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V514DFT



2,237
08 Mar 2020, 2:51 pm #1
Quite alot of frequent service changes going on atm with GNE it seems, all being 2 months apart from each other

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
08 Mar 2020, 2:51 pm #1

Quite alot of frequent service changes going on atm with GNE it seems, all being 2 months apart from each other


Kind Regards
Tez

Dan

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18,114
08 Mar 2020, 2:54 pm #2
(08 Mar 2020, 2:51 pm)V514DFT Quite alot of frequent service changes going on atm with GNE it seems, all being 2 months apart from each other

There are agreed service change dates by area - these usually coincide with Nexus contract change dates (so North Tyneside is March, Sunderland/Washington is May).
Dan
08 Mar 2020, 2:54 pm #2

(08 Mar 2020, 2:51 pm)V514DFT Quite alot of frequent service changes going on atm with GNE it seems, all being 2 months apart from each other

There are agreed service change dates by area - these usually coincide with Nexus contract change dates (so North Tyneside is March, Sunderland/Washington is May).

Michael



19,160
08 Mar 2020, 3:09 pm #3
(08 Mar 2020, 2:54 pm)Dan There are agreed service change dates by area - these usually coincide with Nexus contract change dates (so North Tyneside is March, Sunderland/Washington is May).

Quite a few have changed as you'll know.

Services 68, 92, 927, 937, 93A, 83A
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, that does not exceed 8.9m in length



Services 81/82/83/84
3x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings



Services 85/86
2x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings



Service 168
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 23, that does not exceed 8.5m in length, Mon-Sat.



Service 516
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sat




All again, won by Gateshead Central Taxi's.... wonder if GNE tickets will be accepted on the 81-85 services?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
08 Mar 2020, 3:09 pm #3

(08 Mar 2020, 2:54 pm)Dan There are agreed service change dates by area - these usually coincide with Nexus contract change dates (so North Tyneside is March, Sunderland/Washington is May).

Quite a few have changed as you'll know.

Services 68, 92, 927, 937, 93A, 83A
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, that does not exceed 8.9m in length



Services 81/82/83/84
3x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings



Services 85/86
2x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings



Service 168
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 23, that does not exceed 8.5m in length, Mon-Sat.



Service 516
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sat




All again, won by Gateshead Central Taxi's.... wonder if GNE tickets will be accepted on the 81-85 services?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

V514DFT



2,237
08 Mar 2020, 7:21 pm #4
What is the 93A

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
08 Mar 2020, 7:21 pm #4

What is the 93A


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Tez

Dan

Site Administrator

18,114
08 Mar 2020, 7:23 pm #5
(08 Mar 2020, 7:21 pm)V514DFT What is the 93A



An early-morning variation of GNE’s 93 service which is secured by Nexus.


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Dan
08 Mar 2020, 7:23 pm #5

(08 Mar 2020, 7:21 pm)V514DFT What is the 93A



An early-morning variation of GNE’s 93 service which is secured by Nexus.


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GuyParkRoyal



1,005
08 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm #6
(08 Mar 2020, 7:21 pm)V514DFT What is the 93A
A Nexus journey from Friars Goose serving north end of Green Lane in Felling, Nest Road, Stoneygate Lane to Heworth. Mainly used by workers from International Paints and sites on Nest Road. A short journey time of 6 minutes.
GuyParkRoyal
08 Mar 2020, 8:03 pm #6

(08 Mar 2020, 7:21 pm)V514DFT What is the 93A
A Nexus journey from Friars Goose serving north end of Green Lane in Felling, Nest Road, Stoneygate Lane to Heworth. Mainly used by workers from International Paints and sites on Nest Road. A short journey time of 6 minutes.

park5354



406
09 Mar 2020, 3:03 am #7
Dan An early-morning variation of GNE’s 93 service which is secured by Nexus.


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1640 from Friars Goose to Heworth, Monday to Friday only.
park5354
09 Mar 2020, 3:03 am #7

Dan An early-morning variation of GNE’s 93 service which is secured by Nexus.


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1640 from Friars Goose to Heworth, Monday to Friday only.

6049



259
09 Mar 2020, 4:52 pm #8
(08 Mar 2020, 3:09 pm)Michael Quite a few have changed as you'll know.

Services 68, 92, 927, 937, 93A, 83A
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, that does not exceed 8.9m in length



Services 81/82/83/84
3x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings



Services 85/86
2x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings



Service 168
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 23, that does not exceed 8.5m in length, Mon-Sat.



Service 516
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sat




All again, won by Gateshead Central Taxi's.... wonder if GNE tickets will be accepted on the 81-85 services?
Has this been officially confirmed yet? I know GNE wouldn't release any info on changes for at least another month but I'm unfamiliar with Nexus
6049
09 Mar 2020, 4:52 pm #8

(08 Mar 2020, 3:09 pm)Michael Quite a few have changed as you'll know.

Services 68, 92, 927, 937, 93A, 83A
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, that does not exceed 8.9m in length



Services 81/82/83/84
3x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings



Services 85/86
2x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sun evenings



Service 168
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 23, that does not exceed 8.5m in length, Mon-Sat.



Service 516
1x Euro 5 vehicle with a minimum capacity of 36, Mon-Sat




All again, won by Gateshead Central Taxi's.... wonder if GNE tickets will be accepted on the 81-85 services?
Has this been officially confirmed yet? I know GNE wouldn't release any info on changes for at least another month but I'm unfamiliar with Nexus

Dan

Site Administrator

18,114
09 Mar 2020, 5:09 pm #9
(09 Mar 2020, 4:52 pm)6049 Has this been officially confirmed yet? I know GNE wouldn't release any info on changes for at least another month but I'm unfamiliar with Nexus

Not officially confirmed, no, but Nexus have now awarded contracts for the May tenders and sent this information to operators.
Dan
09 Mar 2020, 5:09 pm #9

(09 Mar 2020, 4:52 pm)6049 Has this been officially confirmed yet? I know GNE wouldn't release any info on changes for at least another month but I'm unfamiliar with Nexus

Not officially confirmed, no, but Nexus have now awarded contracts for the May tenders and sent this information to operators.

Michael



19,160
04 May 2020, 5:23 pm #10
Contract changes in May!


PB0003954/786 Cancelled (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: EASINGTON LANE, CLOCK TOWER to EAST RAINTON via Hetton Le Hole, Hettons Lyons
Service number: 168 (168)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB0003954/186 Cancelled (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: North Shields, Christ Church to Longbenton DSS, Tyneview Park via Hadrian Park
Service number: 391
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


More digging, changes so far for the 17th May 2020


PB0003954/788
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 135 (136) Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland

PB0003954/805
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 39 (39A) Doxford International, Admiral Way Pennywell, Prestbury Road

PB0003954/773
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 83,84 Galleries Bus Station, Washington Heworth Interchange

PB0003954/774
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 81,82 Durham Rd, Harrogate Terrace, Birtley Galleries Bus StationWashington

PB0003954/772
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 85 (86) Concord Brady Square/Waterview Park, Mandarin Way


ALL above gonna be ran by Gateshead Central Taxi's from 17th May 2020



Will Sunderland Smart Zone Tickets be accepted on the above services?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
04 May 2020, 5:23 pm #10

Contract changes in May!


PB0003954/786 Cancelled (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: EASINGTON LANE, CLOCK TOWER to EAST RAINTON via Hetton Le Hole, Hettons Lyons
Service number: 168 (168)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB0003954/186 Cancelled (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: North Shields, Christ Church to Longbenton DSS, Tyneview Park via Hadrian Park
Service number: 391
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


More digging, changes so far for the 17th May 2020


PB0003954/788
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 135 (136) Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland

PB0003954/805
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 39 (39A) Doxford International, Admiral Way Pennywell, Prestbury Road

PB0003954/773
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 83,84 Galleries Bus Station, Washington Heworth Interchange

PB0003954/774
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 81,82 Durham Rd, Harrogate Terrace, Birtley Galleries Bus StationWashington

PB0003954/772
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 85 (86) Concord Brady Square/Waterview Park, Mandarin Way


ALL above gonna be ran by Gateshead Central Taxi's from 17th May 2020



Will Sunderland Smart Zone Tickets be accepted on the above services?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael



19,160
05 May 2020, 11:46 am #11
(04 May 2020, 5:23 pm)Michael Contract changes in May!


PB0003954/786 Cancelled (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: EASINGTON LANE, CLOCK TOWER to EAST RAINTON via Hetton Le Hole, Hettons Lyons
Service number: 168 (168)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB0003954/186 Cancelled (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: North Shields, Christ Church to Longbenton DSS, Tyneview Park via Hadrian Park
Service number: 391
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


More digging, changes so far for the 17th May 2020


PB0003954/788
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 135 (136) Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland

PB0003954/805
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 39 (39A) Doxford International, Admiral Way Pennywell, Prestbury Road

PB0003954/773
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 83,84 Galleries Bus Station, Washington Heworth Interchange

PB0003954/774
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 81,82 Durham Rd, Harrogate Terrace, Birtley Galleries Bus StationWashington

PB0003954/772
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 85 (86) Concord Brady Square/Waterview Park, Mandarin Way


ALL above gonna be ran by Gateshead Central Taxi's from 17th May 2020



Will Sunderland Smart Zone Tickets be accepted on the above services?


PB1099280/118 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Durham Road, East Rainton to Durham Road, East Rainton
Service number: 168
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB1099280/117 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Pennywell, Prestbury Road to Pennywell, Prestbury Road
Service number: 39
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB1099280/116 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange to Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange
Service number: 135 (136)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB1099280/115 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Concord Bus Station, Washington to Station Lane, Birtley
Service number: 81 (82, 83, 84)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB1099280/114 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Concord Bus Station, Washington to Columbia, Brady Square
Service number: 85 (86)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
05 May 2020, 11:46 am #11

(04 May 2020, 5:23 pm)Michael Contract changes in May!


PB0003954/786 Cancelled (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: EASINGTON LANE, CLOCK TOWER to EAST RAINTON via Hetton Le Hole, Hettons Lyons
Service number: 168 (168)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB0003954/186 Cancelled (Short notice)
GO NORTH EAST LIMITED
Route: North Shields, Christ Church to Longbenton DSS, Tyneview Park via Hadrian Park
Service number: 391
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


More digging, changes so far for the 17th May 2020


PB0003954/788
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 135 (136) Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland Park Lane Interchange, Sunderland

PB0003954/805
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 39 (39A) Doxford International, Admiral Way Pennywell, Prestbury Road

PB0003954/773
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 83,84 Galleries Bus Station, Washington Heworth Interchange

PB0003954/774
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 81,82 Durham Rd, Harrogate Terrace, Birtley Galleries Bus StationWashington

PB0003954/772
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 85 (86) Concord Brady Square/Waterview Park, Mandarin Way


ALL above gonna be ran by Gateshead Central Taxi's from 17th May 2020



Will Sunderland Smart Zone Tickets be accepted on the above services?


PB1099280/118 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Durham Road, East Rainton to Durham Road, East Rainton
Service number: 168
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB1099280/117 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Pennywell, Prestbury Road to Pennywell, Prestbury Road
Service number: 39
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB1099280/116 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange to Sunderland, Park Lane Interchange
Service number: 135 (136)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB1099280/115 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Concord Bus Station, Washington to Station Lane, Birtley
Service number: 81 (82, 83, 84)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


PB1099280/114 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Concord Bus Station, Washington to Columbia, Brady Square
Service number: 85 (86)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Adrian



9,583
05 May 2020, 12:58 pm #12
(05 May 2020, 11:46 am)Michael PB1099280/114 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Concord Bus Station, Washington to Columbia, Brady Square
Service number: 85 (86)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020

Waterview Park section dropped then?

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Adrian
05 May 2020, 12:58 pm #12

(05 May 2020, 11:46 am)Michael PB1099280/114 Registered (Short notice)
CENTRAL TAXIS GATESHEAD LTD
Route: Concord Bus Station, Washington to Columbia, Brady Square
Service number: 85 (86)
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 17 May 2020

Waterview Park section dropped then?


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6049



259
05 May 2020, 1:05 pm #13
(05 May 2020, 12:58 pm)Adrian Waterview Park section dropped then?
I'd be surprised if it was. Given the frequency on an evening, it would mean around half an hour sitting time at the Galleries every time

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6049
05 May 2020, 1:05 pm #13

(05 May 2020, 12:58 pm)Adrian Waterview Park section dropped then?
I'd be surprised if it was. Given the frequency on an evening, it would mean around half an hour sitting time at the Galleries every time

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LeeCalder



1,928
06 May 2020, 8:18 am #14
Given the tender specifications, I would assume GCT will be restricted to using just MMC's and Solo's on the Washington locals?

I wonder how many times that is flouted....
LeeCalder
06 May 2020, 8:18 am #14

Given the tender specifications, I would assume GCT will be restricted to using just MMC's and Solo's on the Washington locals?

I wonder how many times that is flouted....

Michael



19,160
07 May 2020, 1:02 pm #15
(06 May 2020, 8:18 am)LeeCalder Given the tender specifications, I would assume GCT will be restricted to using just MMC's and Solo's on the Washington locals?

I wonder how many times that is flouted....


Or how much of the route is missed out Tongue


Wonder if these will still go ahead on the 17th May, because of the crisis?

I wonder how many will get caught out, of being not allowed to use a GNE pass on the services? (atm they're allowed due to the crisis but what about after?), because people might still think they can use them after the crisis is over (unlikely to be for a while though)

Only 10 days away from changes, nothing as of yet on the GNE site.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
07 May 2020, 1:02 pm #15

(06 May 2020, 8:18 am)LeeCalder Given the tender specifications, I would assume GCT will be restricted to using just MMC's and Solo's on the Washington locals?

I wonder how many times that is flouted....


Or how much of the route is missed out Tongue


Wonder if these will still go ahead on the 17th May, because of the crisis?

I wonder how many will get caught out, of being not allowed to use a GNE pass on the services? (atm they're allowed due to the crisis but what about after?), because people might still think they can use them after the crisis is over (unlikely to be for a while though)

Only 10 days away from changes, nothing as of yet on the GNE site.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Adrian



9,583
07 May 2020, 1:08 pm #16
(07 May 2020, 1:02 pm)Michael Or how much of the route is missed out Tongue

Wonder if these will still go ahead on the 17th May, because of the crisis?

I wonder how many will get caught out, of being not allowed to use a GNE pass on the services? (atm they're allowed due to the crisis but what about after?), because people might still think they can use them after the crisis is over (unlikely to be for a while though)

Only 10 days away from changes, nothing as of yet on the GNE site.

They'll have to go ahead, if the contract has been signed and sealed. The incumbent is no longer obliged to run the services from the 17th May. 

I'd hope that Nexus would have studied the passenger data and pass usage heavily during the procurement phase, and would have been able to properly communicate to those likely to be impacted by these changes. But then again, I also hope that Newcastle will win the league... ?

There's nothing on the Nexus website either.

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Adrian
07 May 2020, 1:08 pm #16

(07 May 2020, 1:02 pm)Michael Or how much of the route is missed out Tongue

Wonder if these will still go ahead on the 17th May, because of the crisis?

I wonder how many will get caught out, of being not allowed to use a GNE pass on the services? (atm they're allowed due to the crisis but what about after?), because people might still think they can use them after the crisis is over (unlikely to be for a while though)

Only 10 days away from changes, nothing as of yet on the GNE site.

They'll have to go ahead, if the contract has been signed and sealed. The incumbent is no longer obliged to run the services from the 17th May. 

I'd hope that Nexus would have studied the passenger data and pass usage heavily during the procurement phase, and would have been able to properly communicate to those likely to be impacted by these changes. But then again, I also hope that Newcastle will win the league... ?

There's nothing on the Nexus website either.


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S813 FVK



6,030
07 May 2020, 1:14 pm #17
Depending on the situation in 10 days time, I think we could well see a similar model used for this group of contracts as we have seen for those on North Tyneside.

The contracts that involve the handing over of 100% service operations (ie. 168) happens, but those that only apply on an evening & Sunday temporarily remain with the daytime commercial operator working from their timetable.

As for ticketing, confusion over pass use when operators change is a risk regardless of being in a health crisis. You'd hope that operators would publicise the ending of the current ticketing agreement just as much as they did when entering it. After that, as clarified previously, it's down to Nexus.
S813 FVK
07 May 2020, 1:14 pm #17

Depending on the situation in 10 days time, I think we could well see a similar model used for this group of contracts as we have seen for those on North Tyneside.

The contracts that involve the handing over of 100% service operations (ie. 168) happens, but those that only apply on an evening & Sunday temporarily remain with the daytime commercial operator working from their timetable.

As for ticketing, confusion over pass use when operators change is a risk regardless of being in a health crisis. You'd hope that operators would publicise the ending of the current ticketing agreement just as much as they did when entering it. After that, as clarified previously, it's down to Nexus.

Michael



19,160
07 May 2020, 1:15 pm #18
(07 May 2020, 1:08 pm)Adrian They'll have to go ahead, if the contract has been signed and sealed. The incumbent is no longer obliged to run the services from the 17th May. 

I'd hope that Nexus would have studied the passenger data and pass usage heavily during the procurement phase, and would have been able to properly communicate to those likely to be impacted by these changes. But then again, I also hope that Newcastle will win the league... ?

There's nothing on the Nexus website either.

Maybe but aren't Go North East still running the 11, 42 etc even though they lost the Evening/Sunday contracts?

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
07 May 2020, 1:15 pm #18

(07 May 2020, 1:08 pm)Adrian They'll have to go ahead, if the contract has been signed and sealed. The incumbent is no longer obliged to run the services from the 17th May. 

I'd hope that Nexus would have studied the passenger data and pass usage heavily during the procurement phase, and would have been able to properly communicate to those likely to be impacted by these changes. But then again, I also hope that Newcastle will win the league... ?

There's nothing on the Nexus website either.

Maybe but aren't Go North East still running the 11, 42 etc even though they lost the Evening/Sunday contracts?


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Adrian



9,583
07 May 2020, 1:34 pm #19
(07 May 2020, 1:15 pm)Michael Maybe but aren't Go North East still running the 11, 42 etc even though they lost the Evening/Sunday contracts?
Believe so, but more fool them. Nexus should be told where to go, if their own contractor cannot fulfil the contract!

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07 May 2020, 1:34 pm #19

(07 May 2020, 1:15 pm)Michael Maybe but aren't Go North East still running the 11, 42 etc even though they lost the Evening/Sunday contracts?
Believe so, but more fool them. Nexus should be told where to go, if their own contractor cannot fulfil the contract!

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170
08 May 2020, 8:58 am #20
(07 May 2020, 1:34 pm)Adrian Believe so, but more fool them. Nexus should be told where to go, if their own contractor cannot fulfil the contract!

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Think you will find that to be not true, rather some other reason.
RM2186
08 May 2020, 8:58 am #20

(07 May 2020, 1:34 pm)Adrian Believe so, but more fool them. Nexus should be told where to go, if their own contractor cannot fulfil the contract!

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Think you will find that to be not true, rather some other reason.

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