New StreetDecks - nine re-deployed within Go-Ahead Group prior to delivery
New StreetDecks - nine re-deployed within Go-Ahead Group prior to delivery
(29 May 2020, 7:05 pm)mb134 I'm sorry but I don't see any passenger experience issues with low height E400s - I'm over 6ft and I don't have a huge issue on any of Arriva's low height E400s.Well, GNE traditionally since 2005 have ordered deckers from Wrightbus (either Volvo or integral chassis) and as technology has changed since then, it was perhaps a good way for GNE to sample an alternative in a low risk way for a particular reason (low bridge in Dunston) rather than buying a full batch.
In terms of not ordering low height Streetdecks, there's likely a number of reasons. Are they a similar height to low-height E400s? Is there a substantial cost difference? Did it change order time frames?
(29 May 2020, 7:05 pm)mb134 I'm sorry but I don't see any passenger experience issues with low height E400s - I'm over 6ft and I don't have a huge issue on any of Arriva's low height E400s.Well, GNE traditionally since 2005 have ordered deckers from Wrightbus (either Volvo or integral chassis) and as technology has changed since then, it was perhaps a good way for GNE to sample an alternative in a low risk way for a particular reason (low bridge in Dunston) rather than buying a full batch.
In terms of not ordering low height Streetdecks, there's likely a number of reasons. Are they a similar height to low-height E400s? Is there a substantial cost difference? Did it change order time frames?
Well working things out based on the original 30x StreetDecks not taking into account the additional demo:
- 13x X31/X45/X46
- 9x X47/X70/X71
- 4x X5/X15
- 4x remaining (to cover X21/21 [PVR 27] and either directly provide spares or release older StreetDecks as spares)
With the total StreetDecks available including new batch now standing at 47, the following could be achieved with perhaps the 21 reduced to every 10 mins between CLS and Newcastle and the X5/X15 getting vehicles from elsewhere. Spares would also have to be sourced from elsewhere too:
- 13x X31/X45/X46
- 9x X47/X70/X71
- 12x for X21
- That would then leave 13x available for the 21 and a PVR of 13 would be achievable with a reduction of frequency between CLS and Newcastle
In terms of allocations based on route demands:
- 6341-52 for X21 (x12) *long route*
- 6353-61 for X47/X70/X71 (x9) *hills*
- 6301-6307 for 21 (x7)
- 6315-6321 for 21 (x6)
- 6321-6333 for X31/X45/X46 (x13)
(30 May 2020, 11:46 am)L469 YVK Well working things out based on the original 30x StreetDecks not taking into account the additional demo:
- 13x X31/X45/X46
- 9x X47/X70/X71
- 4x X5/X15
- 4x remaining (to cover X21/21 [PVR 27] and either directly provide spares or release older StreetDecks as spares)
With the total StreetDecks available including new batch now standing at 47, the following could be achieved with perhaps the 21 reduced to every 10 mins between CLS and Newcastle and the X5/X15 getting vehicles from elsewhere. Spares would also have to be sourced from elsewhere too:
- 13x X31/X45/X46
- 9x X47/X70/X71
- 12x for X21
- That would then leave 13x available for the 21 and a PVR of 13 would be achievable with a reduction of frequency between CLS and Newcastle
In terms of allocations based on route demands:
- 6341-52 for X21 (x12) *long route*
- 6353-61 for X47/X70/X71 (x9) *hills*
- 6315-6327 for X31/X45/X46 (x13)
- 6328-6333 for 21 (x6)
- 6301-6307 for 21 (x7)
(30 May 2020, 11:46 am)L469 YVK Well working things out based on the original 30x StreetDecks not taking into account the additional demo:
- 13x X31/X45/X46
- 9x X47/X70/X71
- 4x X5/X15
- 4x remaining (to cover X21/21 [PVR 27] and either directly provide spares or release older StreetDecks as spares)
With the total StreetDecks available including new batch now standing at 47, the following could be achieved with perhaps the 21 reduced to every 10 mins between CLS and Newcastle and the X5/X15 getting vehicles from elsewhere. Spares would also have to be sourced from elsewhere too:
- 13x X31/X45/X46
- 9x X47/X70/X71
- 12x for X21
- That would then leave 13x available for the 21 and a PVR of 13 would be achievable with a reduction of frequency between CLS and Newcastle
In terms of allocations based on route demands:
- 6341-52 for X21 (x12) *long route*
- 6353-61 for X47/X70/X71 (x9) *hills*
- 6315-6327 for X31/X45/X46 (x13)
- 6328-6333 for 21 (x6)
- 6301-6307 for 21 (x7)
(30 May 2020, 11:56 am)Storx Stupid idea, the 21 needs the 7.5 minute frequency, the buses can be full at rush hour as it is. Also the PVR of the X21 is 8 anyway.Travel patterns will likely change post Covid19 with more people working from home or working fewer days per week. With the X21 running every 15 minutes, a 10 minute frequency on the 21 would more than suffice.
(30 May 2020, 11:56 am)Storx Stupid idea, the 21 needs the 7.5 minute frequency, the buses can be full at rush hour as it is. Also the PVR of the X21 is 8 anyway.Travel patterns will likely change post Covid19 with more people working from home or working fewer days per week. With the X21 running every 15 minutes, a 10 minute frequency on the 21 would more than suffice.
(30 May 2020, 2:12 pm)L469 YVK Travel patterns will likely change post Covid19 with more people working from home or working fewer days per week. With the X21 running every 15 minutes, a 10 minute frequency on the 21 would more than suffice.
Furthermore, the X21 PVR is indeed 12x vehicles.
- Durham boards = 4x (30 min freq 2 hour round trip)
- West Auckland boards = 8x (30 min freq 4 hour round trip)
(30 May 2020, 2:12 pm)L469 YVK Travel patterns will likely change post Covid19 with more people working from home or working fewer days per week. With the X21 running every 15 minutes, a 10 minute frequency on the 21 would more than suffice.
Furthermore, the X21 PVR is indeed 12x vehicles.
- Durham boards = 4x (30 min freq 2 hour round trip)
- West Auckland boards = 8x (30 min freq 4 hour round trip)
(30 May 2020, 2:25 pm)Michael If you read the changes from June, then its not...
X-lines X21 - Evening journeys reduced and the frequency between Newcastle and Durham will be revised to every 30 minutes., the whole X21 route is now running every 30 minutes - 240 minutes whole trip - PVR 8.
New timetable: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/image...st_Jun.pdf
(30 May 2020, 2:25 pm)Michael If you read the changes from June, then its not...
X-lines X21 - Evening journeys reduced and the frequency between Newcastle and Durham will be revised to every 30 minutes., the whole X21 route is now running every 30 minutes - 240 minutes whole trip - PVR 8.
New timetable: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/image...st_Jun.pdf
(30 May 2020, 2:28 pm)S813 FVK That's assuming it won't go back to every 15 minutes once demand rises again, much like they're doing with the likes of the 56 and 60.
(30 May 2020, 2:28 pm)S813 FVK That's assuming it won't go back to every 15 minutes once demand rises again, much like they're doing with the likes of the 56 and 60.
(30 May 2020, 2:31 pm)Michael True but atm, it doesn't have "Frequency reduced until demand returns" next to the changes, like the 56 and 60 does, so i think that means, the whole service will stay every 30 minutes for the foreseeable future.
(30 May 2020, 2:31 pm)Michael True but atm, it doesn't have "Frequency reduced until demand returns" next to the changes, like the 56 and 60 does, so i think that means, the whole service will stay every 30 minutes for the foreseeable future.
(30 May 2020, 3:23 pm)peter Which can also be inferred from the fact that the extra Streetdecks for the X21 have been diverted elsewhere. It seems likely to assume that 6303 may well be repainted and rebranded to make up the 8th bus in the PVR. Though this is probably not a necessity atm, and plans may change in the future so for the time-being I imagine one of the corporate branded 6301-3 will permanently be allocated.
(30 May 2020, 3:23 pm)peter Which can also be inferred from the fact that the extra Streetdecks for the X21 have been diverted elsewhere. It seems likely to assume that 6303 may well be repainted and rebranded to make up the 8th bus in the PVR. Though this is probably not a necessity atm, and plans may change in the future so for the time-being I imagine one of the corporate branded 6301-3 will permanently be allocated.
(30 May 2020, 3:33 pm)streetdeckfan Would it not be more likely that one of the corporate StreetDecks would go to Consett as a spare than be repainted again into Xlines then one of the new vehicles, which is likely to already painted in the correct colours, goes on to the X21 as planned?
(30 May 2020, 3:33 pm)streetdeckfan Would it not be more likely that one of the corporate StreetDecks would go to Consett as a spare than be repainted again into Xlines then one of the new vehicles, which is likely to already painted in the correct colours, goes on to the X21 as planned?
(30 May 2020, 3:46 pm)peter I believe it was said 9 of the new Streetdecks would be going to Oxford. If I remember correctly the original order was for 31 which has now been reduced to 22. If the values I have down are correct, the current PVRs of the X31/X45/X46 and X47/X70/X71 are 13 and 9 respectively = 22, so if those values are right that would mean there are no spare Streetdecks available to be allocated to the X21 instead.
(30 May 2020, 3:46 pm)peter I believe it was said 9 of the new Streetdecks would be going to Oxford. If I remember correctly the original order was for 31 which has now been reduced to 22. If the values I have down are correct, the current PVRs of the X31/X45/X46 and X47/X70/X71 are 13 and 9 respectively = 22, so if those values are right that would mean there are no spare Streetdecks available to be allocated to the X21 instead.
(30 May 2020, 3:46 pm)peter I believe it was said 9 of the new Streetdecks would be going to Oxford. If I remember correctly the original order was for 31 which has now been reduced to 22. If the values I have down are correct the current PVRs of the X31/45/56 and X47/70/71 are 13 and 9 respectively = 22, so if those values are right that would mean there are no spare Streetdecks available to be allocated to the X21 instead.
(30 May 2020, 3:46 pm)peter I believe it was said 9 of the new Streetdecks would be going to Oxford. If I remember correctly the original order was for 31 which has now been reduced to 22. If the values I have down are correct the current PVRs of the X31/45/56 and X47/70/71 are 13 and 9 respectively = 22, so if those values are right that would mean there are no spare Streetdecks available to be allocated to the X21 instead.
(30 May 2020, 2:12 pm)L469 YVK Travel patterns will likely change post Covid19 with more people working from home or working fewer days per week. With the X21 running every 15 minutes, a 10 minute frequency on the 21 would more than suffice.
Furthermore, the X21 PVR is indeed 12x vehicles.
- Durham boards = 4x (30 min freq 2 hour round trip)
- West Auckland boards = 8x (30 min freq 4 hour round trip)
(30 May 2020, 2:12 pm)L469 YVK Travel patterns will likely change post Covid19 with more people working from home or working fewer days per week. With the X21 running every 15 minutes, a 10 minute frequency on the 21 would more than suffice.
Furthermore, the X21 PVR is indeed 12x vehicles.
- Durham boards = 4x (30 min freq 2 hour round trip)
- West Auckland boards = 8x (30 min freq 4 hour round trip)
(28 May 2020, 7:27 pm)JP6004 MG stated that 9 of the new Streetdecks will be redeployed within Go Ahead. So only 37 DD arriving this year. First one going to Oxford in next few days.
Rest of DD due August with Yutongs in September
(30 May 2020, 3:56 pm)Michael Was 46, but now 9 to go elsewhere so we're receiving 37 + the 9 electrics - all around August.
Refurbishments too - although Martjin didn't confirm what was getting refurbished
(30 May 2020, 4:00 pm)streetdeckfan Actually, I don't think it was specified that all of those 9 would be StreetDecks, he just said the double decker order was reduced by 9. So unless it's been confirmed additionally that they're all StreetDecks then it's still speculation. And it was only mentioned that one would be going to Oxford for a trial, he said 'within the Go Ahead group'
I was thinking purely in terms of fuel economy and reliability though, am I right in thinking that the X21 would benefit from the newer vehicles over the likes of the X45/X46 with it running basically 10 miles of dual carriageway (A1 and A167).
Then again, that assumes that the newer vehicles are actually more efficient when not running start/stop
(28 May 2020, 7:27 pm)JP6004 MG stated that 9 of the new Streetdecks will be redeployed within Go Ahead. So only 37 DD arriving this year. First one going to Oxford in next few days.
Rest of DD due August with Yutongs in September
(30 May 2020, 3:56 pm)Michael Was 46, but now 9 to go elsewhere so we're receiving 37 + the 9 electrics - all around August.
Refurbishments too - although Martjin didn't confirm what was getting refurbished
(30 May 2020, 4:00 pm)streetdeckfan Actually, I don't think it was specified that all of those 9 would be StreetDecks, he just said the double decker order was reduced by 9. So unless it's been confirmed additionally that they're all StreetDecks then it's still speculation. And it was only mentioned that one would be going to Oxford for a trial, he said 'within the Go Ahead group'
I was thinking purely in terms of fuel economy and reliability though, am I right in thinking that the X21 would benefit from the newer vehicles over the likes of the X45/X46 with it running basically 10 miles of dual carriageway (A1 and A167).
Then again, that assumes that the newer vehicles are actually more efficient when not running start/stop
(30 May 2020, 4:18 pm)peter I was going off of this post the other day which said 9 Streetdecks would be redeployed, I haven't watched the video myself. It also states that the double decker order would be reduced to 37 - but this values also includes the E400MMCs for the X1 presumably. In any case, I've looked back and the original order was 28 Streetdecks for the X5/15/31/45/46/47/70/71, 2 for the X21 and 1 6 cylinder 7.7l Float/Trial vehicle.
To me this suggests that GNE will be getting 22 Streetdecks, for the X31/45/46/47/70/71, and 15 MMC's (14 for the X1 and 1 for the X30) as I can't see 9 of the MMCs for the X1 going elsewhere. Presumably the 1 bus going to Oxford on a trial will be the 6 cylinder Streetdeck, sorry for my misinterpretation that they would all be going to Oxford, but you get the point. At this point when the service is 1 double deck vehicle short of the PVR, I'd find it strange if they were to allocate 1 new vehicle to the X21, meaning they'd be 1 short for the Consett express services. Unless they made up the entire allocation of the X21 with new vehicles and transferred those currently on the X21 over and have a mixed allocation at Consett, which seems like a lot of work, but there again stranger things have happened.
(30 May 2020, 4:18 pm)peter I was going off of this post the other day which said 9 Streetdecks would be redeployed, I haven't watched the video myself. It also states that the double decker order would be reduced to 37 - but this values also includes the E400MMCs for the X1 presumably. In any case, I've looked back and the original order was 28 Streetdecks for the X5/15/31/45/46/47/70/71, 2 for the X21 and 1 6 cylinder 7.7l Float/Trial vehicle.
To me this suggests that GNE will be getting 22 Streetdecks, for the X31/45/46/47/70/71, and 15 MMC's (14 for the X1 and 1 for the X30) as I can't see 9 of the MMCs for the X1 going elsewhere. Presumably the 1 bus going to Oxford on a trial will be the 6 cylinder Streetdeck, sorry for my misinterpretation that they would all be going to Oxford, but you get the point. At this point when the service is 1 double deck vehicle short of the PVR, I'd find it strange if they were to allocate 1 new vehicle to the X21, meaning they'd be 1 short for the Consett express services. Unless they made up the entire allocation of the X21 with new vehicles and transferred those currently on the X21 over and have a mixed allocation at Consett, which seems like a lot of work, but there again stranger things have happened.
(30 May 2020, 4:35 pm)Michael He just mentioned 9 Streetdecks were heading elsewhere with still 37 arriving, the E400's still should be arriving - although, i could be wrong, and you could be right.
(30 May 2020, 4:35 pm)Michael He just mentioned 9 Streetdecks were heading elsewhere with still 37 arriving, the E400's still should be arriving - although, i could be wrong, and you could be right.
(30 May 2020, 2:25 pm)Michael If you read the changes from June, then its not...That will only be temporary. Perpaps if the X21 steps back up again, it may go to a 20 minute Newcastle - Durham frequency (PVR 10) with buses continuing to West Auckland on a 20/40 split. We'll probably have more of an idea by the end of the year / early next year what the longer term demand could look like.
X-lines X21 - Evening journeys reduced and the frequency between Newcastle and Durham will be revised to every 30 minutes., the whole X21 route is now running every 30 minutes - 240 minutes whole trip - PVR 8.
New timetable: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/image...st_Jun.pdf
(30 May 2020, 2:25 pm)Michael If you read the changes from June, then its not...That will only be temporary. Perpaps if the X21 steps back up again, it may go to a 20 minute Newcastle - Durham frequency (PVR 10) with buses continuing to West Auckland on a 20/40 split. We'll probably have more of an idea by the end of the year / early next year what the longer term demand could look like.
X-lines X21 - Evening journeys reduced and the frequency between Newcastle and Durham will be revised to every 30 minutes., the whole X21 route is now running every 30 minutes - 240 minutes whole trip - PVR 8.
New timetable: https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/image...st_Jun.pdf
(30 May 2020, 4:35 pm)Michael He just mentioned 9 Streetdecks were heading elsewhere with still 37 arriving, the E400's still should be arriving.
(30 May 2020, 4:39 pm)cbma06 Maybe Dan can clarify what’s still arriving and what not arriving, too much speculation on this thread
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(30 May 2020, 4:35 pm)Michael He just mentioned 9 Streetdecks were heading elsewhere with still 37 arriving, the E400's still should be arriving.
(30 May 2020, 4:39 pm)cbma06 Maybe Dan can clarify what’s still arriving and what not arriving, too much speculation on this thread
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(30 May 2020, 4:42 pm)L469 YVK That will only be temporary. Perpaps if the X21 steps back up again, it may go to a 20 minute Newcastle - Durham frequency (PVR 10) with buses continuing to West Auckland on a 20/40 split. We'll probably have more of an idea by the end of the year / early next year what the longer term demand could look like.
(30 May 2020, 4:42 pm)L469 YVK That will only be temporary. Perpaps if the X21 steps back up again, it may go to a 20 minute Newcastle - Durham frequency (PVR 10) with buses continuing to West Auckland on a 20/40 split. We'll probably have more of an idea by the end of the year / early next year what the longer term demand could look like.
(30 May 2020, 4:45 pm)peter But then where has this other order of Streetdecks come from? Cause originally there were only 31 for the Consett expresses, X21 and the 6-cylinder trial. Unless there was another order that I've missed out completely, we can't lose 9 from 31 and end up with 37! I'm under the impression that the "37" value refers to 37 double decks rather than 37 Streetdecks still due to arrive.
Is there anything wrong with speculation tho? If it's initiating some debate and conversation then I don't see a problem with people discussing what they think may happen with regards to future orders, transfers etc. I thought the whole point of the new forum set-up was to encourage more posting.
(30 May 2020, 4:45 pm)peter But then where has this other order of Streetdecks come from? Cause originally there were only 31 for the Consett expresses, X21 and the 6-cylinder trial. Unless there was another order that I've missed out completely, we can't lose 9 from 31 and end up with 37! I'm under the impression that the "37" value refers to 37 double decks rather than 37 Streetdecks still due to arrive.
Is there anything wrong with speculation tho? If it's initiating some debate and conversation then I don't see a problem with people discussing what they think may happen with regards to future orders, transfers etc. I thought the whole point of the new forum set-up was to encourage more posting.
