraw the X66 and merge that with something.
(28 Aug 2023, 4:34 pm)ASX_Terranova I like your ideas, but:Why would u withdraw X66, Route Numbering still means something.
57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 30 Minutes)
57A: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Wrekenton - Eighton Banks - Springwell Village - Donwell - Blackfell - The Galleries (Every 30 Minutes)
90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Bensham Hospital - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes))
91: Newcastle to Houghton-Le-Spring | Newcastle - Team Valley - Portobello - Vigo Estate - Ayton - Lambton - The Galleries - Biddick - Fatfield - Shiney Row - Success - Newbottle - Burnside Estate - Houghton-Le-Street (Every 30 Mins)
Your 91 & 92 could stay as the 93 & 94
I would also withdraw the X66 and merge that with something.
(28 Aug 2023, 1:56 pm)deanmachine Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening.So out of the original lot in 2014:
(28 Aug 2023, 1:56 pm)deanmachine Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening.So out of the original lot in 2014:
(28 Aug 2023, 7:46 pm)Unber43 Why would u withdraw X66, Route Numbering still means something.
(28 Aug 2023, 7:46 pm)Unber43 Why would u withdraw X66, Route Numbering still means something.
Sadly I disagree about the X66 being renumbered
The X66 is a distinctive number used for years as you get to Gateshead interchange and it's direct to the MetroCentre
I believe that connection is key to a brand In itself
I do think however Intead of buses running light between gateshead and Riverside depot should operate an X66 on the off chance a passenger or 2 may board as an addition to a standard service
Heres a few suggestions:
Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
(24 Oct 2023, 5:38 pm)ASX_Terranova Heres a few suggestions:
Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Heres a few suggestions:
Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Heres a few suggestions:
Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
(24 Oct 2023, 5:38 pm)ASX_Terranova Heres a few suggestions:
Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Heres a few suggestions:
Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Heres a few suggestions:
Revised Service 91: Houghton-Le-Spring, Burnside Estate, Newbottle, Success, Shiney Row, Harraton, Rickleton, Ayton, Barley Mow, Birtley, Lamesley, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
Revised Service 92: Heworth, Ellen Wilkinson Estate, Fewster Square, Springwell Estate, Wrekenton, Harlow Green, Team Valley, Newcastle (Hourly)
(24 Oct 2023, 6:10 pm)Aaron21 91 seems okay but not sure if sending the 92 would do any good. The 91 doesn't pick up that many people from Team Valley anyway
(24 Oct 2023, 6:10 pm)Aaron21 91 seems okay but not sure if sending the 92 would do any good. The 91 doesn't pick up that many people from Team Valley anyway
(27 Oct 2023, 8:18 pm)Storx Aye some fair points but if it was going to lead to cancellations, then it's arguably the 'easiest' route to get arid of without a PR disaster as the vast majority of it is covered by Arriva services, albeit rather infrequent now.
Who knows what I Squared motivations are but if they're going on what they're really talking about, maybe they could be interested in purchasing the depot instead, GNE citing losses, I Squared citing consildation of the Coast Road services or whatever. Could be a good move for both parties. Obviously that depends on I Squared motives though.
Honestly I'm not sure what the point of Saltmeadows is, if I had to be honest. It always just seems like a glorified paint shop... but I might be missing something. I'm not aware of any other company having similar though - at all.
(27 Oct 2023, 8:18 pm)Storx Aye some fair points but if it was going to lead to cancellations, then it's arguably the 'easiest' route to get arid of without a PR disaster as the vast majority of it is covered by Arriva services, albeit rather infrequent now.
Who knows what I Squared motivations are but if they're going on what they're really talking about, maybe they could be interested in purchasing the depot instead, GNE citing losses, I Squared citing consildation of the Coast Road services or whatever. Could be a good move for both parties. Obviously that depends on I Squared motives though.
Honestly I'm not sure what the point of Saltmeadows is, if I had to be honest. It always just seems like a glorified paint shop... but I might be missing something. I'm not aware of any other company having similar though - at all.
(27 Oct 2023, 10:03 pm)L469 YVK Looking at Percy Main......
- 307 & 309 - GNE could keep
- 327 - GNE could keep
- 1 withdrawn - 97 re-introduced, Stagecoach split 22 into 22 & 22A with 22A following the 1 route between Newcastle and Whitley Bay
- Q3 extended to replace 41/41A
- 352 withdrawn - practically covered by 37
- 353 taken back by Arriva if PVR is reduced owing to ABTRL, increased to every 30 mins
- 354 withdrawn - 359 already does part route
- 355 - withdrawn as 38 already does route
354 replacements:
- 359
- X63 effectively becomes a "356" and does X63 route but via Church Road & Gosforth High Street, terminates at Haymarket
355 replacements:
- 37
- If Arriva still run X7/X8 in some form, made all stops along Matthew Bank
(27 Oct 2023, 10:03 pm)L469 YVK Looking at Percy Main......
- 307 & 309 - GNE could keep
- 327 - GNE could keep
- 1 withdrawn - 97 re-introduced, Stagecoach split 22 into 22 & 22A with 22A following the 1 route between Newcastle and Whitley Bay
- Q3 extended to replace 41/41A
- 352 withdrawn - practically covered by 37
- 353 taken back by Arriva if PVR is reduced owing to ABTRL, increased to every 30 mins
- 354 withdrawn - 359 already does part route
- 355 - withdrawn as 38 already does route
354 replacements:
- 359
- X63 effectively becomes a "356" and does X63 route but via Church Road & Gosforth High Street, terminates at Haymarket
355 replacements:
- 37
- If Arriva still run X7/X8 in some form, made all stops along Matthew Bank
If theyre going to bring the X9/X10 back, why not put the X9 on the current X10 route and have the X10 route
Newcastle - Gateshead - Heworth - Dalton Park - Peterlee Slip Road - Middlesbrough
Then it can become a proper express again, or bring the X10 after Peterlee though Hartlepool (the way it goes when the A19 is shut)
Seen people talking about the X45/47 and it got me thinking how crap they are following each other at one end and being two different brands at the other end for no reason so thought I'd redo the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle buses as below:
I'm not going to list everything as it's above but it's basically
1 (Blue): Curtailed at Whickham
6 (Red): Complete reroute at the Stanley side so Annfield Plain is now connected to the Metro Centre again.
7 (Purple - NEW): Replacement for parts of the 1/6/X71/V5 linking Shotley Bridge, Meadomsley and Burnopfield to Newcastle and the Metro Centre
10A (Aqua): Extended to Crookhall to replace the 47 and V5 serving Shotley Bridge hospital instead
X30/X31: No Changes
X45 (Light Orange): No Changes
X46 (Dark Orange): 47 curtailed at Blackhall again
X71 (Light Green): Reroute to keep Annfield Plain and Watling House links to Newcastle
X72 (Dark Green): Takes on the 6 extension and goes a faster route to give better Stanley to Gateshead links without going to Rome and back.
V5: Withdrawn
Frequencies:
1: Every 15 Minutes
6: Every 30 Minutes
7: Every 30 Minutes
X45: Every 30 Minutes
X46: Every 30 Minutes
X71: Hourly
X72: Hourly
X45/X46: Every 15 Minutes Combined
6/7: Every 15 Minutes Combined
X71/X72: Every 30 Minutes Combined
7/X45: Every 30 Minutes Combined (as best as possible)
I know it would up the PVR a small amount but it would offer a much better service and fix the gaps ie. Annfield Plain to the Metro Centre which currently exist and give most people, at least 2 BPH.
(07 Dec 2023, 11:53 pm)Storx Seen people talking about the X45/47 and it got me thinking how crap they are following each other at one end and being two different brands at the other end for no reason so thought I'd redo the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle buses as below:THe only thing I would change is that the 47 continuted to Consett at every 30 mins but 1bph would go to Castleside the other Shotley Bridge, and the X5/X15 1bph to Shotley Bridge the other to Castleside (or you could do this with the X71)
I'm not going to list everything as it's above but it's basically
1 (Blue): Curtailed at Whickham
6 (Red): Complete reroute at the Stanley side so Annfield Plain is now connected to the Metro Centre again.
7 (Purple - NEW): Replacement for parts of the 1/6/X71/V5 linking Shotley Bridge, Meadomsley and Burnopfield to Newcastle and the Metro Centre
10A (Aqua): Extended to Crookhall to replace the 47 and V5 serving Shotley Bridge hospital instead
X30/X31: No Changes
X45 (Light Orange): No Changes
X46 (Dark Orange): 47 curtailed at Blackhall again
X71 (Light Green): Reroute to keep Annfield Plain and Watling House links to Newcastle
X72 (Dark Green): Takes on the 6 extension and goes a faster route to give better Stanley to Gateshead links without going to Rome and back.
V5: Withdrawn
Frequencies:
1: Every 15 Minutes
6: Every 30 Minutes
7: Every 30 Minutes
X45: Every 30 Minutes
X46: Every 30 Minutes
X71: Hourly
X72: Hourly
X45/X46: Every 15 Minutes Combined
6/7: Every 15 Minutes Combined
X71/X72: Every 30 Minutes Combined
7/X45: Every 30 Minutes Combined (as best as possible)
I know it would up the PVR a small amount but it would offer a much better service and fix the gaps ie. Annfield Plain to the Metro Centre which currently exist and give most people, at least 2 BPH.
(07 Dec 2023, 11:53 pm)Storx Seen people talking about the X45/47 and it got me thinking how crap they are following each other at one end and being two different brands at the other end for no reason so thought I'd redo the Consett / Stanley to Newcastle buses as below:THe only thing I would change is that the 47 continuted to Consett at every 30 mins but 1bph would go to Castleside the other Shotley Bridge, and the X5/X15 1bph to Shotley Bridge the other to Castleside (or you could do this with the X71)
I'm not going to list everything as it's above but it's basically
1 (Blue): Curtailed at Whickham
6 (Red): Complete reroute at the Stanley side so Annfield Plain is now connected to the Metro Centre again.
7 (Purple - NEW): Replacement for parts of the 1/6/X71/V5 linking Shotley Bridge, Meadomsley and Burnopfield to Newcastle and the Metro Centre
10A (Aqua): Extended to Crookhall to replace the 47 and V5 serving Shotley Bridge hospital instead
X30/X31: No Changes
X45 (Light Orange): No Changes
X46 (Dark Orange): 47 curtailed at Blackhall again
X71 (Light Green): Reroute to keep Annfield Plain and Watling House links to Newcastle
X72 (Dark Green): Takes on the 6 extension and goes a faster route to give better Stanley to Gateshead links without going to Rome and back.
V5: Withdrawn
Frequencies:
1: Every 15 Minutes
6: Every 30 Minutes
7: Every 30 Minutes
X45: Every 30 Minutes
X46: Every 30 Minutes
X71: Hourly
X72: Hourly
X45/X46: Every 15 Minutes Combined
6/7: Every 15 Minutes Combined
X71/X72: Every 30 Minutes Combined
7/X45: Every 30 Minutes Combined (as best as possible)
I know it would up the PVR a small amount but it would offer a much better service and fix the gaps ie. Annfield Plain to the Metro Centre which currently exist and give most people, at least 2 BPH.
(08 Dec 2023, 7:54 am)Unber43 THe only thing I would change is that the 47 continuted to Consett at every 30 mins but 1bph would go to Castleside the other Shotley Bridge, and the X5/X15 1bph to Shotley Bridge the other to Castleside (or you could do this with the X71)
(08 Dec 2023, 7:54 am)Unber43 THe only thing I would change is that the 47 continuted to Consett at every 30 mins but 1bph would go to Castleside the other Shotley Bridge, and the X5/X15 1bph to Shotley Bridge the other to Castleside (or you could do this with the X71)
(08 Dec 2023, 8:34 am)Unber43 96 feels like a route which is the remains of a longer route with either ends cut off.
Maybe an hourly extension to Kimblesworth
(08 Dec 2023, 8:34 am)Unber43 96 feels like a route which is the remains of a longer route with either ends cut off.
Maybe an hourly extension to Kimblesworth
(08 Dec 2023, 8:09 am)Storx No real need for the 47 to go through it takes too long imo. X71 to Castleside wouldn't be a bad idea though to be fair maybe running direct omitting The Grove.
You could do something with the 16 though which has been replaced by the 10A extension. Not sure what though mind.
Another potentially controversial thing I'd be tempted to do is:
1: Whickham to Whitley Bay (Every 30 Minutes)
1A: Metro Centre to Whitley Bay (Every 30 Minutes)
1/1A: Every 15 minutes Lonely Hill to Whitley Bay with the 1A being the 96 from there to the Metro Centre.
There's no real lost links but it makes the 96 actually useful rather than just existing like now.
(08 Dec 2023, 8:09 am)Storx No real need for the 47 to go through it takes too long imo. X71 to Castleside wouldn't be a bad idea though to be fair maybe running direct omitting The Grove.
You could do something with the 16 though which has been replaced by the 10A extension. Not sure what though mind.
Another potentially controversial thing I'd be tempted to do is:
1: Whickham to Whitley Bay (Every 30 Minutes)
1A: Metro Centre to Whitley Bay (Every 30 Minutes)
1/1A: Every 15 minutes Lonely Hill to Whitley Bay with the 1A being the 96 from there to the Metro Centre.
There's no real lost links but it makes the 96 actually useful rather than just existing like now.
How about the X30/X31 actually turning up when they are meant to? The reliability is appalling and must be one of the worst performing routes with frequent gaps in the service. Was hoping it might be better after the strikes but no, this week has been as bad as ever.
