Go North East: 2017/18 Financial Year Order Predictions
Go North East: 2017/18 Financial Year Order Predictions
Hey, it's only 5 weeks until Go North Easts new financial year so thought i would make a thread, and we know the last buses from the 2016/2017 financial year is 18 Streetlites.
It was said by BusmanT in the 2016/2017 thread: "can't see many new single decks coming for a few years after these"., this was a post after it was confirmed 18 more Streetlites would arrive - this can be found here: http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showth...p?tid=1759&page=57
My predication's:
New buses:
Angel: 19 B5TL (includes 2 Spares)
Tyne Tees Express: 6 B5TL (NOW CONFIRMED)
Red Arrows: 14 B5TL (includes 2 spares)
Cascades:
B5LH
Coaster (PVR 13 PVR – 2 spares)
B9’s
Tyne Tees Express
4 to Hexham/Riverside for the TEN
1 to Percy Main for the Cobalt Clipper (spare)
1 to Stanley for the Red Kite
Red Arrow
14 B9’s to spare roles replacing 14 Presidents
B7’s (from various depots)
B7’s in to a spare role replacing 7 Presidents
Omnicities
5251, 52, 54, 61 - 72 to Chester for 13/14/X25 and for the 28/28A
5273, 5274 - spares
Total new buses:
39 new Streetdecks
Total Cascades:
16 Omnicites to Chester
7 B7’s to various depots
Withdrawals:
15 older Scania’s
21 Presidents (B7/Trident)
Vykings start to be replaced by Omnidekka’s from Brighton (if we get more than the 2 known)
Edit:
Changed from Streetdecks to B5TL, as confirmed in the "Go North East latest thread, B5TL's ordered for the X9/X10, part of a batch.
(25 May 2017, 6:14 pm)L469 YVK New orders:
- 17x + 2x spare Wright Streetdeck for Angel 21
- 17x + 2x spare Wright Streetdeck for Cobalt Clipper 309/310/X39
Cascades:
- 6056 to 6068 = Riverside - Crusader
- 6069/70 = Riverside - Corporate Spares
- 6084(T) = Riverside - Corporate Spare
- 6101(T) = Riverside - Corporate Spare
- 6102/03= Riversde/Hexham - Corporate Spares
- 6104/05/06 = Riverside/Hexham - TEN (or Tyne Valley Ten)
- 6107/08/09/10/11/12 = Stanley - Toon Link
* Extra Mon-Fri Toon Link decker kept as car working*
- 6113/14/15/16 = Stanley - Red Kite
- 6117 = Stanley - Corporate Spare
- 6118 = Washington - Red Arrows (frequency re-increased)
- 6119/20 = Washington - Corporate Spares
- 6121 = Crook - Corporate Spare (private reg applied)
- 5310/11 = Stanley - Corporate Spare
- 5312/13/14/15/16/17/18/19 = Stanley - Toon Link
- 5328/29/30 = Stanley - Toon Link
Vehicles freed up for further cascades:
- 9x Scania OmniDekka (6x Stanley / 2x Washington / 1x Crook)
- 7x Volvo B7TL / Wright Eclipse Gemini
- 13x Scania OmniCity
Notes:
- If new vehicles were ordered for TTX, no'new' spare vehicles ordered with 6084/6101 stepping in if needed
(25 May 2017, 6:14 pm)L469 YVK New orders:
- 17x + 2x spare Wright Streetdeck for Angel 21
- 17x + 2x spare Wright Streetdeck for Cobalt Clipper 309/310/X39
Cascades:
- 6056 to 6068 = Riverside - Crusader
- 6069/70 = Riverside - Corporate Spares
- 6084(T) = Riverside - Corporate Spare
- 6101(T) = Riverside - Corporate Spare
- 6102/03= Riversde/Hexham - Corporate Spares
- 6104/05/06 = Riverside/Hexham - TEN (or Tyne Valley Ten)
- 6107/08/09/10/11/12 = Stanley - Toon Link
* Extra Mon-Fri Toon Link decker kept as car working*
- 6113/14/15/16 = Stanley - Red Kite
- 6117 = Stanley - Corporate Spare
- 6118 = Washington - Red Arrows (frequency re-increased)
- 6119/20 = Washington - Corporate Spares
- 6121 = Crook - Corporate Spare (private reg applied)
- 5310/11 = Stanley - Corporate Spare
- 5312/13/14/15/16/17/18/19 = Stanley - Toon Link
- 5328/29/30 = Stanley - Toon Link
Vehicles freed up for further cascades:
- 9x Scania OmniDekka (6x Stanley / 2x Washington / 1x Crook)
- 7x Volvo B7TL / Wright Eclipse Gemini
- 13x Scania OmniCity
Notes:
- If new vehicles were ordered for TTX, no'new' spare vehicles ordered with 6084/6101 stepping in if needed
(24 May 2017, 4:37 pm)Michael Hey, it's only 5 weeks until Go North Easts new financial year so thought i would make a thread, and we know the last buses from the 2016/2017 financial year is 18 Streetlites.
It was said by BusmanT in the 2016/2017 thread: "can't see many new single decks coming for a few years after these"., this was a post after it was confirmed 18 more Streetlites would arrive - this can be found here: http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showth...p?tid=1759&page=57
My predication's:
New buses:
Angel: 19 Streetdecks 17 PVR + 2 Spares
Tyne Tees Express: 6 Street decks +1 spare
Red Arrows: 14 PVR – 2 spares
Cascades:
B5LH
Coaster (PVR 13 PVR – 2 spares)
B9’s
Tyne Tees Express
4 to Hexham/Riverside for the TEN
1 to Percy Main for the Cobalt Clipper (spare)
1 to Stanley for the Red Kite
Red Arrow
14 B9’s to spare roles replacing 14 Presidents
B7’s (from various depots)
B7’s in to a spare role replacing 7 Presidents
Omnicities
5251, 52, 54, 61 - 72 to Chester for 13/14/X25 and for the 28/28A
5273, 5274 - spares
Total new buses:
39 new Streetdecks
Total Cascades:
16 Omnicites to Chester
7 B7’s to various depots
Withdrawals:
15 older Scania’s
21 Presidents (B7/Trident)
Vykings start to be replaced by Omnidekka’s from Brighton (if we get more than the 2 known)
(24 May 2017, 4:37 pm)Michael Hey, it's only 5 weeks until Go North Easts new financial year so thought i would make a thread, and we know the last buses from the 2016/2017 financial year is 18 Streetlites.
It was said by BusmanT in the 2016/2017 thread: "can't see many new single decks coming for a few years after these"., this was a post after it was confirmed 18 more Streetlites would arrive - this can be found here: http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showth...p?tid=1759&page=57
My predication's:
New buses:
Angel: 19 Streetdecks 17 PVR + 2 Spares
Tyne Tees Express: 6 Street decks +1 spare
Red Arrows: 14 PVR – 2 spares
Cascades:
B5LH
Coaster (PVR 13 PVR – 2 spares)
B9’s
Tyne Tees Express
4 to Hexham/Riverside for the TEN
1 to Percy Main for the Cobalt Clipper (spare)
1 to Stanley for the Red Kite
Red Arrow
14 B9’s to spare roles replacing 14 Presidents
B7’s (from various depots)
B7’s in to a spare role replacing 7 Presidents
Omnicities
5251, 52, 54, 61 - 72 to Chester for 13/14/X25 and for the 28/28A
5273, 5274 - spares
Total new buses:
39 new Streetdecks
Total Cascades:
16 Omnicites to Chester
7 B7’s to various depots
Withdrawals:
15 older Scania’s
21 Presidents (B7/Trident)
Vykings start to be replaced by Omnidekka’s from Brighton (if we get more than the 2 known)
I can't see where anymore single decker routes would get converted to double deck operation, just simply as I can't see them investing in double decks on routes where you can just about get away with single deckers which cost less to run. I've been saying this for about the last two years in regards to everyone thinking that the Angel B5s would definitely be going on the 27 and sure enough I've been proven right on this one and considering how busy the 20/20A can get, they chose StreetLite's rather than going for double decker's, so because of these factors, I can't see them putting anymore B9's on the Red Kites. I could be proven wrong though... (I am aware the 47 got B9's in 2015 which was previously single deck operated - Volvo B7RLE's)
If I was wrong about the 27 getting the hybrids, my next theory would have been a frequency decrease from 12 minutes to 15 minute operation.
I'm not entirely sure they'll go to for Streetdecks.
I'd be more interested in the spec. The Ten could use tables spec but the 21 has to be capacity over gimmicks.
(04 Jun 2017, 5:26 pm)Ambassador I'm not entirely sure they'll go to for Streetdecks.
I'd be more interested in the spec. The Ten could use tables spec but the 21 has to be capacity over gimmicks.
(04 Jun 2017, 5:26 pm)Ambassador I'm not entirely sure they'll go to for Streetdecks.
I'd be more interested in the spec. The Ten could use tables spec but the 21 has to be capacity over gimmicks.
(04 Jun 2017, 5:33 pm)S813 FVK The 21 is the wrong type of route for tables I think. I would expect the X9/X10 to have tables though.
(04 Jun 2017, 7:45 pm)Michael Not sure the X9/X10 would have tables, i think they would go for more seats than gimmics for the route, could be wrong though.
(04 Jun 2017, 7:45 pm)Michael Not sure the X9/X10 would have tables, i think they would go for more seats than gimmics for the route, could be wrong though.
TTX isn't getting Streetdecks but rather Volvo B5TLs. Bodywork is unknown yet but if ordering from Wrightbus, it would certainly be well thought if they were to be Low Height as when they come to the end of their working lives, they could be allocated for routes where a full height decker may not fit under such as the X30.
TENs also very unlikely to receive an upgrade as they'll most likely be getting 3x from the TTX for the 'Tyne Valley Ten' (if that leaked timetable was right) plus a further 2x as spares for Hexham / Riverside and the last one remaining at Riverside if no spares are ordered for the TTX or getting transferred elsewhere.
http://www.route-one.net/articles/Test-D...h_capacity
Just had a thought, would one of these not have been suitable to see out their time on the TTX for 10 years?
The only predictions i have is that the coaster 1/1A gets an upgrade possibly,the 93/94 loop gets an upgrade,and either the cascades from the 1 go over to CLS for 13/14/X25 and the solars from 93/94 go onto to the 28/28A,or vice versa solars onto 13/14/X25 and the omnies onto 28/28A
(30 Jul 2017, 12:06 pm)V514DFT The only predictions i have is that the coaster 1/1A gets an upgrade possibly,the 93/94 loop gets an upgrade,and either the cascades from the 1 go over to CLS for 13/14/X25 and the solars from 93/94 go onto to the 28/28A,or vice versa solars onto 13/14/X25 and the omnies onto 28/28A
(30 Jul 2017, 12:06 pm)V514DFT The only predictions i have is that the coaster 1/1A gets an upgrade possibly,the 93/94 loop gets an upgrade,and either the cascades from the 1 go over to CLS for 13/14/X25 and the solars from 93/94 go onto to the 28/28A,or vice versa solars onto 13/14/X25 and the omnies onto 28/28A
(30 Jul 2017, 12:06 pm)V514DFT The only predictions i have is that the coaster 1/1A gets an upgrade possibly,the 93/94 loop gets an upgrade,and either the cascades from the 1 go over to CLS for 13/14/X25 and the solars from 93/94 go onto to the 28/28A,or vice versa solars onto 13/14/X25 and the omnies onto 28/28A
(30 Jul 2017, 12:06 pm)V514DFT The only predictions i have is that the coaster 1/1A gets an upgrade possibly,the 93/94 loop gets an upgrade,and either the cascades from the 1 go over to CLS for 13/14/X25 and the solars from 93/94 go onto to the 28/28A,or vice versa solars onto 13/14/X25 and the omnies onto 28/28A
(30 Jul 2017, 12:34 pm)Michael Only if they're deckers, it was said a while back that single decker orders would be low for the next few years unless Go North East have changed their mind.
(30 Jul 2017, 12:34 pm)Michael Only if they're deckers, it was said a while back that single decker orders would be low for the next few years unless Go North East have changed their mind.
(30 Jul 2017, 1:22 pm)Tom If the B5LHs did be replaced on the 21, it would make sense for them to go on the Coaster then, and then the Omnicities could be shared across the 11/19. The 19 has problems with the B7RLEs to it makes more sense.
(30 Jul 2017, 1:22 pm)Tom If the B5LHs did be replaced on the 21, it would make sense for them to go on the Coaster then, and then the Omnicities could be shared across the 11/19. The 19 has problems with the B7RLEs to it makes more sense.
(30 Jul 2017, 4:32 pm)L469 YVK The only the B5LHs would be capable on the Coasters would be if they were retrofitted with a standard diesel engine.
If they were to upgrade the 19, I would suggest the 19 to be brought under a revised 'Cobalt Clipper' brand and some refurbished Mercs (WiFi, USB, NSA) with a tagline something like the following:
"Links from the heart of Northumberland and North Tyneside to Cobalt"
They could then to save fuel maybe allocate some to the 310's during the evenings and the 309/310 on Sundays (as long as there's no football, concerts, payday weekends, nice weather or Christmas shoppers).
(30 Jul 2017, 4:32 pm)L469 YVK The only the B5LHs would be capable on the Coasters would be if they were retrofitted with a standard diesel engine.
If they were to upgrade the 19, I would suggest the 19 to be brought under a revised 'Cobalt Clipper' brand and some refurbished Mercs (WiFi, USB, NSA) with a tagline something like the following:
"Links from the heart of Northumberland and North Tyneside to Cobalt"
They could then to save fuel maybe allocate some to the 310's during the evenings and the 309/310 on Sundays (as long as there's no football, concerts, payday weekends, nice weather or Christmas shoppers).
(01 Aug 2017, 6:27 pm)Michael Sticking to what i said a while back:
Tyne Tees Xpress (confirmed)
Angel
Red Arrows
(01 Aug 2017, 6:27 pm)Michael Sticking to what i said a while back:
Tyne Tees Xpress (confirmed)
Angel
Red Arrows
